Advice needed for first PH stack

[TheFlyingHammer]

Hi everyone. I'm new to this site and have no experience with any PH's or AAS. I've only run peptides and SARM's (MK-2866/GW-1516) and am now looking to try a cycle of PH's. My main aims are to find a combination that will increase strength, result in lean gains, (no bloat) have a low liver toxicity and not result in hair loss, acne etc. I know I'm asking a lot but I am not looking to get huge so I'm thinking that I may stack P-stanz and Halodrol together at low doses in order to achieve my aims. I'm looking for people with experience with these to help with my decision as I'm not willing to risk hair loss for gains and although I have read the sides to these are minimal I'd like to hear from some people with firsthand experience. My choice of PH's is very limited due to my geographical location but any advice is welcome. I'd also like to know what sort of PCT I should run (needs to be OTC unfortunately, no research chems) and also what kind of liver support would be appropriate. Thanks, hope to hear back from you guys soon.

 

[boss]

My advice is run test. If you're willing to pop a pill to grow then poke a pin. Just test 500mg split it twice a week.

 

[TheFlyingHammer]

I'd love to be able to do that boss but unfortunately over here in Oz we don't have very good access to any AAS and even if one finds a good connect even running test can be an expensive exercise. I'm too young to get test from a doctor here (and I'm over 30!) so it's orals or nothing for me, and a limited range at that. Thanks for the reply mate, I'll surely take up the advice once I'm able to get a doctor on side but that's not likely to happen for at least a few years.

 

[boss]

Have you considered sponsors on here?

 

[bigbenj]

Australia customs are among the worst for this. Even more strict than Canada.

 

[ckcrown84]

My first runs were of helladrol and beastdrol
From Mr supps. I am a fan. I'm sure iml has a similar product to helladrol and there superdrol product is super dmz

Anyway the hdrol was great for strength gains for me

 

[Culler]

Honestly, I would run a solo H-drol cycle for what your looking for. Sides are minimal, it's a little harsh on the liver but you can offset this with the proper support supps.

H-drol (6 weeks, I went 75/75/75/75/100/100 I think, you may want to start with 50 to see how it hits you)
Milk Thistle
Advance Cycle Support
Anabolic Matrix
Hawthorne Berry (blood pressure)

I used Nolva for PCT, or Clomid would work. Not sure what OTC you can run for it though.

I really like the H-drol, had great results from it. I would run creatine once your done your cycle during PCT. But that pretty much sums it. Do some more reading on other similar cycles, if you haven't ran one before, I would just pick one and run it, not mix them.

Just my .02

 

[TheFlyingHammer]

Thanks fellas, very informative and to the point. I'm also thinking about RPN Havoc which I've read can be good run by itself. I'm not going to begin a cycle until I can secure some real PCT help ie, nolva or otherwise as I am not willing to risk it so I'm going to see what I can get in that regard. I've read that gyno can occur after a cycle of Havoc but I'm not sure of this and would like to hear what anyone here can tell me regarding the importance of PCT in hormone balancing etc. So for now I'm going to continue with my ostarine and see if some real PCT can be obtained. One more question, how long should I take milk thistle before a cycle? or do I just take it during cycle? I already take it just to keep my liver in good shape even with ostarine and GW-1516 so I'm familiar with the stuff, just not sure about it's use during a cycle. Thanks for all the advice and opinions.

 

[oufinny]

Honestly, I would run a solo H-drol cycle for what your looking for. Sides are minimal, it's a little harsh on the liver but you can offset this with the proper support supps.

H-drol (6 weeks, I went 75/75/75/75/100/100 I think, you may want to start with 50 to see how it hits you)
Milk Thistle
Advance Cycle Support
Anabolic Matrix
Hawthorne Berry (blood pressure)

I used Nolva for PCT, or Clomid would work. Not sure what OTC you can run for it though.

I really like the H-drol, had great results from it. I would run creatine once your done your cycle during PCT. But that pretty much sums it. Do some more reading on other similar cycles, if you haven't ran one before, I would just pick one and run it, not mix them.

Just my .02

IML Halo Extreme would be a good first run. That or Cynostane by IML, both will give you nice gains.