The gossip in the bodybuilding world is that the IFBB would like to have a white Mr. O and that Ronnie will lose this year regardless of his condition.
Opinions on this?
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A White Mr. Olympia?
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Yup..I agree. I would like to know who started the rumor..Maybe it was Ronnie Coleman himself??Robert DiMaggio said:.. politics and money, isn't that what all sports are about these days?
The problem is not because of race. The real problem is that Ronnie is not charismatic as Arnold.
Maybe this is a way of softening the blow if Federov wins? Or to build interest in the competition by generating a "scandal" so the regular media outlets cover the contest? Ronnie's a great ambassador for the sport, so the legitimacy of that is questionable...
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yeah, that is basically what I said, they want someone that can represent bodybuilding better than Ronnie is.
but why bring up Arnold... what about Dorian Yates and Lee Haney?
It would be a shame if he lost because of race..I don't know if the IFBB would do something so dumb..They would lose so much credibility and possibly $$$ if they did something totally outrageous.Robert DiMaggio said:
I hope it is not used as an excuse if Ronnie is beating hands down..IMO bodybuilding at the Mr. Olympia level should be like a pro heavyweight fight..You better knock the champ out if you want a guaranteed victory.
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Wasn't the same rumour put out last year and the year before (about Cutler and Gunther respectively)? I think it's a way for the IFBB to increase their dwindling interest. I think Ronnie is a good chamion physically, but if you've heard the man talk he's not exactly a role model or a good speaker.
Because people in the bodybuilding world know who Dorian and Lee are but Arnold was the one to bring bodybuilding to everybody. You can mention his name in China and people know who he is. I like Arnold.Robert DiMaggio said:
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I hope you use that term loosely....
I kinda wondered what might be up when the IFBB announced some new rules this year, like that "challenge" round - I'm not sure how that is supposed to go, but I think one competitor is allowed to challenge someone else for a bodypart comparison . . .
I read this in Flex online a few weeks ago, and they did a few interviews about it - Ronnie sounded really against that idea, but Jay was saying it would be a real crowd pleaser. Seems kinda hard to believe that Ronnie could lose if he comes in as big as last year - unless Federov is competing and has improved or Jay has packed on more. . .
I read this in Flex online a few weeks ago, and they did a few interviews about it - Ronnie sounded really against that idea, but Jay was saying it would be a real crowd pleaser. Seems kinda hard to believe that Ronnie could lose if he comes in as big as last year - unless Federov is competing and has improved or Jay has packed on more. . .
Here ya go. . . .
I just wondered how this might influence the judging?
http://www.flexonline.com/news/53
OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN: STARS COMMENT ON RULE CHANGES
The introduction of the new Challenge Round (wherein the top six get to challenge each other to individual poses) to the Mr. Olympia contest has raised a lot of comment and controversy. We asked some of the sport's leading competitors what they think of this new innovation. Fasten your seat belts.
RONNIE COLEMAN
I think it's stupid and a big waste of time. The posedown is more valid; at least, there, you are comparing physiques, not individual body parts. Why should they change a proven format, in the first place? After all, they're not changing the rules of baseball, football or other sports, so why change bodybuilding? It's been working all these years, and the Mr. Olympia sells out every year. I don't see what this stupid round--what do they call it?--is supposed to do. I don't think some in-your-face, show-off round that is ideal for egos but a disadvantage for serious bodybuilders should determine who wins Mr. Olympia.
JAY CUTLER
The excitement factor will be great for the crowd. You're going to see a lot of movement in the placings as the guys at the bottom end of the top six make their challenges. Every guy should be able to beat every other guy in the top six in at least one pose; so, it's knowing which pose to call against which guy. That's going to add a lot of entertainment value to the show.
GUNTER SCHLIERKAMP
It will provide a clearer and more extended comparison among the top six, which the audience missed, if they were not at prejudging; and it will help fire up the crowd, at least for the first show. A big complaint from lower-placed guys is that they didn't get the chance to pose with all the guys above them -- now they have that opportunity.
TROY ALVES
I like the idea. What I think it does is give the judges a chance to really take a look at the top guys in the condition they bring to the stage Saturday night. So it's more important than ever for guys to hold their peak throughout the day, as opposed to just peaking for the prejudging It's a tremendous thing too because it will bring so much excitement to the sport. It opens up the door for everyone in the top six to get their chance at first place and each pose becomes valuable. If you make a mistake in calling poses it could mean a difference in $20k in prize money. I've already started thinking about which pose I want to use on each guy.
CRAIG TITUS
I love the whole idea of the challenge round, and the scoreboard is going to make it even more exciting. It's an excellent change for the audience, and it's great for the competitors, too. Now, you'll see competitors in even better condition at the night show than you have in the past. It also makes the competitors be a little more strategic and think about what pose is best to use against which guy. The crowd response is going to be enormous.
SHAWN RAY
Any change to the formatting of the contest is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. For too many years the sport was static. The athletes were progressing, the prize money was progressing, but the competitions themselves were at a standstill." So I'm all for this kind of change. As to how the round will work out in the end, we'll have to wait and see. But I'm sure if there are any kinks they'll be worked out and improved upon for next year.
What's great about the challenge round is that it gives athletes the chance to be active participants in the competition, not just bodies filling a stage. --FLEX magazine.
I just wondered how this might influence the judging?
http://www.flexonline.com/news/53
OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN: STARS COMMENT ON RULE CHANGES
The introduction of the new Challenge Round (wherein the top six get to challenge each other to individual poses) to the Mr. Olympia contest has raised a lot of comment and controversy. We asked some of the sport's leading competitors what they think of this new innovation. Fasten your seat belts.
RONNIE COLEMAN
I think it's stupid and a big waste of time. The posedown is more valid; at least, there, you are comparing physiques, not individual body parts. Why should they change a proven format, in the first place? After all, they're not changing the rules of baseball, football or other sports, so why change bodybuilding? It's been working all these years, and the Mr. Olympia sells out every year. I don't see what this stupid round--what do they call it?--is supposed to do. I don't think some in-your-face, show-off round that is ideal for egos but a disadvantage for serious bodybuilders should determine who wins Mr. Olympia.
JAY CUTLER
The excitement factor will be great for the crowd. You're going to see a lot of movement in the placings as the guys at the bottom end of the top six make their challenges. Every guy should be able to beat every other guy in the top six in at least one pose; so, it's knowing which pose to call against which guy. That's going to add a lot of entertainment value to the show.
GUNTER SCHLIERKAMP
It will provide a clearer and more extended comparison among the top six, which the audience missed, if they were not at prejudging; and it will help fire up the crowd, at least for the first show. A big complaint from lower-placed guys is that they didn't get the chance to pose with all the guys above them -- now they have that opportunity.
TROY ALVES
I like the idea. What I think it does is give the judges a chance to really take a look at the top guys in the condition they bring to the stage Saturday night. So it's more important than ever for guys to hold their peak throughout the day, as opposed to just peaking for the prejudging It's a tremendous thing too because it will bring so much excitement to the sport. It opens up the door for everyone in the top six to get their chance at first place and each pose becomes valuable. If you make a mistake in calling poses it could mean a difference in $20k in prize money. I've already started thinking about which pose I want to use on each guy.
CRAIG TITUS
I love the whole idea of the challenge round, and the scoreboard is going to make it even more exciting. It's an excellent change for the audience, and it's great for the competitors, too. Now, you'll see competitors in even better condition at the night show than you have in the past. It also makes the competitors be a little more strategic and think about what pose is best to use against which guy. The crowd response is going to be enormous.
SHAWN RAY
Any change to the formatting of the contest is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. For too many years the sport was static. The athletes were progressing, the prize money was progressing, but the competitions themselves were at a standstill." So I'm all for this kind of change. As to how the round will work out in the end, we'll have to wait and see. But I'm sure if there are any kinks they'll be worked out and improved upon for next year.
What's great about the challenge round is that it gives athletes the chance to be active participants in the competition, not just bodies filling a stage. --FLEX magazine.
i doubt the challenges will matter much - it's the same judges looking at the same physiqes in the same poses they looked at during prejudging. if the audience had any impact on the outcome....THEN things could get interesting. 
Whatever happens it's Bush's fault 
Yeah, Bush found out Ronnie was voting for Kerry and talked to his buddies about making Ronnie lose.maniclion said:Whatever happens it's Bush's fault
