9/11 What Really Happened?

[phosphor]

Have you looked into the evidence that support these claims or are you simply dismissing the idea of a corrupted Goverment having prior knowledge that these attacks were being planned?

You're right in saying that there are plenty of whackjobs who will spin any old bullshit story but there is substance in too many of these claims. Enough to justify an independant investigation that's for sure.

I used to get offended by these conspiracy theorists as I was nearly blown up in the Bali bombings. I know the Muslims want us dead however after looking at the evidence it does seem that the US had prior knowledge of the attacks and intentionally allowed them to happen to support their agenda.
I'm not American, I just want to know what you guys think about the whole scenario.

It seems that at least on this forum the Government's version is the accepted truth and it strikes me as odd.

What evidence. Where are you getting your information. What do they deem as 'evidence'. The burden of proof is laid on the conspiracy theorists and since you signed up and defend those theories, either give us the info or stop making vague statements.

 

[klc9100]

we have a corrupt government folks. have you ever heard of the gulf of tompkin incident? in 1964, the US falsely claimed our ships had been attacked by three north vietnamese torpedo boats in the gulf. we used that as a reason to escelate the vietnam war.

 

[DOMS]

we have a corrupt government folks. have you ever heard of the gulf of tompkin incident? in 1964, the US falsely claimed our ships had been attacked by three north vietnamese torpedo boats in the gulf. we used that as a reason to escelate the vietnam war.

Lying about being torpedoed isn't the same as letting an attack kill 3000 people.

 

[Diesel618]

I thought the government killed Kennedy so we could escalate the war in Vietnam. lolz

 

[phosphor]

Regarding this thread and it's supporters of whackjob theories.

 

[donkc29]

 

[maxpro2]

Surprised that no one mentioned the presence of thermite yet.

 

[Diesel618]

the thermite theory is one of the worst ones. All truthers can come up with is that the government has access to super thermite that can do things that regular thermite can't.

 

[BillHicksFan]

I'm looking into it from all perspectives. There is a lot bullshit to dismiss on both sides of the argument. Like I said I have no idea what really happened and none of us probably ever will. It would give the Government some credibility if they released the videos of the apparent plane hittng the Pentagon. They confiscated the footage and never released it.

 

[DOMS]

I'm looking into it from all perspectives. There is a lot bullshit to dismiss on both sides of the argument. Like I said I have no idea what really happened and none of us probably ever will. It would give the Government some credibility if they released the videos of the apparent plane hittng the Pentagon. They confiscated the footage and never released it.

Bullshit on both sides? My side says that a small group of Arabs learned how to fly, took over several airplanes, and then rammed them into buildings. Why are the particulars such a mystery to you?

As for the pentagon footage, it's a secure installation. You don't hand out any videos of secure installations. That should go without having to be said, but...

 

[BillHicksFan]

As for the pentagon footage, it's a secure installation. You don't hand out any videos of secure installations. That should go without having to be said, but...

Type in "Pentagon" on youtube and see how many videos you see of this secure installation.

They show one explosion, no plane. This contradicts your breach of security theory.

 

[DOMS]

Type in "Pentagon" on youtube and see how many videos you see of this secure installation.

They show one explosion, no plane. This contradicts your breach of security theory.

Those were videos from people other than the government.

And they did release a video that doesn't compromise anything.

But, sure, why not? You're right.

Flight 77 didn't really crash into the Pentagon. It was faked using an explosion. What they really did was put all 187 of the passengers, and the plane, into a boat with Fredo, never to be seen again.

Whatever.

 

[blazeftp]

You guys are all wrong.
It was this guy

He got a few friends to hijack a plane and crash it into the twin towers which where filled with explosives.
If the US Government did wingmen the would be the best wingmen in the world.

The Pentagon....that was a ......plane which was going so fast.....the wings and luggage melted....

 

[ROID]

I'll call Osama tonight and get to the bottom of this.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Those were videos from people other than the government.

The videos that they confiscated within minutes were from a gas station and a hotel. These are videos from people other than the goverment. I'm not making claims here, I'm just sayin'.
With all the controversy that surrounds the topic you would think that they would release these videos, after all they were never a threat to security to begin with otherwise the cameras would not have been there in the first place.

 

[phosphor]

I love when people get smarmy with the 9/11 comments (not you, Bill). Their there, sitting in front of their tv eating cheetos, watching Fairenheit 9/11, jacking off and huffing paint. How about this, you wern't there in the aftermath, like 99.9999% of others, and there were plane remnants. Spewing BS out and seeing if any sticks doesn't convince a person using common sense, logic and being grounded in reality.

Yes, sometimes there are legitimate 'conspiracy' theories - but just theories. Imagination runs wild. Life, in reality, is much more plain and dull mostly and I just guess some want to spice it up.

 

[maxpro2]

the thermite theory is one of the worst ones. All truthers can come up with is that the government has access to super thermite that can do things that regular thermite can't.

It's actually the most credible, in my opinion. Scientists who analyzed samples from Ground Zero can prove the presence of thermite. What they can't prove, and why science is superior to all these speculative theories, is where the thermite came from.

Where one crazy conspiracy theorist will say, "It is clear that the United States developed an advanced grade of thermite and planted it in the Towers," a scientist will say, "Thermite was detected, and there should be an investigation to determine where it came from." We simply do not know.

 

[BillHicksFan]

This documentary is interesting. The filmaker brings up valid points.

YouTube Video

 

[juggernaut]

lol, no I named it blowjob

 

[juggernaut]

It's actually the most credible, in my opinion. Scientists who analyzed samples from Ground Zero can prove the presence of thermite. What they can't prove, and why science is superior to all these speculative theories, is where the thermite came from.

Where one crazy conspiracy theorist will say, "It is clear that the United States developed an advanced grade of thermite and planted it in the Towers," a scientist will say, "Thermite was detected, and there should be an investigation to determine where it came from." We simply do not know.

this

 

[phosphor]

They might be better suited in the theory of dark matter and dark enegy. So, what they are saying is that they can determine what was used in an explosion based soley on seismic graphs. Just because I don't read seismic activity on a daily basis, doesn't mean I cannot process these claims with simple logic. Like they have tons of data related to planes colliding into skyscrapers to see the difference. I call bullshit.

Based on 9/11'ers ability to believe anything, the inability to process simple logic and the knowing nothing AND leaving it in the hands of an perceived 'expert' (that could or could not have bias) - you get garbage in, garbage out. You can believe all the THEORIES you want, true believers, but I like cold hard facts. I leave my fantasy world in games and books.

 

[BillHicksFan]

They might be better suited in the theory of dark matter and dark enegy. So, what they are saying is that they can determine what was used in an explosion based soley on seismic graphs. Just because I don't read seismic activity on a daily basis, doesn't mean I cannot process these claims with simple logic. Like they have tons of data related to planes colliding into skyscrapers to see the difference. I call bullshit.

Based on 9/11'ers ability to believe anything, the inability to process simple logic and the knowing nothing AND leaving it in the hands of an perceived 'expert' (that could or could not have bias) - you get garbage in, garbage out. You can believe all the THEORIES you want, true believers, but I like cold hard facts. I leave my fantasy world in games and books.

We don't have any experience with planes hitting skyscrapers however there is plenty of plane wreckage pics on the ground and you won't find one single crash site that resembles Shankville. How did building 7 collapse by itself? Where was the wreckage at Shanksville? Is it logical that the blackboxes were destroyed yet they found the pilot's passport amongst the rubble at ground zero? How did passangers manage to make calls from their cell phones at cruising alltitude during a time where this was extremely unlikely? The list goes on.

I'm not leaning towards any conclusion however these questions need to be answered in a proper investigation.

 

[phosphor]

Right, but most jump right to an end conclusion based on complete unknowns. I take exception to that. A wallet was found and blackboxes were damaged - it was a crash of epic proportions and it was chaotic. How could building 7 NOT collapse in on itself. Anything can and will happen. Unfortunately, based on the factors involved, most of the questions will forever be unaswered. I say unfortunately because for the next 30 years we will have so-called experts shitting out theories and zombie followers eating it.

Lets face it, reality is boring. Work 9 to 5. Take a shower. Have an occasional vacation. Raise kids. Daily routines. I'm happy with boring if it means excitement is believing in theories and the unproven as fact. I live in reality.

Some peoples understanding of the word 'investigation' translates into believing theories. Proper investigators combed everything found many answers and was disclosed - some were left unknown. That's the way it goes when 2 syscrapers collapse from planes hit them.

 

[klc9100]

I love when people get smarmy with the 9/11 comments (not you, Bill). Their there, sitting in front of their tv eating cheetos, watching Fairenheit 9/11, jacking off and huffing paint. How about this, you wern't there in the aftermath, like 99.9999% of others, and there were plane remnants. Spewing BS out and seeing if any sticks doesn't convince a person using common sense, logic and being grounded in reality.

Yes, sometimes there are legitimate 'conspiracy' theories - but just theories. Imagination runs wild. Life, in reality, is much more plain and dull mostly and I just guess some want to spice it up.

i know what you mean. i also love when people try to sound all intelligent and shit but use incorrect grammar. shouldn't that be "they're"??

 

[PainandGain]

Right, but most jump right to an end conclusion based on complete unknowns. I take exception to that. A wallet was found and blackboxes were damaged - it was a crash of epic proportions and it was chaotic. How could building 7 NOT collapse in on itself. Anything can and will happen. Unfortunately, based on the factors involved, most of the questions will forever be unaswered. I say unfortunately because for the next 30 years we will have so-called experts shitting out theories and zombie followers eating it.

Lets face it, reality is boring. Work 9 to 5. Take a shower. Have an occasional vacation. Raise kids. Daily routines. I'm happy with boring if it means excitement is believing in theories and the unproven as fact. I live in reality.

Some peoples understanding of the word 'investigation' translates into believing theories. Proper investigators combed everything found many answers and was disclosed - some were left unknown. That's the way it goes when 2 syscrapers collapse from planes hit them.

I smell a narc.

Quit with your reality speculating bullshit.

"How could build 7 NOT collapse in on itself?"
Wtf you idiot.

It was supposedly hit by debris and that caused a fire and that caused the entire building to collapse and Free Fall?

Yea right.

I don't remember the last time steel pillars melted from a fire over a period of minutes...Do you?

 

[ALBOB]

we have a corrupt government folks. have you ever heard of the gulf of tompkin incident? in 1964, the US falsely claimed our ships had been attacked by three north vietnamese torpedo boats in the gulf. we used that as a reason to escelate the vietnam war.

Nope, never heard of that particular gulf. Is it anywhere near the Gulf of Tonkin?

 

[DOMS]

this

Have fun.

 

[DOMS]

Right, but most jump right to an end conclusion based on complete unknowns. I take exception to that. A wallet was found and blackboxes were damaged - it was a crash of epic proportions and it was chaotic. How could building 7 NOT collapse in on itself. Anything can and will happen. Unfortunately, based on the factors involved, most of the questions will forever be unaswered. I say unfortunately because for the next 30 years we will have so-called experts shitting out theories and zombie followers eating it.

Lets face it, reality is boring. Work 9 to 5. Take a shower. Have an occasional vacation. Raise kids. Daily routines. I'm happy with boring if it means excitement is believing in theories and the unproven as fact. I live in reality.

Some peoples understanding of the word 'investigation' translates into believing theories. Proper investigators combed everything found many answers and was disclosed - some were left unknown. That's the way it goes when 2 syscrapers collapse from planes hit them.

Good luck with that.

When people get it into their heads that anything they hear from the government or a scientist is part of "the cover-up", you're not going to get through. They're only looking for gibberish that fits their already established belief that there is a conspiracy afoot. They're not looking for facts.

It's called a conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy fact.

 

[DOMS]

I know what you mean. I also love when people try to sound all intelligent and shit, but use incorrect grammar. Shouldn't that be, "they're"??

B- for lamness filter

 

[phosphor]

i know what you mean. i also love when people try to sound all intelligent and shit but use incorrect grammar. shouldn't that be "they're"??

Of all the posts I make, you decide to pick on a grammar mistake. Try to sound intelligent? Your an internet killjoy and you need to fuck off, dork.