All my M1T research in one post

[patbucks]

Hey, I have done 2 weeks 5 mg of M1T with nothing else, not event post cycle.
I had good gain in strenght, I felt really pumped up during the whole cycle and 1 week after.
I had no side effect at all, maybe I was a little grumpy that's all...
It has been 3 weeks now since I stoped.
I do have lot less energy in the gym, I'm still lifting has heavy as when on it, but I'm getting a lot more tired toward the last sets.

 

[CityHunter]

if what you say is true, and I have a little doubt about it.... you are the the biggest idiot of the world and your nuts are going to be in a big trouble, so do your nipples...... And without a proper PCT you're gonna loose all your gains. I don't understand people who have THE perfect way to learn whith this thread and who don't read anything.....

I'm sure Purdue will enjoy your post..... and tell you how stupid you have been!

 

[Skate67]

so do your nipples......

uhh i though M1T doesnt aromatize?

 

[Purdue Power]

uhh i though M1T doesnt aromatize?

It doesn't aromatize, but when you go off-cycle, your test levels are rock bottom and to compensate for the low levels of hormones in your body, your body pumps out as much of the easiest hormone to produce that it can: estrogen. This is why a lot of people get gyno post-cycle and not during.

And to the idiot...ya, you are crapping out in your lifting because your body has no test production. You are going to lose all of your gains. I am sure that your nipples are looking pretty puffy about right now...maybe even some nice hard balls behind them. Say hello to gyno, dicknose.

 

[patbucks]

I'm not crapping out in my lifting, I'm still lifting pretty well, I just have less energy.
My nipples are not any different then they were before, nothing has change there...

Maybe your right anyway, I'm an idiot just for trying steroids.

It wasn't possible to find any pct anyway for me here in Canada. And that's why I did such a small amount 2 weeks on 5 mg of M1T. And like I was expecting I didn't have no side effect...

 

[CityHunter]

HAHAHAHAHA this is the best joke of the year!!!! Listen to me. I'm a foreign citizen and I was in canada during a couple of months and Canada is the country where you can find all you need the easiest way as possible including Steroids and PCT. Other thing concerning PCT you have apparently internet lol, so it's pretty easy to order nolva whenever you want wherever you are.`

But I think your post is just a fake and nothing more, whatever if you did that I give you the Oscar of jerk

 

[patbucks]

Well I tried to get noval, but the guys were telling me we don't ship to Canada. And I didn't want to ask people in the gym, because it didn't feel right to talk with someone the first time and ask for product like that. I don't know anyone in the gym...

Man you guys are really rude for nothing --- I started to post prior to take the product to know what you guys think. I tried to get noval and it was like no one could help. I figured if I do small amount it shouldn't be that bad. So why so much fuss about that??
Why would I lie? I have been a member of this forum since 2003 and I never lied to anyone.
You have no reason to get upset, because I didn't follow your instruction.

I did what I did and it didn't do what you said.

I still have 14 pills that I want to do for 5 mg a day, but I would sure like to find noval this time. Since I still think it will be better for me, enventhough I didn't have any side effect...

An other guy I know did 10 mg for 2 weeks, and he didn't take nothing for pct, and he didn't stack nothing with it. He told me he had lots of side effect he felt really drag down, is 40 years old. He said he didn't have bitch tits but he was really draged down. People do that all the time, no surprise there. I didn't want to do it, because I was well informed, but since I couldn't wait any longer I figured I'll try and I'll see.

Maybe I didn't get nothing, except for the temper change, because when I split the pills of 10 mg to 5 mg I had put more of the filling into some pills...

 

[Skate67]

bro if you cant get ahold of PCT items, dont even bother considering a cycle. I had my test/deca and clomid but i didnt put one shot in my leg until i got ahold of my nolva. If its any consolation im in canada too...

 

[cormudgen]

Ok,

I started my cycle Sunday night. So far I have taken 4 doses of 10 mg. I have not been able to work out until the evening(finishing around 8) most days. I have been waiting and taking the full dose at that point. Is this OK?

Today is my first rest day, at what point should I take the dose today.

So far I have had no side effects. My blood pressure went from 122/66 to 136/68. That is still highly acceptable.

As far as gains, I have not noticed much yet. I do feel like my workouts have been slightly easier and I have been able to get slightly larger amounts each time. This also may be me really pushing myself because I want to believe this stuff is working so bad in my head. Yesterday I did feel like my pump was a litttle bigger though, and my forearms felt like a rock.

 

[Purdue Power]

You should still split the dose up. I am assuming that you have 5mg tabs, so take each one about 12 hrs apart. I never took a dose right before I lifted since it raises your bloodpressure so much. I usually aimed to get a dose in an hour or so before a workout.

As far as gains, you need to be taking in a lot of food, eating at least 6 times a day. I would aim for 8 times, if I were you. You need to push your workouts hard. Aim for higher weight. If you put it on there, you will get it. You will have more control over heavier weight, and those last 2 or 3 reps, you will be able to push through them much easier.

 

[Pirate!]

Expecting noticable gains in under a week in unrealistic.

 

[cormudgen]

The tablets I have are 10mg a piece. Ist it worth my while to break them apart and do 5mg in the moring and 5 mg after I work out?

I have been eating like a horse. I'm getting around 3200 calories and proxmimately 250+ grams of protein daily. This is WAY more than I have ever eaten and it really is a push for me to do so.

My major question is when should I take the m1 on the rest day? Around middle day? Also should I breakt the tablets into two and do one in the morning and one after workout?

Thanks

 

[Purdue Power]

You can take it all at once, but it would be better to take it in 2 divided doses. It would be best to aim to take the doses about 12 hrs apart so that they are evenly spaced. You can take them at any time, but I wouldn't suggest taking a dose within an hour or so of lifting, because it spikes your blood pressure and you will feel very sick if you try to lift while you bp is so high.

 

[cormudgen]

Ok,

Yesterday was my 7th day of 10mg of M1t. Since starting I have been ensureing to get the hardest workout in possible. I have also been averging 240-260 grams of protein a day.

I have felt NO side effects so far. No headaches, no lethargy, no loss of libidio, no muscle cramps ( i'm eating like 3 bannanas a day ), no itchy nipple, no increased acne. My blood pressure has not jumped either. Before I started it was 122/66 and increased to 136/68, still well within a healthy range.

As far as workougts go, I did my normal 8,8,8 of bench increasing each weight by 10 pounds. I alsmost finished the last set. This is a big improvement for me. This was on my fourth day of takign M1. Saturday I did arms and the swells I got while doing biceps were enourmous in comparison to what I have seen in the past.

I started out weighing an average of 164-167. The past two days I have been at 171-172.

Should I increase my dosage at the beggining of the second week (today) to 15mg of m1t? The pills I am taking are the IDS 10mg capsules. I'm concerned with breaking them in half and have considered just taking 20mg one day and then 10 mg the next.

What do you think I should increase my dosage too?

Thanks

 

[cormudgen]

Any input

I have decided to not alternate the two pills one day and one the next day. From my understanding it is best to keep my testoterone levels at a consistent level. If I still have no side effects this Friday I am going to up the m1t to 20mg a day.

Let me know what you think.

 

[Pirate!]

From my understanding it is best to keep my testoterone levels at a consistent level

Please tell me you don't think M1T provides your body with testosterone. If you are not taking testosterone by injection or transdermal and not using HCG, you have NO TESTOSTERONE right now. I split the IDS caps to half the dose. Took 1 cap in the morning, 1/2 cap at night.

 

[NO2]

why do you people think m1t is so bad it's not i have taken about 4 cycle with just test boost for a pct and nothing for my liver it's not that bad

 

[thepackage]

Ok...I have a lot to say here...

First...Hello everyone..alot of informative information from lots of experienced
M1T users..thats great..and thank you for your feedback!!!!
I've been working out for 10 years...I'm no rookie...poound for pound IM as
strong as they come...a little over a year ago I was lifting 275 for 8 easily..sometimes 10..and 365 deep squats...all this at about 6 foot, 190 pounds and no juice..just creatine and the regular stuff..
However..I think the wear and tear of 10 years have been kicking in..my joints hurt..and due to this my strength has declined..altough my size hasnt much..about 185 now..but my bench is down to about 250 for 7..mostly because of joint pain...I probably just neeed to take an extended break but dont want to....Since IM older now Im looking into something to get me back to top form...and have been considering M1T..and you guys have provided a plethora of information....but we could do without some attitude towards questions ....I saw one Canadian posted that he couldn't get his hands on 4-AD and he was practically ripped to shreads...Well guess what boys...I know lots of people in Toronto and Vancouver..and you simply can't get it in this country...suppliers wont send it..and manufacturers that previously supplied it to Canada don't even make it anymore...Dymatize for instance...Also, not everyone knows what all the short forms stand for, if people can go to the trouble to respond and say"Look it Up" in a demeaning tone..they can say a brief word or two to explain what the supplement is...This is a wonderful tool to share a wealth of knowledge...some people on here are allowed to ask there own personal questions pertaining to their cycles, down times, perceived breast growth, etc...So let's not bash anyone for questions asked...every question is a good question, and no one should be scared off because everyone is here for the purpose of educating themselves and reducing risks...I don't think you guys realize what a great thing you've started here with posting this information..take pride in it..share your knowledge and be nice to those less informed because thats half the reason the thread was started in the first place...
Thanks everyone..

 

[tryn2getbig]

Hey all... I know that this thread was started a long time ago and I am hoping that there are still people out there monitoring or following it... I have read through this whole thread and am going to follow one of the other users... But I still have a question...? Here is the cycle...

1 week prior --- Start 4derm treatment 4 sprays, twice a day

Few days prior --- Start taking Alpha Lipoic Acid

Cycle (ONLY 4 WEEK CYCLE!) --- Take M1T (5mg/day) à

Continue 4derm

1000mcg of B12/day

Lots of Vit C and Echinacea

PCT - Tamoxifen Citrate starting out with 60mg then decrementing 10mg per week till I reach 20mg (Should I also go with 4AD through pct?)

Thanks in advance--

 

[tryn2getbig]

The doseage will actually be 10mg/day for M1T

 

[Du]

Hey all... I know that this thread was started a long time ago and I am hoping that there are still people out there monitoring or following it... I have read through this whole thread and am going to follow one of the other users... But I still have a question...? Here is the cycle...

1 week prior --- Start 4derm treatment 4 sprays, twice a day

Few days prior --- Start taking Alpha Lipoic Acid

Cycle (ONLY 4 WEEK CYCLE!) --- Take M1T (5mg/day) à

Continue 4derm

1000mcg of B12/day

Lots of Vit C and Echinacea

PCT - Tamoxifen Citrate starting out with 60mg then decrementing 10mg per week till I reach 20mg (Should I also go with 4AD through pct?)

Thanks in advance--

its good to see that youve read through the thread, there is a lot of good info in here.

your plan is solid, but i would suggest amending it as follows:

1. start with 5mg E/D. This is not to assess how you react to the hormone, but rather how you react to the side effects. M1T isnt exactly the friendliest of compounds. If, after a week or so, you feel comfortable, then move up to 10mg ED.

2. Do not take the 4derm during PCT. 4derm converts to an active hormone, and there is no point in post-cycling if youre still introducing exogenous hormones. I would suggest finishing up the M1t and 4derm at the same time, and starting nolva the next day.

You dont mention it but i feel it necessary to: do not drink alcohol on m1t. An occasional beer may be OK, but you really need to consider this month as a non-drinking month. Drink lots of water, your liver and kidneys will be under a lot of strain (youll know what i mean after your first piss while on m1t). And eat, eat, eat. Eat clean, eat often, eat big. Workout like a madman. These hormones will allow you to recover faster and handle more per day. Make the most of your four weeks on.

 

[Purdue Power]

I'm sorry I wasn't able to get to your email before you ended up posting on here, T2GB. In your email, you asked about gyno setting in. There is a chance, though it is very low, that the aromatization from the 4Derm could cause breast tissue growth to occur. This will be evident by one or multiple hard, grissle-like balls under your nipple. If this happens, you should start dosing 40mg Nolva/day until it goes away. It is also possible that they could show up during or after your pct. In this case, up your Nolva dosage for a few days until it goes away. You will want to have some extra Nolva around after your pct is done in case it shows up then.

Also, you should take Milk Thistle to help protect your liver.

 

[tryn2getbig]

Awesome advice guys... Thanks a lot! This is my first time using anything harder than any MuscleTech products so I want to make sure that everything is planned out! Oh, and Du, I don't drink anymore. Plus, where I am currently at there is no alcohol aloud for anyone.

A couple questions though, for pct, should I cycle through with 4AD?

Anyone know where I can get the 4AD as well as 4Derm? I have searched for 4Derm and can't find it anywhere.

Thanks again for the advice and I will keep posting my progress as soon as I get everything!

 

[Purdue Power]

You will need to drop the 4Derm at the same time that you drop the M1T. You don't want to run the 4Derm while you are trying to run your pct.

It has been very difficult for people to find 4AD in any form for quite awhile. I wish I could help you out on that one.

I am really glad to see that this thread is continuing to help people out.

 

[tryn2getbig]

Since 4AD is going to be pretty difficult to find, do you recommend anything else that I should use for pct? What about the 4Derm, have you any good sites that I might be able to get that?

 

[tryn2getbig]

Sorry for all of the questions... But the 4Derm, I was thinking of E-Form by Dermobolics. Would this be the correct product? It's a topical spray.

Thanks again for all of your help!

 

[Du]

4derm is now a generic term for a 4-ad transdermal. Any brand would work.

But PP was pretty clear; 4derm is not to be used during PCT. Its a hormone to be taken on cycle, and not post cycle.

If you cannot find the 4derm, youll do just fine to run the m1t on cycle, and nolva post cycle.

 

[Purdue Power]

You will need Nolvadex for your pct. E-Form won't be good enough, in my opinion. You can get Nolvadex from many research sites, or possibly by contacting Pirate. He is a supporter of anti-estrogen researchers.

 

[Serega]

I have a question concerning PCT. If I were to use M1T Plex from Promatrix should I use Vitrix with NTS-5 for my PCT or should I still get Nolva or Nolvadex. Thanks.

 

[Little_Ste]

ANyone suggest any suitable alternatives to Nolva as i'm in England and having difficulties finding any. I can find formadrol as previously mentioned or 6oX0. Would either of these be suitable? I plan to be just usin M1T on its own if thats relevant at all.

Thanks

Ste