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Advice from the pros needed...cardio/test?

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Last time I cycled I was on test sust, 750mg a week. Now that was alot of fun however running was next to impossible due to the intense pumps in my calfs. I'm about to start a "program" where there will be alot of running and star climbing. (forced not a option) should I lower my normal dose to avoid not being able to complete the work outs? Or just quick being a bitch and tuff it out? Will I get use to it? I never had an issue with the pumps being to much in the upper body but I never run or do legs so the one time I tried it the pain/pump in my calfs was intense.

...just started a cycle of test-p currenly doing 75 a day so it's already a little less then my last cycle. Should I lower it or keep it the same and hope the pumps get more tolerable?
 
Sorry for the dump question but it is important I pass this program.... Thanks in advance bros.
 
i'm definitely not a pro, but i'm a couple weeks into my first cycle and i'm having the same problem with running. my calves and lower back feel destroyed when i start running. even today, i tried to work through, but the harder i worked, the more intense it got. my limited experience is kind of showing what you encountered on your other cycle. higher amounts of gear and running don't seem to mix.
500mg sus 350/wk; just finished 2 weeks 50mg winny ed three days ago.
 
Never do legs? You might be more suited at Burger King than in a gym.
 
wow I missed that, you don't do legs? What happens if a strong wind comes and you're toppled over?
 
I'm not going to say anything other than, you should work your legs out in some fashion... I know a lot of people don't like doing squats, but do something....

As far as your question... I'm sure there will be plenty of people who disagree with what I'm going to say, but you might give it a try.... It works.. If you eat very little carbs(as in get your body close to ketosis.. you can check using ketostix..mod ketones would be about right).. your body will have burned up most glycogen already and be switching over to ketones as an energy source for the body(other than the brain)...Ketones are AMAZING for doing cardio on! Your body requires far less oxygen to produce the same amount of enrgy(so it's easier to breathe while you're running, on stairs), but also... you don't get much pump with ketones!!! so, Im not sure if you are doing these drills every day or on specific days, but if you want to pm me, I can give you a breakdown of how you can be where you want to be as far as getting into first part of ketosis for the drills(while maintaining the most amount of muscle in the process)...Anyone who has ever done cardio while in ketosis(or near ketosis) can attest to how much easier it is all of a sudden... also, there are a few tricks you can use to keep from getttign low blood sugar while doing the drills, etc...
 
damn bro I gotta say you've got some info I've never even heard of, it's good to have you on the boards overburdened :)

back looks sick btw
 
Digitalash said:
damn bro I gotta say you've got some info I've never even heard of, it's good to have you on the boards overburdened :)

back looks sick btw
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Thanks bro!
 
Digitalash said:
wow I missed that, you don't do legs? What happens if a strong wind comes and you're toppled over?
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Idra said:
Never do legs? You might be more suited at Burger King than in a gym.
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I have awesome legs...to look at. Huge calfs but i just dont do much cardio or leg work outs but like I said that's about to all change ...hey we all gotta start somewhere man. Thanks for all the info though.... Heh.
 
autodad said:
I have awesome legs...to look at. Huge calfs but i just dont do much cardio or leg work outs but like I said that's about to all change ...hey we all gotta start somewhere man. Thanks for all the info though.... Heh.
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a good start and a good change is to stop taking anything...any pro who advise you to take AAS is not a pro ....not sure how old you are but you seem young and at your age you should run like a wind and don't even think about being tired...in my teens and 20's i went to the gym or to the track then to judo session then to a complete outdoor soccer game in a tournament in one day and i have done that many times, no cramps no crap and all my friends did that and i even was on a bike all day . my son goes to the gym 4 times a week and has a varsity soccer game twice a week on the big field and he does not take any supplements at all just clean and proper food ..sometimes i give him a protein shake, he is fast strong and never gets tired, his strike kick can break someones arm, he is centerfield position and occasionally kicks on the target from far a way . what i wanted is not show off just to to say that AAS is only a part of the story and a tiny part,,it gives you something but it takes away a lot!
i play soccer sometimes saturdays with a group of bodybuilders and students from the gym and the big one normally are very sluggish, week kick and fatigue quick....it is funny to see sometimes a bb playing with huge legs that can squat 400= lbs and he cannot match a skinny soccer player half his size but who can kick hard real HArd
 
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bjg said:
a good start and a good change is to stop taking anything...any pro who advise you to take AAS is not a pro ....not sure how old you are but you seem young and at your age you should run like a wind and don't even think about being tired...in my teens and 20's i went to the gym or to the track then to judo session then to a complete outdoor soccer game in a tournament in one day and i have done that many times, no cramps no crap and all my friends did that and i even was on a bike all day . my son goes to the gym 4 times a week and has a varsity soccer game twice a week on the big field and he does not take any supplements at all just clean and proper food ..sometimes i give him a protein shake, he is fast strong and never gets tired, his strike kick can break someones arm, he is centerfield position and occasionally kicks on the target from far a way . what i wanted is not show off just to to say that AAS is only a part of the story and a tiny part,,it gives you something but it takes away a lot!
i play soccer sometimes saturdays with a group of bodybuilders and students from the gym and the big one normally are very sluggish, week kick and fatigue quick....it is funny to see sometimes a bb playing with huge legs that can squat 400= lbs and he cannot match a skinny soccer player half his size but who can kick hard real HArd
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no you are a fucking idiot fuck off.


I would follow overburdened's suggestion. I feel there would be a similar level of testosterone in 525mg of prop as there would be in 750mg of sust when you consider the ester weights.
 
bjg said:
a good start and a good change is to stop taking anything...any pro who advise you to take AAS is not a pro ....not sure how old you are but you seem young and at your age you should run like a wind and don't even think about being tired...in my teens and 20's i went to the gym or to the track then to judo session then to a complete outdoor soccer game in a tournament in one day and i have done that many times, no cramps no crap and all my friends did that and i even was on a bike all day . my son goes to the gym 4 times a week and has a varsity soccer game twice a week on the big field and he does not take any supplements at all just clean and proper food ..sometimes i give him a protein shake, he is fast strong and never gets tired, his strike kick can break someones arm, he is centerfield position and occasionally kicks on the target from far a way . what i wanted is not show off just to to say that AAS is only a part of the story and a tiny part,,it gives you something but it takes away a lot!
i play soccer sometimes saturdays with a group of bodybuilders and students from the gym and the big one normally are very sluggish, week kick and fatigue quick....it is funny to see sometimes a bb playing with huge legs that can squat 400= lbs and he cannot match a skinny soccer player half his size but who can kick hard real HArd
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i have to agree with standard donkey. you come off as ridiculously off base. when i was a teenager/early 20's i could ninja kick a grizzly bear while carrying a 100 lb rucksack, blah blah blah, i suck dicks. this post is in the "anabolic zone". if you don't have something to contribute to the op's post, don't respond. i would take my own advice, but my network wont let me neg you and i have to post this.
 
Lmao... Thanks guys and for the record I'm 32, several cycles under my belt. I've just never been much for cardio And was wondering if I should lower my dose to reduce the pump I get in my calfs when I run while cycling test. I think I will go down to 50mg a day and see how it treats me. Maybe after the first month or two I can up it. Like I said in the gym I have no issues with it and welcome the pump. I think I just gotta brake I'm the old legs. Haven't used them much since I got out of the army. Heh

...i should have posted my stats though, rules are rules. My bad.
 
I have an issue w pumps too, but usually just while on orals like tbol or dbol. I would recommend lowering the dose and see how it goes.

Bjg,
Please stay out of the anabolic section w your opinions. We have a natural section for your views.

I personally don't think that a Keto diet will prevent aas related pumps, but it may be worth a try.
If you need to do lots of high intensity cardio, a Keto diet won't be as beneficial as a diet w carbs in it. A Keto diet is favored by some guys, but it won't result in anymore fat loss than other calorie restriction diets.
 
I wan't suggesting the ketosis to aid in fat loss at all... I was merely giving a suggestion to hinder the pump a little... part of the way that aas increases pump is through NOS... NOS is diminished with lack of insulin... so there's one way it will help diminish aas pump.. but also, due to the fact that most glycogen in the body has been consumed by the time you are nearing ketosis(no glycogen pump).... there isn't really a way to completely rid the pump from aas, but it is possible to diminish it to a tolerable level...

that, and requiring less o2 to complete the drills makes things a little easier(at least for those who don't have tons of conditioning)

That's all I was getting at with the ketosis..
 
If its important like you say it is, just drop down to 250mg a week.
 
lol ....you really make me laugh.. ..my point was: all the crap you are taking is catching up with you....lowering your dose or not it is not going to matter ...when you are off cycle things will not go back to point 0 ..harm will accumulate through time....and by the way you should all go to some forum called: Steroid addicts or lazy cheaters or something like that because none of you is a bodybuilder....Bodybuilding and steroids don't go together....unfortunately bodybuilding' s reputation has been tarnished because of all that issue.
Bodybuilding involves training (something you ignore)
Healthy Nutrition (something you also ignore)
Building your body not only from the outside and stay healthy(something you also ignore)
Being a true sportsman with a true sportsman ethics and personality (something you will never have)
 
To the op...with or without gear your going to get that hard pump in your leggs at first because of your lack of legg training...like overburden stated by going into ketosis it will impact the tight/full feeling and give you some break in that area...make sure your very well hydrated also...theres a read called "squat for biceps" that talks about cns stimulation etc etc...might want to check it out...gives a diff perspective on legg training...
 
bjg said:
lol ....you really make me laugh.. ..my point was: all the crap you are taking is catching up with you....lowering your dose or not it is not going to matter ...when you are off cycle things will not go back to point 0 ..harm will accumulate through time....and by the way you should all go to some forum called: Steroid addicts or lazy cheaters or something like that because none of you is a bodybuilder....Bodybuilding and steroids don't go together....unfortunately bodybuilding' s reputation has been tarnished because of all that issue.
Bodybuilding involves training (something you ignore)
Healthy Nutrition (something you also ignore)
Building your body not only from the outside and stay healthy(something you also ignore)
Being a true sportsman with a true sportsman ethics and personality (something you will never have)
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No one here wants your opinion bjg, that should be clear by now. If you don't agree with AAS that's fine but you're making yourself look foolish now. Bodybuilding as a sport at the level it's at now would not exist without steroids. All the guys who made it popular were on the gears. Every ifbb pro is on shit tons of juice year round, AND they have good diet, work ethic, training etc. You're being pretty insulting saying people here don't understand those things and are "lazy cheaters". Also no one asked about your son's soccer career, what the F are you even talking about?
 
bjg said:
lol ....you really make me laugh.. ..my point was: all the crap you are taking is catching up with you....lowering your dose or not it is not going to matter ...when you are off cycle things will not go back to point 0 ..harm will accumulate through time....and by the way you should all go to some forum called: Steroid addicts or lazy cheaters or something like that because none of you is a bodybuilder....Bodybuilding and steroids don't go together....unfortunately bodybuilding' s reputation has been tarnished because of all that issue.
Bodybuilding involves training (something you ignore)
Healthy Nutrition (something you also ignore)
Building your body not only from the outside and stay healthy(something you also ignore)
Being a true sportsman with a true sportsman ethics and personality (something you will never have)
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Climb down off your soapbox and give it a rest, your not going to change the minds of anyone here. Please do as exphys88 has suggested and go show your support for the sport in the natty section. No one here in the ANABOLIC ZONE is going to be persuaded to change anything they are doing because you feel they are wrong.
 
Bjg ? Are you still arguing AAS with people?
Your baseless points are tiresome at best! You don't have any studies that support your "facts" on AAS unless it's your ability to google junk science.
I think you had a thread in the natty section where you said steroids kill people! I asked for a definitive documented case where someone had OD'd from AAS. You couldn't possess 1 -like I said- other than junk science?
I see you here in AZ arguing or presenting these preposterous notions of what you think is good and bad and it's making you look really really stupid.. Take that shit to a site that's all about skeptics and natural people that think bodybuilders don't work hard, cut corners, cheat, or whatever your excuse is because you never achieved the physical perception you wanted!!!
 
autodad said:
I'm about to start a "program" where there will be alot of running and star climbing. (forced not a option) should I lower my normal dose to avoid not being able to complete the work outs? Or just quick being a bitch and tuff it out? Will I get use to it? I never had an issue with the pumps being to much in the upper body but I never run or do legs so the one time I tried it the pain/pump in my calfs was intense.
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Both. Lower the dose. Then quit being a bitch and tuff it out. If that's you in the picture, leg work and some cardio would get you looking ripped. You're close. You just need to push yourself over that uncomfortable line. Then enjoy the results.
 
hypo_glycemic said:
Bjg ? Are you still arguing AAS with people?
Your baseless points are tiresome at best! You don't have any studies that support your "facts" on AAS unless it's your ability to google junk science.
I think you had a thread in the natty section where you said steroids kill people! I asked for a definitive documented case where someone had OD'd from AAS. You couldn't possess 1 -like I said- other than junk science?
I see you here in AZ arguing or presenting these preposterous notions of what you think is good and bad and it's making you look really really stupid.. Take that shit to a site that's all about skeptics and natural people that think bodybuilders don't work hard, cut corners, cheat, or whatever your excuse is because you never achieved the physical perception you wanted!!!
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dude i have achieved more than you ever will with all the steroids you take ..i'll send you a pic of me if you promise you won't post it (i have my reasons) and you will see that probably none of these idiots can come close.... steroids or not! i even challenge you and trust you to be the judge and i assure you none here in this thread can come close
 
bjg said:
dude i have achieved more than you ever will with all the steroids you take ..i'll send you a pic of me if you promise you won't post it (i have my reasons) and you will see that probably none of these idiots can come close.... steroids or not! i even challenge you and trust you to be the judge and i assure you none here in this thread can come close
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tired old man.. go back to your natural section and relieve us of your bullshit
 
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