About to start my next cycle, need suppliments that WORK

[TheStuff]

I am trying to figure what I want to stack in this cycle. The usual 100% whey protein, but I'm also looking to pickup a GREAT pre-stimulant workout and creatine. I've tried MaximumPump and RPM as prestimulants and they didn't do that great I thought. I've used CEE and Xceed.

The first time I stacked I had the following

100% Whey Protein (Pre/Post Workout)
CEE (Pre/Post Workout)
Nitro4 (Pre-Stimulant)
Maximum Pump (Pre-Stimulant)

I remember my first workout on this the pump was AMAZING! However, as the cycle went on, the pumps started dying down and becoming non existent. Maybe after being a couple of months off, I should run with this again?

Diet and workout is set, I just need to figure out what supplements I'm stacking

Suggestions will be welcomed!

 

[nni]

pump product, my favorite is NO Limits (ds just happend to make it)
creatines: you tried xceed, what about sizeon or clout?
stims: i dont use stims too much, but what about ergopharms amp?

you would be better served with a carb + eaa product for pre (vendetta, 8-beta anabol etc. ) and a carb + whey drink for post (replenish, aftershock recovery, recover 2:1:1)

 

[TheStuff]

My main supplement is Epistane

I don't know if I'm able to talk about that supplement here but I am doing a pulse cycle 40mg on workout days and I just need what other stacks I need.

My cycle will be running for around 2 months with a safe PCT just incase.

So you're suggesting what products from DS?

 

[nni]

My main supplement is Epistane

I don't know if I'm able to talk about that supplement here but I am doing a pulse cycle 40mg on workout days and I just need what other stacks I need.

My cycle will be running for around 2 months with a safe PCT just incase.

So you're suggesting what products from DS?

oh, well that changes things then. well i dont recommend taking epistane, but if you are what is your pct?

i did suggest NO Limits, but on a steroid cycle it isnt needed. i would pick up the the pre workout eaa + carb and post workout whey + carb though. very good for on or off cycle.

 

[TheStuff]

The two one month cycles I did on Epistane prior was one month on of a 10/20/30/40 and then a month on PCT and then a month off (just protein)

My second cycle was 20/30/40/40, month of PCT, and then month off (just protein)

During both cycles on and off I was taking Perfect Cycle for liver support.

PCT contained:
Torem
MassFX
Perfect Cycle

What do you suggest for pre eaa + carb and post whey + carb? Should this all I need to stack with the Epistane?

 

[nni]

The two one month cycles I did on Epistane prior was one month on of a 10/20/30/40 and then a month on PCT and then a month off (just protein)

My second cycle was 20/30/40/40, month of PCT, and then month off (just protein)

During both cycles on and off I was taking Perfect Cycle for liver support.

PCT contained:
Torem
MassFX
Perfect Cycle

What do you suggest for pre eaa + carb and post whey + carb? Should this all I need to stack with the Epistane?

well how long have you been off cycle completely? the more times you do a cycle the less effect it will have, you need to give your body and androgen recptors lots of time to recover. when on a steroid you shouldnt need anything but lots of food and protein protein timing, which is why i suggested the eaa pre and whey post.

eaa + carb = vendetta, 8-beta anabol, or just get vassive ea8 or primal eaa and add in a powdered gatorade or cytomax.

 

[TheStuff]

Let me check my logs...

First cycle was April to May

PCT from May to June

Second cycle was July to August

PCT from August to September

And now it's the beginning of December and I haven't really had any time to get a strict diet/workout going because of school/2 jobs so I've had 3 months off now. Even stopped taking the whey protein and Xceed and so forth, but would be able to get into the gym for maybe twice a week but wasn't a set schedule like I usually have it.

Now that I have a whole month off for winter break, I am set on my workout/schedule and want to improve/gain again.

So you're suggesting vassive ea8 or primal eaa for a pre workout and mix it with a powdered Gatorade or something? Then the vassive ea8 or primal eaa and my whey protein mixed for post workouts?

Don't take anything daily?

 

[nni]

Let me check my logs...

First cycle was April to May

PCT from May to June

Second cycle was July to August

PCT from August to September

And now it's the beginning of December and I haven't really had any time to get a strict diet/workout going because of school/2 jobs so I've had 3 months off now. Even stopped taking the whey protein and Xceed and so forth, but would be able to get into the gym for maybe twice a week but wasn't a set schedule like I usually have it.

Now that I have a whole month off for winter break, I am set on my workout/schedule and want to improve/gain again.

So you're suggesting vassive ea8 or primal eaa for a pre workout and mix it with a powdered Gatorade or something? Then the vassive ea8 or primal eaa and my whey protein mixed for post workouts?

Don't take anything daily?

yeah, that sounds good. if you are pusling, i guess you can pick up a creatine. my area is really of ph/steroids, so we will what others have to say.

 

[TheStuff]

By the way, I have your Xceed still in my cabinet but I haven't used it for a while and I opened it up the other day and it's hard/browning. Does Xceed have an expiration date because I really doubt it's safe for me to take any of that hah.

So my stack is going to look like this

Pulsing Epistane 40mg on workout days

Pre-workout:
Xceed
Vassive EA8 or Primal EAA (which would you pick, any differences?)
I want to take a pre-stimulant still I think to give me an extra push
Perfect Cycle (Liver support)

Post-Workout:
100% Whey Protein
Vassive EA8 or Primal EAA
Xceed

Do you have a flavorless Xceed so I can just mix it with my protein?

 

[nni]

you need carbs with your protein and eaa's so pick a carb source.

if the xceed is brown it means that moisture has seeped in and has turned. go to the DS website and send an email, or send an email to robboe@designersupps.com and tell him i sent you. no flavorless xceed, but creatine mono is flavorless and cheap.

 

[TheStuff]

I sent him an e-mail, I didn't know what I need to say, but I just basically said that the Xceed turned hard and is starting to turn brown.

So just to get this all finalized, you said I need to pickup carbs and eaa's? So I'll have to purchase both Vassive EA8 and Primal EAA?

 

[nni]

no, pick one, they are the same, just different flavors. i love the primal eaa + cytomax combo. i am rarely sore after a workout.

 

[TheStuff]

How come the Primal is so much more expensive than the EA8?

 

[TheStuff]

I've been reading up and I'm debating in throwing away this coming cycle and just go with an easy Animal Pak/Pump Stack?

I don't know how this would differ from the Epistane EAA and Carb cycle?

Or is there a way to run these stacks together?

 

[workingatit43]

You may want to take more time off than this it is going to be your 3rd cycle in 7 months the results may not be as good as you would like. I would give my body more time off of ph's than this but it is just my opinion

 

[nni]

How come the Primal is so much more expensive than the EA8?

many more servings, and more leucine.

I've been reading up and I'm debating in throwing away this coming cycle and just go with an easy Animal Pak/Pump Stack?

I don't know how this would differ from the Epistane EAA and Carb cycle?

Or is there a way to run these stacks together?

well a steroid will beat anything, but the pak is a multi and pump is a decent NO/creatine. you have many options, i just presented my favorite. do research before you buy anything so you have no regrets.

You may want to take more time off than this it is going to be your 3rd cycle in 7 months the results may not be as good as you would like. I would give my body more time off of ph's than this but it is just my opinion

something else to consider.