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All water based gear is prone to bacteria ...Thats just the way it is .... WP gear at least the few things I have used was top quality and as far as the price goes he has ALWAYS helped me thru pm's with the price . I would be confident ordering everything on WP's list .
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Is this seriously the argument you're putting foreward? Basing AP's qaulity on your perception of its popularity? The quality of Asia Pharma products aren't in question, but what is in question is the knowledge of the typical consumer, which is perfectly illustrated in your post and why I wrote this short informational article.
Besides, WP sells many more brands than just AP. They carry a wide variety of pharmaceutical products from all over the world.
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I have gone through half dozen vials of AP's winstrol...with zero problems....best winstrol I have ever used...and since I have known WP, I have never heard of anyone say anything like this. Even if you are telling the truth, there is more than one way to get an infection. Few guys follow sterile injection practices--they don't clean the vial tops, don't use alcohol swabs on the injection site, etc. ANY of these things and more can cause an infection, which is why all medical professionals ALWAYS go through a specific process before administering an injection. Maybe one guy out of 100 does this stuff (probably less)...and I doubt you are one of them.
What I find highly ironic is that you are now bashing a company which is well known to be at the top of the heap, yet you are currently repping for a company which, after testing multiple raws for multiple products and recieving poor results, sold them to hs customers anyway!!!! Or, what about the half-dozen pharm-grade fakes he quickly pulled from his site when everyone finally realized they were being scammed? What about D-bol being sold as T-bol? What about refusing to reimburse multiple unrelated customer's who recieved severely under-dosed pharm-grade products...which as it turns out, were not pharm-grade at all, but 100% fake? Or, what your company's refusal to pay nearly all of his reps for between 3-6 months, nearly all of whom quit after realizing he was knowingly selling many bogus and fake products. NONE of these people were ever paid for all those months of work...and even worse is that it was these people who BUILT his business! He was dead in the water when he made his comeback under a new name (because no one would buy from him using the old name anymore), so after assembling some of the BEST and most respected mods & admins on the boards to work for him, he FUCKED them all over!!! He wouldn't have made a penny without all of us...he was starting back out as a no-name company...and we built his business from the ground up...from nothing. To treat your employees like that after all they did for you...WTF is that? Even after all of this, none of us went on the boards bashing him...a couple things were said, but it was mostly contained, simply because we didn't want to play that way---we could've brought that fuckiing business down to ashes...and guess what, you're one of the few guys who continued working there even after you knew everything that was going on. Anyone with any credibility left...because they could not support a business that was running that way. Apparently, you don't have a problem supporting business like that, but you will bash a company which runs motherfucking miles around your company in every concievable way.
OIhh, by the way, I still have a bunch ofgear sitting around which was stored up from working there...and most of it has been sitting there for quite some time. A couple weeks ago I went to see what I still had left the other day...and I noticed that 4 vials of tren had white, cum looking shit floating at the bottom of the vial. This is not the first time I have seen this in his tren products...and i have hearc other people say the same exact thing. Needless to say, they all went in the trashcan.
So, how can you rip on a compoany which everyone acknowledges to be top of the line, yet suppport a company with 1/100thy the reliability? It realy irks me when I see this kind of shit....other reps attacking other UGL's, especially when their company has a mile long history of quality control issues. I have used a ton of AP and WP stuff in general...and I have never had a single issue...and all of it has been awesome. There are also other respected people in this very thread...people with years or maybe even decades of experience, saying the same thing, but all you have to say is something negative. Normally, I wouldn't even have cared (after all, complaints about WP's quality are basically non-existent on every board), but to do so when you work for a company which has previously demonstrated significant qaulity control issues---that blows my mind.
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Yea but wasn't you just working with Psl? Yes I had bad experience but you notice I only bashed One of his product and it's winny??? Now your putting euro one front line but you made article how good we are? And plus made good reviews ? I even pm wp and told him yea it was Just that one product! And repeated on here and said there gtg? Now am doing a log with z but don't get it twisted if it fails I put it on blast!!!! And with any sponsors here. I feel ALL Members here should know the truth!! Look how many time when I was with wp got bashed about his gear so many fools talk there Shit just Google chino wp and I defended him even before this article And your future articles. I respect you 150% I bashed one and I let tge truth be known and bet your ass if z is wrong I will put it on blasted I help members here and others recover there product and if you have shity product like cum return it. It could happen to any company. Look at the list of companies that happened too. Complaine get your product the was owed to you. That said I respect you and you don't need to respect me. But wp is gtg I had a bad experience with his winny and I never got Shit back so have a good day mike will be reading your articles
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Mike cum really.
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Do you know how EASY it is to get an infection with water based steroid like Winstrol? As soon as you crack the vial and pierce the top, if even the smallest bit of bacteria gets in that vial because of less than perfect sterilization habits, bacteria will flourish and could easily cause an ingection. Even re-using the same drawing pin with water-based steroids is s bad idea. Water-based drugs cannot be treated like oil-based products necause bacteria grows very eaisly in a water-based environment, but not so easily in oil. This is why so many more people get infections with water-based products compared to oils, even when using U.S. script winny.
If you treated your winny the same way most people treat their oils, you could easily get an infection. I requently re-use my drawing pin for oil-based gear...sometimes 30-40 times. I just make sure the pin never touches anything other than the rubber stopper and the back of the syringe I am back-loading. I also never clean the rubber stopper with oil-based gear...and I never use alcohol to sterilize the injection site prior to inhjecting, BUT...when I use water-based gear, I do ALL those things because I don't want to get an infection.
Did you know that with water-based gear, bacteria begins to proliferate as soon as you draw from the vial, even when doing everything proplery? The same thing happens in oil, but because bacteria grows so slow oil, it never reaches high enough levels to cause an infection...usually. With water-based gear, once you draw from it, you can get in infection simply because you let your gear sit around too long before using it! That's why people say not to use water-based gear that has been opened for a couple months....because if it sits for too long, bactria will eventually reach high enough levels to cause an infection, even if you do everything right.
If what WP says is accurate and you were re-using pins to inject with...that is just asking for an infection with water-based gear. That is about the worst thing you could do. I would EXPECT an infection with water-based gear when re-using pins. I find it very unprofressional of you to bash a company over a singular experience like this, especially with a water-based product. We will never know if you re-used pins, what safety measures you took, etc, but it is more likely than not that you made mistakes in more than one area...and possibly on major ones...simply because most people do when using water-based gear. Most people treat it just like oil-based gear, but you can't...not if you want to muniize your chances of an infection.
Let me tell you a quick personal experience with me and AP winny. I never posted this before because it just wasn't necessary, but I will say it now because it fits perfectly. After I had used a coupole vials of Ap winny with great results, I got a minor infection on the 3rd or 4th vial I used. I got this infection the 1st time I drew from the vial. I used no safety measures...I did not sterilize the rubber stopper or the injection site, but I was still thinking it might be a dirty vial. I was very hesitant to try another injection after what happend the 1st time, but a couple weeks later I decideds to try. This time I used every safety measure in the book. I ended up using the entire vial with no problems whatsoever. You know what that means? It means there never was any bacteria in the vial. Otherwise, it would have worked its way throughout the entire solution, not remain limited only to the qauntity of oil in my 1st pin. From that point forward I never went back to my old habits. Now I do everything I am suppoosed to when using water-based gear.
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Watch my ass get banned because I feel members should know the truth regless who I rep I will put it out there.
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Fuck, someone take chinos keyboard away.
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I understand mike maybe it was the product maybe it was me. But I always take clean steps. Maybe I failed to do something wrong maybe. But it's my experience and I told it not a mod am not gettin free product am only speaking what I want thro all his product repeatly alwsome halo best I ever had and comeing from a rep from a another company.
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They're not and never have been. It is impossible because they don't sell U.S made drugs...no one does other than U.S. pharmacies. If you read the article, I clearly explain what all this means. You would do well to read it.
The FDA is only relevant in the U.S. Every other nation/group of nations has their own drug regulation agency (FDA in the U.S., EMA in Europe, etc) which approves or rejects drugs for human use. Now, most nations use GMP's, as well, but they are completely different from the agency which approves or rejects drugs for human use. GMP's are responsible for ensuring product quality. Basically, GMP's are quality control measures. So, each nation has its own version of the FDA, which approves or rejects drugs for human use...and also its own GMP's which are implemented during the production process after the drugs have been apporoved for use.
For example, many pharm-grade steroids are made in India, but they were would never be FDA approved because they aren't made in the U.S. They will be approved by their own drug regulation agency...and then after they are approved, they are subjected to GMP's during the production process, to gaurantee purity & potency.
So, it is not FDA approval that matters...because FDA approvela has nothing to do witha drug's quality. The FDA only says which drugs can be used in the U.S...and then the GMP's are resposible for making sure the drugs are pure & potent. In addition, there aremany steroids that BB'rs use all the time, which have been rejected by the FDA, but approved for use in other countries. For example, the U.S. has rejected trenbolone for human use, but it has been apporoved for human use in France for decades (and other countries). Does this mean no BB'rs should use tren because it is not FDA approved? Of course not, so therefore, FDA approval doesn't really mean shit. The important thing is that the drugs you use, wherever they come from, have been manufactured under GMP guidelines because it is this which ensures product quality.
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Please, read the article...all these questions are directly answered there. But, I will appease you here. As far as product qaulity goes, yes, GMP means everything. Drug regulation agencies, such as the FDA, are not responsible for ensuring product qaulity. That's what GMP's are for. The U.S and most other nations all employ GMP guidelines as a means of ensuirng product qaulity during production. GMP's govern drug production...to make sure they are made properly. Drug regulation agencies, such as the FDA, EMA, etc...determine whether or not a drug is approved for human use in their nation. Understand?
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Thanks for all who like my prods!
dear guy...FDA is not only in USA,you got also Europe FDA and Asia,etc..
I think the way you word thing sometimes--it throws people off. I know what you mean, but when you say FDA, the posters think "U.S. FDA", as in the U.S drug regulation agency. As you know, each nation has its own version of the FDA, but it is not caled the FDA in other nations. For example, it is called the EMA in Europe. So, if you say your stuff is FDA approved, they think you are saying it is actually approved by the US FDA, when in reality, the only drugs approved by the U.S. FDA are U.S. drugs.
Mow, there might be a drug that the U.S FDA approved for human use...and 50 other countries might have approved the same drug through their own drug regulation agency, but the approvals in those other countries have nothing to do with the FDA.
So, the FDA doesn't really matter...or I should say it only matter with U.S drugs. What maters is that the drugs we buy are both approved by the nations' drug regularion agency...and were subjected to GMP guidelines during the production process. I know what you are trying to say when you say FDA approved, but I think a lot of guys misunderstand you and because of that, they think you are lying to them.
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Mike we both know the product is good z haved his problems let's not go no father with everyone ideas. Because this will just will be a never ending fight try wp or uncle gear and let people judge it. I respect you wp I had a bad excprice once. but that's me. The next man feelings is another.
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Sorry if I came of harsh...it just rubbed me the wrong way when I saw you promoting PSL, but knocking WP. Don't you know everything that happend with PSL? Yes, I worked for PSL...and things were good...for a while, but when things went bad...they went bad. Product wents from good to poor, comunication went from good to nearly non-existent...reps weren't being paid for 3-5 months at a time...and most were still never paid. The bad part is that all of this was known about by PSL. No UGL is going to be perfect...we all get that, but when a company's ethical standards begin to take a nosedive, that's where I draw the line.
Anyway, you're alright by me. Maybe you were one of the very few who were in the dark about what was going on with PSL. If so, I can't fault you for something you didn't know.
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Understand mike things happen. I respect you.
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Buddy, I can't say what is going on with PSL now...maybe things have turned around...I don't know, but you appearantly don't know the whole story. When I left, many products were NOT good...or fake. That is a fact. Like I said, my intention wasn't to knock on PSL, so we should just stop now. Z was my friend...and I think it is sad that things worked out this way, but it sure as hell wasn't my fault. This entire subject is probably one best left alone. I have moved on.
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Chino, did you get an infection on your first inject?
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Don't remember.
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It happen I think 2011
Yes you're right I did not read the whole article at first and that is my fault. Clearly commenting on something you haven't fully read is stupid.. I seriously am sorry.
But you still haven't indicated whom the agency is that is enforcing GMP standard apon asia pharma... again its not the US.
I am really asking?
[h=1]Asia-Pacific[/h]FDA?s activities in the Asia and Pacific region include engaging with foreign regulatory counterparts on all products over which FDA has regulatory responsibility. This includes managing the sharing of non-public information and addressing regulatory compliance issues, some of which have a global impact. FDA?s activities and sharing of technical expertise with its foreign regulatory counterparts enhances a country?s ability to produce safe and effective foods and medical products and provide exports that meet the FDA standard. Information sharing and capacity building activities help the foreign country to enhance its regulatory infrastructure, safeguard the health of its citizens and contribute to global health. Coordination of technical assistance that results from specific arrangements with countries in Asia and the Pacific are also a part of FDA?s activities and they include regional economic communities such as the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and bilateral activities with Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore, international conferences, and important training regarding clinical trials, pharmacovigilance, seafood safety, medical device reviews, drug approvals, and risk communications. FDA?s strengthening of regulatory systems in these regions allows it to fulfill its mandate of consumer protection for Americans.
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I was curious if it was from injecting in the same spot where you were injecting oil based gear.
I'm sorry I must be missing it whom is the governing body that regulates asia pharmas GMP standards?
From what I'm reading it sounds like anybody that follows the guide lines is GMP right?
I really am lost.
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