A Closer Look at World Pharma

[Mike Arnold]

Reported? Where, I didn't see a thread started saying anything about what was happening. The only reason most people knew something was going down was because reps were jumping ship and people like yourself who used to pimp his products were no longer doing that.


Other sponsors have been removed even quicker for doing far less harmful things..

It was reported to the owner & admin.

 

[GH Consigliere]

Yea but a lot of sponsors has issues but do you pull them every time there a issue? If you don't like them there a lot more to chose from. Take the proper Steps to make your Complaine Are met. I had only one issue that was wp winny. But I also said clearly all other are gtg. If you find a issue with z product bring it to a rep to fix it. And am sure it will be fix. No sponsor here are perfect ugl or even real "prama " as there issues.

 

[murf23]

I dont consider knowingly selling fake gear an issue ^^^^^

 

[GH Consigliere]

That's a issue but has those vails been pulled?

 

[murf23]

Alright, I just don't understand why he's still a sponsor here. How come nobody said anything publicly anyways, aren't mods here to look after the community?

I would say the community is here to look after the community thats it . IMO

 

[GH Consigliere]

Oh I understand

 

[SheriV]

man I've really been biting my tongue in this thread (holding my fingers?)

so I'm only going to say this. I will ONLY vouch for a sponsors stuff if myself my husband or a buddy of mine I send gear to uses it...and only that product that was used
or a trusted couple of members here that have always been straight up with me vouch for something.

the reps/mod thing came up briefly on ASF...I don't think the mods are chosen lightly and I think all of the mods know they can be de-modded for bad behavior.

I can say that nothing I got from PSL had anything nasty or growing in it but two things I got were veery suspect to me after using them and the bite to the oils is unbelievable but I don't have labs to back anything up so I don't slander the source.
I put up with no pay and really bad communication for a bit but I won't back a source that has too many problems. one bad batch is one thing a bunch of "bad batches" is another.

that said...everyone wants to flame WP for GMP/FDA...whatever-flameon...every damned thing that's been sent to me from WP has been very very nice quality,packaging, shipping, ta
I would seriously wonder if someone had a complaint what was really going on...even Chino says he has a one time incident with the gear and I think everyone in this thread knows it could be any number of things not related to the gear
you don't like how its worded?? then don't buy it.

how many sources send you gear with blister packs? or safety sealed bottles? or package inserts with a full ingredient breakdown? cmon

cut the shit guys

 

[murf23]

WP will always get flamed it seems . I dont know how this thread went from WP to where it is now but as far as WP goes the guy stands behind every single product he sells and NEVER EVER hides from controversy or threads made against him . I for 1 respect that and that is why I 1st tried his gear a few years ago and continue to do so today now knowing his gear is always what he claimed it to be . As far as this other drama goes I wish it was in its own thread cause if people like myself and others wanna continue the discussion then there is no problem with that at all . In fact i liked the second topic better > Its alot more interesting

 

[heavyiron]

I will say this, I only use a very few shops these days because I'm tired of the killer products for 6 months then the major malfunctions so many places seem to go through. I personally have pinned 100% fake stuff from current sponsors but they made it right in the end not only to me but to the others. On several occasions it was my prompting that made the corrections happen. I appreciate that but like I said I'm tired of the ups and downs some of these shops keep having. At this point I only use a couple advertisers on this board. Today I pinned WP and AY. There are CLEARLY other very good shops here but unless they have been around for quite a while with a great track record then its a gamble. Z was very good to me years ago but he also had some serious errors and they seem to keep happening over and over.

Anyway, I highly doubt WP is FDA approved anywhere on this planet but the prods are good.

I'm going to allow ANY opinion or experience to be posted here in this thread as long as its respectful and factually based. I think this is a good opportunity for the membership to post what is on their minds.

 

[SheriV]

I agree with well...all of that

I used z yrs back and it was gtg but then everyone knows of the crash and burn and revival..shit seemed good then it went to hell.
I won't speak for Jimmy but I can speak for myself that we went to blueprint because we liked what we saw, tried it ourselves ad thought we could help make this shop happen as the new kid on the block....so far so good and I hope it continues. If it doesn't I'll rat em out myself.

I can also say that every mod here I've talked to has been very up front with me about various shops and really..its not that hard to figure whos gtg and who isn't...read their forums and really dig.

 

[World-Pharma.org]

Thanks again to all who trust in my shop and use my prods,i always always ale only good gmp prods..you don't need to worry at all!

 

[l69lou]

It seems every few months we have one of these threads about WP and the AP and BD line . The controversy goes on and on about FDA approval and GMP standards and I don't think most of the membership knows what to believe anymore . Add to that the fact that these companies operate in the shadows and it never is a black and white issue like we would like it to be . The bottom line is AP and now BD are very good products . I don't think anyone really argues with that . I have used AP and like it and would again . My beef is the claim that everyone else and especially any UGL is contaminated , bunk garbage when we know it is not true . If I were WP I would let the products speak for themselves , we all know they are very good , and stop putting everyone else down and most of this continueing controversy would end .

 

[Grozny]

it seems like protecting sponsors is more important than anything else. This board is losing so much credibility. And every other thread is a "world pharma is great" thread. And don't anyone dare tell the truth about bad experiences or you will be flamed and/or banned. And mike arnold, i really enjoy reading your articles and you are good at what you do. But, jumping from source to source aint a good look. You vouching for a product used to mean something. Now it seems you are just in it for the freebies or whatever comp you receive.

bump !!!

 

[malk]

Thanks for all guys who trust in my shop and products i sale in my shop..i always always sale only GMP prods! never any UGL!

you should stock alpha pharma mate,another posh ugl from Mumbai.

 

[Grozny]

I'm clearly not a WP backer but I would assume just cause you have a license in your own country does not mean that that licence is universal to all countries. For instance he does not have US FDA approval.... But I believe they said he is working on approval in europe. not sure how this license is affected by selling to non scripted patients but that is another question.

"World Pharma is a licensed distributer of anabolic steroids and other pharmaceutical-grade medications." Mike Arnold



Can u let me know in which country they have a license to sell legally aas any infos on this, imo most sad story is that these infos come from mod that need to be impartial and objective. I have been supporting WP for decades but come on this is too much, each day we are reading those low quality articles.

 

[CooperT]

Heavy,and others, let me ask a question i have been wanting to ask you for awhile now, its nothing towards you, but i want your opinion on it and i think others will appreciate the question.

All hypothetical of course, we will call the lab CLab (CooperLab)
CLab has a good ssteady customer base for last year or so on IML. with a few issue here and there.

Ok we have a customer Joe Dirt, a member of IML, been part of the online community for 2-3 yrs

Joe Dirt Gets some test e from Clab, Runs it 750 mg for 4 wks , then has blood work done, comes back with a low score of say 550.

He contacts the rep who says to Joe , your a low responder, your a scammer, your trying to make me look bad, etc. but to keep it all quiet CLab agrees to send him some replacement test, specifically some known to them properly if maybe even overdosed gear to make sure Joe is kept quiet.

Joe , not one to go full blast over this, takes the gear runs it, and his next blood panel is 3300, great all is well, he is happy this time. Clab is happy because they did not get blasted for having underdosed gear, and continues business as usual, cutting a few corners with powder, maybe making sure the ones that they know will do panels get some of the special sauce that is dosed perfect.(ie, mods and reps)

Now, here is the kicker, no one knows what happened, they guys who bought gear at the same time as Joe, whether a bad batch, or underdosed batch, or weak powders, etc are all in the dark because Joe didnt go on the forums and blast the hell out of Clabs for underdosed gear, the other customers think they have some good gear because this rep, and this mod ,and these old members said all was good on the gear they received (free probably) , and will protect Clab when the next Joe makes a public claim of fraud.

Would it not be in the members of the forums best interst for Joe to have made this public with a new thread on IMF , told the reps and mods, hey Clabs is screwing us, so the other Joes would know that maybe i should question this gear too?

I know there is lab section, does everyone read it? No. and what if they did, still Clabs is protected by the good old boys saying

1) Contact a rep first and see if this can be dealt with in private, no reason for Clab to be blasted in the open
2) Do no call out Clab they have been good to me in the past( ie free gear dosed properly)
3) if you continue to post regarding CLabs gear, your post will be erased, and you will be banned.
4) Clabs made this right to you Joe, cant you just get back in line with the rest of the little followers.

All this is hypothetical of course.
just want your opinion on how Little Joe supposed to deal with CLab and his big brothers.

Yes this is rambling from a person with no caffeine in his system yet, but maybe you get the gist of it

 

[CooperT]

I have to agree with Mike. As one of the people who was on the for front of building the "sponsor" in question, and getting him to where he once was, only to never get paid or replied to. Then start getting bad mass spec reports, fake human grade replicas and so on.

With wp you know what your getting, and you know that the quality your taking is of the highest quality. Period.



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How do you know this is of the highest quality? seems like every time we get a slam dunk, cant get no better, recommendation from a mod, rep, old member, things go to shit real fast. ie Lucky7, Pars,UncleZ now BigD. i can go back and see the same recommendations on them from some high clout members. Im inline with others who think, if you rep for them, and they go to shit, you go out with them.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I don't rep for anyone. Years ago I repped for z, once hi ls quality started to dwindle I moved on.

Now there is to much risk to rep for a single company. But I can provide honest feedback sometimes it's good, some bad.

In this very case. Every product of AP I have used has been excellent in comparison to other gear I have used. Period.

It's an opinion, not a rep pushing a product but my opinion after using many different labs and or products.

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[heckler7]

Heavy,and others, let me ask a question i have been wanting to ask you for awhile now, its nothing towards you, but i want your opinion on it and i think others will appreciate the question.

All hypothetical of course, we will call the lab CLab (CooperLab)
CLab has a good ssteady customer base for last year or so on IML. with a few issue here and there.

Ok we have a customer Joe Dirt, a member of IML, been part of the online community for 2-3 yrs

Joe Dirt Gets some test e from Clab, Runs it 750 mg for 4 wks , then has blood work done, comes back with a low score of say 550.

He contacts the rep who says to Joe , your a low responder, your a scammer, your trying to make me look bad, etc. but to keep it all quiet CLab agrees to send him some replacement test, specifically some known to them properly if maybe even overdosed gear to make sure Joe is kept quiet.

Joe , not one to go full blast over this, takes the gear runs it, and his next blood panel is 3300, great all is well, he is happy this time. Clab is happy because they did not get blasted for having underdosed gear, and continues business as usual, cutting a few corners with powder, maybe making sure the ones that they know will do panels get some of the special sauce that is dosed perfect.(ie, mods and reps)

Now, here is the kicker, no one knows what happened, they guys who bought gear at the same time as Joe, whether a bad batch, or underdosed batch, or weak powders, etc are all in the dark because Joe didnt go on the forums and blast the hell out of Clabs for underdosed gear, the other customers think they have some good gear because this rep, and this mod ,and these old members said all was good on the gear they received (free probably) , and will protect Clab when the next Joe makes a public claim of fraud.

Would it not be in the members of the forums best interst for Joe to have made this public with a new thread on IMF , told the reps and mods, hey Clabs is screwing us, so the other Joes would know that maybe i should question this gear too?

I know there is lab section, does everyone read it? No. and what if they did, still Clabs is protected by the good old boys saying

1) Contact a rep first and see if this can be dealt with in private, no reason for Clab to be blasted in the open
2) Do no call out Clab they have been good to me in the past( ie free gear dosed properly)
3) if you continue to post regarding CLabs gear, your post will be erased, and you will be banned.
4) Clabs made this right to you Joe, cant you just get back in line with the rest of the little followers.

All this is hypothetical of course.
just want your opinion on how Little Joe supposed to deal with CLab and his big brothers.

Yes this is rambling from a person with no caffeine in his system yet, but maybe you get the gist of it

from what I know, could be wrong here, test is synthetic and doesnt have to go thru a conversion process, if u inject 300-500 test e a week you should be around 1500 and 1G should be at or over 3500, if you labs fall short its under dosed. I have had this problem in the past and posted it and contacted sponsors and they brushed me off. So now I give a sponsor a try, and never make big purchases to avoid buying a heap of bunk gear or just getting plain scammed, keep quiet and move on.

I would think other sponsors as well as members would want the truth being told because now I'm apprehensive of all the sponsors here I dont see a difference in risk from ordering from world pharma than uncle Z. I do know there was a huge drug bust where they displayed Z gear in the news and then Z disappeared for a while, so theres one reason I stay away, and for the price of WP gear I can try 5 other sponsors and my odds should increase. just sayn, I know WP has a following and I mean no disrespect

 

[futureMrO]

I'm still waiting for our moderator Mike to explain why he didn't say anything publicly here when he knew what was happening with Z/PSL. Obviously other people knew and didn't say anything but Mike wrote he knew what was going on so that's why I'm asking him.

he will respond, hes just finishing the book that hes writing for his post

 

[skinnyguy180]

I think its funny how many people assume that buying illegal drugs off the internet would EVER be safe.

And lets be real here Sponsors(dealers) are subject to limitations. They are not making the powder that they are turning into steroids. And the quality of the gear directly depends on how good the raws are. So say your making gear and sell out like crazy and then all of the sudden a batch of raws you get is crap compared to the last ones (vendor still the same) How is the "Cooker" supposed to know that something has changed? Yet he will be the one exiled along with every mod or rep that liked the first couple batches of that gear and said so.

So, is everyone just looking for some one to blame because I don't see how that is beneficial to any one.

I'm not defending scammers just giving you the reality of buying steroids.

 

[skinnyguy180]

Oh and if any of you were wondering coffee with butter in it is completely rad

 

[BIGBEN2011]

yea my gear is not crashed it has a white film like floating in it. but like mike and i said they are fine when i got them. clear then after siting this white milky stuff floating in them. what is that and how does this happen i can shake the vial up and it goes away for a few mins but i let it sit comes back.i have tren and test e that has done this from two diff sponsors from here. one of the vials from z was like this just not as bad as these others i have i pinned it got results did not get sick or nothing seems this happens a lot every body says it the same way looks like cum floating in the oil. so some body knows what causes this and what that is in there floating?

 

[hoyle21]

I was a pretty big world-pharma doubter for a long time. I entered a contest was chosen and the guy won me over. Yes he speaks broken English but you can figure it out, and he is very prompt with responses. The products were spot on. I used his water based winny that I had won and purchased some Tbol and sust. It was a fantastic cycle for me. I'd recommend him to anyone.

 

[sneedham]

I agree with well...all of that

I used z yrs back and it was gtg but then everyone knows of the crash and burn and revival..shit seemed good then it went to hell.
I won't speak for Jimmy but I can speak for myself that we went to blueprint because we liked what we saw, tried it ourselves ad thought we could help make this shop happen as the new kid on the block....so far so good and I hope it continues. If it doesn't I'll rat em out myself.

I can also say that every mod here I've talked to has been very up front with me about various shops and really..its not that hard to figure whos gtg and who isn't...read their forums and really dig.

Hi Sheriv,
In the last year or so I have developed a friendship with a few mods (DJ, Bigmoe65,Sherk)if I missed someone I apologize and I have made up my mind that I can trust them. With that said and this is mainly aimed at your last sentence, if I were to be considering a purchase would you be up front about your opinion on another lab via PM? See, I am not a MOD (yet) but do not have access to certain conversations that you might. This comment is not a bash but just something that I think all reps/mods should consider when asked a very serious question about another lab or pharm.....I hope this makes some sense also I have followed you from day one and I believe you to have morals/values and would like to be able to turn to yet another rep and be able to trust her advice...Sincerely, sneedham

 

[SheriV]

I do answer answer honestly and objectively....but I will only answer on product as outlined above (I or someone I trust has tried it)

I also agree with the above statement about bad batches due to crappy raws..this is why when something goes down, as long as the sponsor makes good on it I see it as part of the game

 

[GH Consigliere]

I agree ^^

 

[World-Pharma.org]

Thanks again to all who trust to my shop last 4 years on ironmagaizineforum! i will always do my best to make each customer happy..HAPPY CUSTOMER = FREE ADVERTISE!

 

[malk]

androlics in a thai chemist are only 50 dollars...60pound in the uk.

 

[heavyiron]

Heavy,and others, let me ask a question i have been wanting to ask you for awhile now, its nothing towards you, but i want your opinion on it and i think others will appreciate the question.

All hypothetical of course, we will call the lab CLab (CooperLab)
CLab has a good ssteady customer base for last year or so on IML. with a few issue here and there.

Ok we have a customer Joe Dirt, a member of IML, been part of the online community for 2-3 yrs

Joe Dirt Gets some test e from Clab, Runs it 750 mg for 4 wks , then has blood work done, comes back with a low score of say 550.

He contacts the rep who says to Joe , your a low responder, your a scammer, your trying to make me look bad, etc. but to keep it all quiet CLab agrees to send him some replacement test, specifically some known to them properly if maybe even overdosed gear to make sure Joe is kept quiet.

Joe , not one to go full blast over this, takes the gear runs it, and his next blood panel is 3300, great all is well, he is happy this time. Clab is happy because they did not get blasted for having underdosed gear, and continues business as usual, cutting a few corners with powder, maybe making sure the ones that they know will do panels get some of the special sauce that is dosed perfect.(ie, mods and reps)

Now, here is the kicker, no one knows what happened, they guys who bought gear at the same time as Joe, whether a bad batch, or underdosed batch, or weak powders, etc are all in the dark because Joe didnt go on the forums and blast the hell out of Clabs for underdosed gear, the other customers think they have some good gear because this rep, and this mod ,and these old members said all was good on the gear they received (free probably) , and will protect Clab when the next Joe makes a public claim of fraud.

Would it not be in the members of the forums best interst for Joe to have made this public with a new thread on IMF , told the reps and mods, hey Clabs is screwing us, so the other Joes would know that maybe i should question this gear too?

I know there is lab section, does everyone read it? No. and what if they did, still Clabs is protected by the good old boys saying

1) Contact a rep first and see if this can be dealt with in private, no reason for Clab to be blasted in the open
2) Do no call out Clab they have been good to me in the past( ie free gear dosed properly)
3) if you continue to post regarding CLabs gear, your post will be erased, and you will be banned.
4) Clabs made this right to you Joe, cant you just get back in line with the rest of the little followers.

All this is hypothetical of course.
just want your opinion on how Little Joe supposed to deal with CLab and his big brothers.

Yes this is rambling from a person with no caffeine in his system yet, but maybe you get the gist of it

If it was me I would post the results/evidence RESPECTFULLY and FACTUALLY and never buy from them again. However blood work is a pretty crude indicator of mg/ml almost to the point of being useless unless you are highly experienced and knowledgeable.