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How will pop fade away? Pop just refers to what is popular. It's also been around for centuries, beginning with minstrelsy and various streams from Europe, Africa and Latin America. You can't really just assume that rock and rap will fade away. Where's the indication nowadays that it will just fade away? Every genre of modern music is still around somewhere.
 
So, in terms of being specific...
Music popularity can fade but the music itself won't. Just think of Seattle when it basically was the music scen for grundge and hardcore. Now look at it. The musics popularity has certainly faded...but its roots will likely always be there.
 
As long as the recording is there the music will live on somewhere and a group of youngsters trying to seem obscure will revive it, you'll hear it on college radio shows every Thursday at 4:00AM, or a musician who is into it will cover an old alt. rock song in 2103, maybe Nirvana and spring up a mass resurrection of 1990's music. Look at Classic Rock, Golden Oldies, Bop.....a lot of people back in those days knocked it, said it was the Devils Music and would never survive the Decades, 50 years later people still love it, they buy box sets of 10 discs of all the 1950's popular songs. And out there somewhere someone is laying back listening to some ancient Vaudeville recordings loving it and it's playing over the internet on a streaming radio program that may last for thusands of years, just being transfered from one server to another. I mean look at all of the abandoned websites from 1997 on, the geocities boom when folks whipped up a quick and dirty site to push links to their favorite music, it will all be searchable many many years from now. Shoutcast will fall into disrepair, but people will still be able to search it in archives and click on the links and most of them will have gone down, but a few will still direct you to that Ancient Vaudeville Radio Show....
 
And you know that Bach, Beethoven and Mozart weren't the only ones composing music during their time, they were just some of the most Popular....
 
Goodfella9783 said:
How will pop fade away? Pop just refers to what is popular. It's also been around for centuries, beginning with minstrelsy and various streams from Europe, Africa and Latin America. You can't really just assume that rock and rap will fade away. Where's the indication nowadays that it will just fade away? Every genre of modern music is still around somewhere.
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I'm referring to the style. Just like every decade had a cool music, but suddenly it faded away as culture changed. Swingers, 70's disco, 80s music, 90's grunge alternative. Do you guys see a trend here. In 50 years, few people in Seattle will know what grunge is. I know you guys think your music is so cool that it will withstand the test of time, but it won't. Classical is the only music I know of that can withstand 400 years, and is still a major force to be reckoned with.
 
I don't see a trend. 70's, 80's and alternative are still all on heavy rotation on the radio stations. It may have became less popular, but didn't fade completely away. Just like classical was more popular at one time than it is today. I couldn't tell you one person who listens to classical besides maybe some high school english/music teacher I had years ago. Technology will play a part in all music sticking around for a long time.
 
KelJu said:
I'm referring to the style. Just like every decade had a cool music, but suddenly it faded away as culture changed. Swingers, 70's disco, 80s music, 90's grunge alternative. Do you guys see a trend here. In 50 years, few people in Seattle will know what grunge is. I know you guys think your music is so cool that it will withstand the test of time, but it won't. Classical is the only music I know of that can withstand 400 years, and is still a major force to be reckoned with.
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That is because people had to make good music to sell their work, now people just sell an image.
 
KelJu said:
I'm referring to the style. Just like every decade had a cool music, but suddenly it faded away as culture changed. Swingers, 70's disco, 80s music, 90's grunge alternative. Do you guys see a trend here. In 50 years, few people in Seattle will know what grunge is. I know you guys think your music is so cool that it will withstand the test of time, but it won't. Classical is the only music I know of that can withstand 400 years, and is still a major force to be reckoned with.
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What did people have to choose from 400 years ago? Gospel, Opera, Baroque, Romantic, Impressionist, Symphonic, String Quartets, Classical can be broken down into many parts, just like Rock and Country Western.....music in all of it's many forms will live on.....there are still Native American Drummers, Japanese still have Taiko Groups, I mean as long as someone can get a hold of either the sheet music or a recording there will remain people who are passionate about that type of music.......;)
 
Rock & popular music is circular. Most genre's will reappear in a barely different guise. Right now, a lot of rock/indie bands have a very 70's glam type sound. In the 90's it was 60's style sound. Even metal is on the wheel.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
I couldn't tell you one person who listens to classical besides maybe some high school english/music teacher I had years ago.
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So because you don't know anybody that listens to classical music, I guess nobody does. :rolleyes:

I know lots of people that do. I guess it boils down to who I am around compared to who you hang around.
 
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Bands like Pink Floyd, Tool, etc. will survive the generational gaps and continue to inspire the minds of sprite young artists much as they do today.
 
KelJu said:
So because you don't know anybody that listens to classical music, I guess nobody does. :rolleyes:

I know lots of people that do. I guess it boils down to who I am around compared to who you hang around.
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I wasn't trying to make a point really. I was just making an observation. All modern music has shitloads of fans and it's still all over the radio, just as much as classical. No signs of it fading completely away. Like someone said earlier, you can't compare the genres based on assumptions. And like someone else said, grunge is just a sub-genre of rock, so it doesn't really matter. Rock will always be around in some shape or form. Hip-hop also evolved from James Brown and other soul roots and urban blacks won't be quick to just let something attributed to them die down and fade away.
 
maniclion said:
Bands like Pink Floyd, Tool, etc. will survive the generational gaps and continue to inspire the minds of sprite young artists much as they do today.
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Well see in 300 years if anybody is still listening to tool. Actually we won't, because we will be dead. Now don't get me wrong, I love all of the bands you listed. I just don't think they have shit on Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, or Wagner.

Lawl, I laugh just thinking about the prospect of somebody listening to 50cent in 300 years.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
I wasn't trying to make a point really. I was just making an observation. All modern music has shitloads of fans and it's still all over the radio, just as much as classical. No signs of it fading completely away. Like someone said earlier, you can't compare the genres based on assumptions. And like someone else said, grunge is just a sub-genre of rock, so it doesn't really matter. Rock will always be around in some shape or form. Hip-hop also evolved from James Brown and other soul roots and urban blacks won't be quick to just let something attributed to them die down and fade away.
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And techno evolved from disco. How many disco clubs are still around? Give it another 100 years, and disco will be as prevalent as 20's swinger music.
 
KelJu said:
Well see in 300 years if anybody is still listening to tool. Actually we won't, because we will be dead. Now don't get me wrong, I love all of the bands you listed. I just don't think they have shit on Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, or Wagner.

Lawl, I laugh just thinking about the prospect of somebody listening to 50cent in 300 years.
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I think that just like today there will be folks like me with very eclectic tastes for the arts and with hundreds of more genres to choose from they will never get bored, I actually envy them. Look at me today my playlist has included Peeping Tom, Miles Davis w/ Coltrane, Mozart, Primus and WuTang Clan......
 
KelJu said:
And techno evolved from disco. How many disco clubs are still around? Give it another 100 years, and disco will be as prevalent as 20's swinger music.
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No idea. But you still hear disco music all over the place. Just like you hear 60's soul, urban folk, classic rock, swing, country/urban blues, bluegrass, etc. Just because it's not made like it used to be doesn't mean it won't have a shelf life for an infinite amount of time. Again, you can't just make assumptions because I guarantee there have been periods all throughout history where new and exciting forms of music emerged when people thought classical music was all but gone but which wasn't the case at all. How do we know disco will never make a comeback and new disco clubs don't start to emerge again hundreds of years from now?
 
maniclion said:
I think that just like today there will be folks like me with very eclectic tastes for the arts and with hundreds of more genres to choose from they will never get bored, I actually envy them. Look at me today my playlist has included Peeping Tom, Miles Davis w/ Coltrane, Mozart, Primus and WuTang Clan......
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Oh yeah and the beat boxing flutist on youtube, I looked at all of the videos he is in and he is just some obscure guy who plays in a park.....yet his music will be available for years to come now that he has made it on the internet.....our new media will spread the music to the ends of the universe, ancient radio transmissions will be recorded by some aliens on a distant vessel traveling towards our galaxy and when they arrive they will play Freebird as their first communique with us......:p
 
maniclion said:
Oh yeah and the beat boxing flutist on youtube, I looked at all of the videos he is in and he is just some obscure guy who plays in a park.....yet his music will be available for years to come now that he has made it on the internet.....our new media will spread the music to the ends of the universe, ancient radio transmissions will be recorded by some aliens on a distant vessel traveling towards our galaxy and when they arrive they will play Freebird as their first communique with us......:p
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Exactly. Technology is a huge factor.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
No idea. But you still hear disco music all over the place. Just like you hear 60's soul, urban folk, classic rock, swing, country/urban blues, bluegrass, etc. Just because it's not made like it used to be doesn't mean it won't have a shelf life for an infinite amount of time. Again, you can't just make assumptions because I guarantee there have been periods all throughout history where new and exciting forms of music emerged when people thought classical music was all but gone but which wasn't the case at all. How do we know disco will never make a comeback and new disco clubs don't start to emerge again hundreds of years from now?
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He's just never been to Thailand, they had discotheques all over.....
 
We are arguing apples and oranges here, and we are getting away from the point. I was saying that classical doesn't suffer from the same problems that newer music does where someone tries to say it sucks just because one classical composer's music is being played over and over on the radio. Music is subjective. I'm not taking a dumb on anyone's music, I'm simply saying that today's music is mass produced and doesn't have the durability that classical does.
 
maniclion said:
I think that just like today there will be folks like me with very eclectic tastes for the arts and with hundreds of more genres to choose from they will never get bored, I actually envy them. Look at me today my playlist has included Peeping Tom, Miles Davis w/ Coltrane, Mozart, Primus and WuTang Clan......
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I am just like you in that respect. I like Beethoven, Irish Celtic quartets, Tool, Primus, Brandi Carlile, Dry Kill Logic, etc. I love a wide range of musics.
 
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Here is one of my favorites by the lovely Ludwig Van along with some pictures of from one of my favorite movies.
 
Haha, Les Claypool is awesome. "Too Many Puppies" was the first song I heard by him and I was hooked.

The people who listen to Classical understand that it's not all just Mozart, Beethoven, and Bach. I mentioned Tchaikovsky, there's also some one hit wonders like Orff who did Carmina Burana. How about Paganini, Chopin, Rachmoninoff?

My friends and I listen to classic rock like Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, older metal like Black Sabbath, old Metallica, then there's stuff like Stevie Ray Vaughn, the list goes on. Just because the mob listens to the radio doesn't mean that's what an entire generation likes. I meet people my age and younger all the time that listen to stuff from the 80s, 70s, 60s, etc.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
It was a joke son. Ya know how we were comparing classical to rap and you specifically mentioned 50 Cent? Jeez I thought you'd catch on :rolleyes:
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I also have trouble catching sarcasm in person. I'm just retarded sometimes.
 
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