9/11 What Really Happened?

[phosphor]

I smell a narc.

Quit with your reality speculating bullshit.

"How could build 7 NOT collapse in on itself?"
Wtf you idiot.

It was supposedly hit by debris and that caused a fire and that caused the entire building to collapse and Free Fall?

Yea right.

I don't remember the last time steel pillars melted from a fire over a period of minutes...Do you?

The building fell. The burden of proof is on whoever you believe in your conspiracy cult.

Btw, here's a snippet for you to ignore, because this is factual information - not dreamt in the land of unicorns and dragons.

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Sit down before you get a spanking, son.

 

[PainandGain]

The building fell. The burden of proof is on whoever you believe in your conspiracy cult.

Btw, here's a snippet for you to ignore, because this is factual information - not dreamt in the land of unicorns and dragons.

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength???and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Sit down before you get a spanking, son.

So now your point, per the article, is that the Steel beams, Bent.
They bent. Okay.

So they all bent in perfect harmony which allowed the entire building to fall straight down in less than 10 seconds, all at once?

Good logic.

 

[phosphor]

It is. It's called gravity. It's all around you. Try it off a cliff and let me know how it goes.

It wasn't perfect harmony when it happened. Check the 9/11 footage of the collapse.

Ofcoarse why should you really bother. You wouldn't want reality getting in the way of a good story.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Good luck with that.

When people get it into their heads that anything they hear from the government or a scientist is part of "the cover-up", you're not going to get through. They're only looking for gibberish that fits their already established belief that there is a conspiracy afoot. They're not looking for facts.

It's called a conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy fact.

I dislike the whole "conspiracy theory" label. Wanting to know the truth about such an event doesn't label you a conspiracy theorist. To not ask questions makes you a gullible fool.

 

[custom]

The building fell. The burden of proof is on whoever you believe in your conspiracy cult.

Btw, here's a snippet for you to ignore, because this is factual information - not dreamt in the land of unicorns and dragons.

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength???and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Sit down before you get a spanking, son.

Lets not forget half of the support beams were taken out by the aircraft on those floors.

 

[DOMS]

I dislike the whole "conspiracy theory" label. Wanting to know the truth about such an event doesn't label you a conspiracy theorist. To not ask questions makes you a gullible fool.

When an issue has been looked into by a great many credible people and a smaller group says "But, they're just trying to cover it up!" and they can't find a smoking gun after a decade, it is just a conspiracy theory.

There's being doubtful and then there's just not playing with reality.

 

[klc9100]

Of all the posts I make, you decide to pick on a grammar mistake. Try to sound intelligent? Your an internet killjoy and you need to fuck off, dork.

it was a juke you fucking faggot. get over yourself.

 

[oufinny]

I don't know about phosphor, but I have looked into the evidence. There is nothing concrete about any of it. It's crap.

They said the same thing about Pearle Harbor.

Sometimes the government really is doing something underhanded, but other times it's just mentally insecure people trying to fill an internal need.

There was a very good show that basically put the highlights of the 9/11 commission onto video with those involved. Yes, a lot of the information was known but the Federal agencies AT THE TIME were not talking to each other... at all. The attitude of sharing information did not happen until the Patriot Act circa 2002-2003 (can't remember when it originally was voted into law).

It is one thing to know fragmented facts and AFTER THE FACT to see the pieces of the puzzle clearly, it is very different to actually understand prior to something happening and see the whole picture. Could 9/11 have been prevented, maybe, is the government into killing thousands and destroying federal buildings and beacons of free trade... uh no. Give good ol' GW's book Decision Points a read, you might learn something.

You ever watch the show 24, you see how information slowly comes available and many times it is misinterpreted? That is a pretty clear picture of the challenge people in the intelligence community face, we just don't have the all mighty Jack Bauer to save the day.

 

[BillHicksFan]

When an issue has been looked into by a great many credible people and a smaller group says "But, they're just trying to cover it up!" and they can't find a smoking gun after a decade, it is just a conspiracy theory.

There's being doubtful and then there's just not playing with reality.

So where are you getting your information from?

 

[DOMS]

So where are you getting your information from?

All over the place. I've read a couple of books, went to many, many websites, and watched videos online. From both sides of the fence.

Almost all of the pro-conspiracy stuff worked out to, "This isn't properly explained" or "They're holding back information that would vindicate us!"

The anti-conspiracy side usually worked out to, "This is how something works and here the facts."

Most of the pro stuff really centers around dismissing the facts because it doesn't fit their already assumed conclusion.

I've read and I've read, but that's what it always comes down to.