An Impeachable Offense?

[BoneCrusher]

A note to anybody and everybody that keeps saying GWB lied about WMD's: You're a fucking idiot. There are official U.N. documents PROVING he had them. British Intel says he had them. RUSSIAN Intel says he had them. Even your boy Kerry said he had them. And the fact that thousands of TONS of WMD's are now floating out there in the hands of who the hell knows doesn't bother you? That's almost as scary as the WMD's themselves.

I have been looking for myself to find some info on the WMD history of Iraq.

This is what appears to be the least political telling of that history I've found yet. I like that it was written by a Brit ... less likely to be politacally motivated.

 

[Stickboy]

Really? And who was that Army officer who was touring the country, speaking to fundamentalist evangelical groups about the War being a christian conflict against Satan? And telling the great story about telling that Somalian tribal leader that HIS God was greater than their God? He just got a little slap on the wrist for not clearing his oft-repeated Holy War remarks through the Pentagon.

If I am thinking of the same situation you are, he was wrong (obviously). What does that have to do with me?

Oh now, don't you think traitor is a pretty strong word? Especially since I'm pretty sure you'd be first in line to buy that shirt if The Party didn't elect the next President. . .

In the sense that you are subscribing to the ideas presented on those shirts during a time of war, no. Probably not strong enough, since our guys are dying over there. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean you should.

I don't wear political shirts, put bumper stickers on my car, etc. Has nothing to do with who is in office.

For the record, I certainly think Bush could have done a few things better. I'm actually an independent, if the truth be known.

I think it's just an effective a joke as those Republican slogans I've seen around here. . .

Yeah, Ok, you got me there. I still think those shirts are some of the most offensive things I've seen in a while - especially since you are recommending people serving in the armed forces wear them.

 

[BoneCrusher]

The shirt that brings into question Deibold's integrity is good. I like that one .

Any shirt put together with the thought that we need to kiss the asses of a great number of peoples and nations and that the shirt should be worn by ANY American sucks.
Fuck that with a big dick.

I'm with Stick on that one. But Stick don't get used to it ...

 

[BoneCrusher]

Here is another look with a timeline that seems very complete. This is long but well worth the read with some interesting and little heard statements.

 

[Rich46yo]

Really? And who was that Army officer who was touring the country, speaking to fundamentalist evangelical groups about the War being a christian conflict against Satan? And telling the great story about telling that Somalian tribal leader that HIS God was greater than their God? He just got a little slap on the wrist for not clearing his oft-repeated Holy War remarks through the Pentagon.

Oh now, don't you think traitor is a pretty strong word? Especially since I'm pretty sure you'd be first in line to buy that shirt if The Party didn't elect the next President. . .

I think it's just an effective a joke as those Republican slogans I've seen around here. . .

Last time I checked even military people have a right to free speech. This IS an idealogical war between the worlds "other" religions and Fundamentalist Islam. It IS because "they" say it is and we only get one vote in the matter. "Our" vote is to live in peace and allow freedom of religion completely,and, we even write it in our constitution. "Their" vote is to consider "everyone else" infidels to be killed like dogs. Fundamentalist Islam, as practiced and exported in country's ran by tyrannical Govt.'s, is a hatefull intolerant religion. Against Christians, against jews, against Buddhists, against everyone that isn't Muslim. If you don't believe me then just go to Saudi,Pakistan,Yemen...ect and try finding a church, or try practicing your faith where the authorities can see you.

The ramifications will run from being expelled, being arrested, and maybe being beat to death in a mob with the religious police watching with approval. Islam, when practiced in a democratic country, is really no more harmful then any other religion. THIS is the reason why were trying to bring democracy and human rights to these various dictatorships.

I hesitate to use the word "they" but "they" do hate us. When I was overseas I played ball with a buddy who had married a Muslim woman. One night he returned home,"they lived off base", and a bunch of Islamists were waiting for him in the APT. They threw both of them off the 3rd floor balcony because he had married a muslim. This was in 1978 mind you. Sound like intolerance to you? To these people the life of an infidel is meaningless.

For decades muslims the world over have financed charity groups that are nothing more then a front for terrorist organizations. Many have openly funded such organizations without even trying to hide their knowledge about terrorist activities. Meanwhile their so-called Govt.'s have obstructed investigations into these finance's, and the phoney organizations behind them. That rotten House of Saud was the worst offender and they would be still if Al Qaeda hadn't made the mistake of attacking them. The Saudis had a handshake agreement with them that they could do what they wanted, and Saudi financing would be allowed, as long as they didn't attack the House of Saud. BTW this was even after 9/11.

But these stupid countrymen of mine have such a narcissistic need to be politically correct and so quick to go on guilt trips over taking common sense measures to protect ourselves. This is a political war yes. But its also a religious war to them. Not to us but it is to them .And as far as Im concerned these muslim terrorist's ARE satan spawned.........take care................... Rich

 

[kbm8795]

Last time I checked even military people have a right to free speech. This IS an idealogical war between the worlds "other" religions and Fundamentalist Islam. It IS because "they" say it is and we only get one vote in the matter. "Our" vote is to live in peace and allow freedom of religion completely,and, we even write it in our constitution. "Their" vote is to consider "everyone else" infidels to be killed like dogs. Fundamentalist Islam, as practiced and exported in country's ran by tyrannical Govt.'s, is a hatefull intolerant religion. Against Christians, against jews, against Buddhists, against everyone that isn't Muslim. If you don't believe me then just go to Saudi,Pakistan,Yemen...ect and try finding a church, or try practicing your faith where the authorities can see you.

The ramifications will run from being expelled, being arrested, and maybe being beat to death in a mob with the religious police watching with approval. Islam, when practiced in a democratic country, is really no more harmful then any other religion. THIS is the reason why were trying to bring democracy and human rights to these various dictatorships.

I hesitate to use the word "they" but "they" do hate us. When I was overseas I played ball with a buddy who had married a Muslim woman. One night he returned home,"they lived off base", and a bunch of Islamists were waiting for him in the APT. They threw both of them off the 3rd floor balcony because he had married a muslim. This was in 1978 mind you. Sound like intolerance to you? To these people the life of an infidel is meaningless.

For decades muslims the world over have financed charity groups that are nothing more then a front for terrorist organizations. Many have openly funded such organizations without even trying to hide their knowledge about terrorist activities. Meanwhile their so-called Govt.'s have obstructed investigations into these finance's, and the phoney organizations behind them. That rotten House of Saud was the worst offender and they would be still if Al Qaeda hadn't made the mistake of attacking them. The Saudis had a handshake agreement with them that they could do what they wanted, and Saudi financing would be allowed, as long as they didn't attack the House of Saud. BTW this was even after 9/11.

But these stupid countrymen of mine have such a narcissistic need to be politically correct and so quick to go on guilt trips over taking common sense measures to protect ourselves. This is a political war yes. But its also a religious war to them. Not to us but it is to them .And as far as Im concerned these muslim terrorist's ARE satan spawned.........take care................... Rich

This would be a much more compelling story if you would ever include religious terrorism in our own country. If you look at the top five causes for hate crimes in the United States, you'd see that religious intolerance is right up there in reports, and these aren't simply small cases of verbal disagreement. Ironically, these are also representative of the groups who now control your favored political Party here. We've already discussed one military officer who has traveled around the country speaking to evangelical groups about this being a "christian" holy War in describing both our involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as Somalia. Then we have the recent trial of a former Army Ranger, whose evangelical devotion caused him to start casing abortion clinics and gay bars in Florida for firebombing. He got off with the minimum sentence and the judge refused to consider him a "terrorist" since he wasn't representing a "foreign" religious belief - he was following the teachings of his own American "christian" church. As he prayed during the deliberations and sentencing, a look of relief came across his face as he received the minimum sentence, followed by a look of surprise that he'd have to serve his time at an institution that wasn't located next to his family's town.

It's easy to see how American religious persecution is on the upswing. As the heated debate over same-sex marriage erupted, with the fear broadcasted weekly from rightwing churches, the number of violent hate crimes against those Americans have doubled - the latest being the brutal mutilation of a teenager in Alabama who was beaten and strangled far beyond death and his body burned.

As for religious freedom, you apparently haven't been watching many of the Party's religious televangelists, who not only rage against every other religion on this planet as inferior, but also brand denominations within this country who disagree with their interpretations as "unchristian" - all while sponsoring a dozen pieces of federal legislation designed to make their brand of "christianity" the official religion in this country. As part of this campaign, they regularly refer to other American religious groups as people "who have to be dealt with." Pat Robertson himself remarked about his admiration for a rightwing "christian" dictator in the Congo (where he had personal diamond mine interests), who had turned all the nation's public schools into christian education forums and told the Muslims in the country to make their own schools. The media became nothing more than a "christian" broadcasting network. Pat loved telling the audience that this was a role model for how a truly christian nation should operate.

As a big supporter of The Party this year, you'll be supporting a platform that advocates federal tax monies being given to (only) evangelical "charity" groups which are the only entities by law in this country who are allowed to abrogate employment discrimination laws. They also are often allowed to deny services to groups they deem "not religiously acceptable." The Party also supports legislation that will establish an official national "hymn," a law that will allow someone to use their "religious" beliefs at work to both discriminate against others but to deny customer services to those they consider "sinners." In Michigan, one law was recently passed (supported by The Party) that allows medical practitioners to refuse to treat someone who they decide engages in behavior that violates their religious beliefs. So what road do you think our own country and "freedom of religion" is traveling down?

 

[Rich46yo]

"""""""""So what road do you think our own country and "freedom of religion" is traveling down?""""""""""""

If you think were on the same road as "them" then I suggest you jump on an airplane sometime,travel 1/2 across the globe, and see how "they" operate. Its a different ballgame my friend. I dont remember seeing Pat Robertson ever cut someones head off for the camera. I dont ever remember the American Christian right forcing "and I mean force" woman into chad ors,bondage, and ignorance. Ive never seen any religious police patrolling shopping malls here carrying batons to beat girls for talking to boys, or vica-versa. For every one nut case we have that would bomb an abortion center here "they" have millions of the faithful that would stone a woman to death for even thinking of having an abortion.

Our homosexuals are protected by the law,police ,and the courts. "Their" homosexuals are arrested , tried, and are stigmatized horribly for the rest of their lives. That is if they survive the beatings. When someone "here" describes all this as a holy war they are marginalized ; "There" they are just one of millions, or are considered hero's.

Your attempt to link all those who are opposed to same sex marriage with some lunatic who would beat a kid to death just because he's gay is pretty pathetic. Its a common tactic among the left-wing, to portray all those that oppose them as nutcases or fringe criminals. I guess your all for free speech as long as it parallels your own positions right? I'm against gay marriage but unlike you Ive risked my life to personally bring gay-bashers to justice. So you think I have a right to an opinion?

Remember 9/11? Yaknow what this nitwit media calls that attack now? They call it a "tragedy". I always thought an earthquake or a hurricane was a tragedy, maybe a car wreck or a flood. When people talk about Pearl Harbor do they call it the "Pearl Harbor tragedy"? Was the USS Cole a "tragedy", or the khobar towers? Beirut marine bombing? Original WTC? The Africa embassy? And the thousands of other murderous acts by these Muslim fanatics?

Wahhabi Islam IS a terrorist religion. It IS barbarous ,and intolerant, bent on domination, and they make the Pat Robertsons of America look like boy scouts,Or; Is Pat studying at flight schools and trying to make a dirty bomb? These bastrds also have a sophisticated propaganda machine churning out bullshit to garner support in the world, as well as split the American people and turn us against our own Govt. .And they have had success at it too. Much of the political left here has turned into very useful idiots for them. Osama himself said that you know. He said "we will kill them by using their own stupidity against them".

And to compare our own religious right with these murderous zealots? Kid you must have led a very sheltered life!.....take care...............Rich

 

[maniclion]

They aren't Wahabi. The Wahabi don't beleive the jihad should start until Mahdi comes and Jesus returns then they together shall force repent and slaughter the unfaithful.

Don't forget the worst fanatic of all time, Hitler a "christian" who used parts of Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent compiled as The International jew in Mein Kampf. Talk about your useful idiots.

 

[ZECH]

After Gulf War #1 the U.N. weapons inspectors went into Iraq and documented thousands of TONS of illegal WMD's. One of the main resolutions that resulted from that discovery was that Iraq (Saddam) was required to destroy every one of those weapons and have their destruction witnessed and documented by U.N. inspectors. What did Saddam do instead? He tossed out the inspectors. Now we go back in and don't find the weapons. Do you think he went ahead and destroyed the weapons out of the goodness of his heart? I don't. I think he hid them. Where? I have no freakin' idea................and THAT is what scares me. It's also why I support Saddam's ouster 100%. Now I support finding out exactly where all those tons of weapons are today.

A note to anybody and everybody that keeps saying GWB lied about WMD's: You're a fucking idiot. There are official U.N. documents PROVING he had them. British Intel says he had them. RUSSIAN Intel says he had them. Even your boy Kerry said he had them. And the fact that thousands of TONS of WMD's are now floating out there in the hands of who the hell knows doesn't bother you? That's almost as scary as the WMD's themselves.

DG gives Albob a standing ovation. Well said! Agree 100%

 

[shutupntra1n]

I was all for the Iraq War when it started. "Yes, they are linked to terrorists, and Al Queda, they're bad, let's take them out, blah blah blah. " But since then, the truth has come out, and it disgusts me. No one has found stockpiles of weapons, or missiles or nerve gas. No WMDs at all.

Reports state that intelligence reports were rushed, and those that supported the administrations views were heeded, but those that urged caution, were not.

Since then, it would appear that Bush lied. And if he lied about taking us to war, isn't that an impeachable offense?

And if he did, isn't this the scandal of our time? I mean, really? Where is the outrage? Isn't taking advantage of public sentiment -ie- anger and revenge for & about 9-11- and directing it toward another nation well, - wrong? This makes Watergate pale by comparison, should the whole story ever see the light of day.

Here's my sources: Read for yourselves.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&c=3&s=cornweb2
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5677812/

The argument that we have not found piles of weapons is old and you're beating a dead horse. I think you should take your anti war statement and say it right to the 18 yr old boy who is giving up his life so you can peacefully post here.

Every guy I know that has frequented Iraq in the last few years says we should be there. How about we let the real uniform bearing heroes speak the truth. I'm tired of the average joe's that have never served in war making such a big deal why we should or shouldnt be there.

STFU and support our troops already

 

[pmech]

^^^^^

 

[ZECH]

The argument that we have not found piles of weapons is old and you're beating a dead horse. I think you should take your anti war statement and say it right to the 18 yr old boy who is giving up his life so you can peacefully post here.

Every guy I know that has frequented Iraq in the last few years says we should be there. How about we let the real uniform bearing heroes speak the truth. I'm tired of the average joe's that have never served in war making such a big deal why we should or shouldnt be there.

STFU and support our troops already

how you doing?

 

[shutupntra1n]

how you doing?

Fuggedaboudit... How U doin???

 

[Dale Mabry]

The argument that we have not found piles of weapons is old and you're beating a dead horse. I think you should take your anti war statement and say it right to the 18 yr old boy who is giving up his life so you can peacefully post here.

Every guy I know that has frequented Iraq in the last few years says we should be there. How about we let the real uniform bearing heroes speak the truth. I'm tired of the average joe's that have never served in war making such a big deal why we should or shouldnt be there.

STFU and support our troops already

Since when is liberating a country that I am not a part of allowing me to post on the internet. Chris Rock said something quite truthful on a comedy special I saw. "If Iraq was such a big fuckin threat to us, how come it took two weeks to take it over?" If you really believe Iraq was our next biggest threat you are extremely disillusioned. You know who our biggest threat is? The same one that flew 2 planes into our buildings. The same one we never completely took apart in Afghanistan. The same one planning attacks as we speak. Al Qaeda. What idiot starts a second war when they haven't even finished the first one. OBLs head should have been on a platter before we even discussed Iraq.

Oh, and one of my buddies is a loadmaster in the Air Force in Dover. A main part of his job is to fly bodies back. Everytime he comes back he tells me we have no business being over there and that we are YEARS away from getting out of there. He said it is sad, but he is treated with alot of disrespect by the Iraqi people everytime he flies over there.

Oh, and no one over here is saying that the troops are wrong, they are saying Georgie led these troops into a war based on false pretenses.

 

[shutupntra1n]

Since when is liberating a country that I am not a part of allowing me to post on the internet. Chris Rock said something quite truthful on a comedy special I saw. "If Iraq was such a big fuckin threat to us, how come it took two weeks to take it over?" If you really believe Iraq was our next biggest threat you are extremely disillusioned. You know who our biggest threat is? The same one that flew 2 planes into our buildings. The same one we never completely took apart in Afghanistan. The same one planning attacks as we speak. Al Qaeda. What idiot starts a second war when they haven't even finished the first one. OBLs head should have been on a platter before we even discussed Iraq.

Oh, and one of my buddies is a loadmaster in the Air Force in Dover. A main part of his job is to fly bodies back. Everytime he comes back he tells me we have no business being over there and that we are YEARS away from getting out of there. He said it is sad, but he is treated with alot of disrespect by the Iraqi people everytime he flies over there.

Oh, and no one over here is saying that the troops are wrong, they are saying Georgie led these troops into a war based on false pretenses.

I don't know when the last time you sat in a Marine office getting ready to sign release papers for employment??? I went that route already dear. When you dedicate your life to the military you do not have the "option" of particitpating in war. My father faught in Nam which was highly unacceptable by far more people than today's war but for a minute would I ever so much as think of disrespecting him by saying he shouldn't be there. Military is a voluntary job. If it wasn't you would be there too. I don't care what the reason, I pray for my troops and trust they are doing the right thing. Shame on you and your buddy for spitting on the dead bodies of those who died for the concept of freedom. In the midst of a dead 21 yr old man/woman that had young babies and a beautiful wife at home, the last thing anyone should be doing is saying why that man should not be there. Bush did not force anyone to war. These men laugh at the face of danger and volunteer to fight no matter what the cause so that you and I may stand in a country that will not be overpowered. If you don't think Sadam, Osama, Iraq and Al Qaeda are all intertwined then you are watching the wrong news channel. I watched my father walk into the south side of the Pentagon for work days before it was blown up... If you don't think I fell to my knees on Sept 11th because it almost took my father from me at 20 years old!

 

[shutupntra1n]

It's sorta like people that say they hate cops b/c of an isolated incedent. I am going into law enforcement and I hope that the least the citizens of the township can do is appreciate the daily sacrifice I make to ensure their safety.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Shame on me, no, shame on Bush for sending them. And I have news for you, every job is volunteer, you have the choice to do it or not, no one holds a gun to your head at your office. It's not as if these people in the military are not getting paid. I am not disresepcting the troops, I am sticking up for them. Sticking up for them for having to go to a war that was obviously based on false pretenses. If being a threat was the biggest issue, we would have gone to N Korea and disassembled that reactor they were using. Problem is N Korea has no oil.

I don't get your logic. By your logic, if someone told you to do something and I knew that the reason for doing it was unjust, I shouldn't tell you. Here is a scenarion, what if your boss told you to turn up the heat in the building and you were told it was to prevent something from freezing over when in all reality the purpose was to kill the people on the top floor? Would you not want someone to tell you. Using your logic, the nazis were just doing their jobs. Now I am not saying you are justifying what was done in Nazi Germany, I am making a point that your logic is completely off.

Your problem is that you are not separating the troops from the real problem, the president. It's not like the troops woke up one morning and said, "Hey, let's take over Iraq." They were ordered to do it by Bush. Disagreeing with Bush is not the same as not supporting the troops. Even if the troops decided it was an unjust war and refused to fight, they would be so fucked it is ridiculous. The troops have no choice, it is fight or go to jail and never work again.

 

[pmech]

Wow Dale, you just compared what we are doing to Nazis.... Normally I am with you on your statements but that is going to get you some well justified backlash, there are lines to cross and that isnt one of them.

 

[ZECH]

The troops know that when they enlist. They know they could be sent anywhere in the world for any reason at all. But yet they still enlist. I would wager that a very small percentage (less than 5%) complain about being there. Most I know consider it an honor to serve regarless if they agree with Bush or not. It's just like with Clinton. Most despised him (as proven by the military vote in 2000) but you didn't hear them compalin about going into Kosovo.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Wow Dale, you just compared what we are doing to Nazis.... Normally I am with you on your statements but that is going to get you some well justified backlash, there are lines to cross and that isnt one of them.

No, I did not even remotely compare what we are doing to Nazis, what I said was that shutupntrain's logic would justify what the Germans did. Two completely different statements.

 

[tomas101]

Wow Dale, you just compared what we are doing to Nazis.... Normally I am with you on your statements but that is going to get you some well justified backlash, there are lines to cross and that isnt one of them.

no he didnt...read it again

 

[Dale Mabry]

no he didnt...read it again

Thanks Tomas, I definitely do not want to be misunderstand in that direction.


Oh, and pmech, Steven WILL be hearing about this.

 

[pmech]

I understand you did not call our troops nazis, but the statement and comparison, even if only in logic is there. I am saying I would have chosen another way of expressing the idea you were trying to bring across.

 

[shutupntra1n]

The troops know that when they enlist. They know they could be sent anywhere in the world for any reason at all. But yet they still enlist. I would wager that a very small percentage (less than 5%) complain about being there. Most I know consider it an honor to serve regarless if they agree with Bush or not. It's just like with Clinton. Most despised him (as proven by the military vote in 2000) but you didn't hear them compalin about going into Kosovo.

I agree with you 100%. I don't think these troops need to be defended for a choice they made and they do feel honorable serving. I love how the first president we have in a long time that has some decency in his own private life and has morals gets bashed. For anyone who believes in the christian faith we all knew the war would turn this way. I'm so glad I have a clear concise understanding of why things are happening and that God has the end result control. Back to my original statement... There were thousands of missionaries that were able to go overseas to minister the word of God b/c we are there. That's God's work in it's pure form.

 

[pmech]

I already talked to Roger and he will stop that chain of communication for me.

 

[BoneCrusher]

It is being said in this thread that someone who doesn't subscribe to the "WMD's are out there somewhere theory" and who doesn???t rah rah our troops involvement in Iraq is someone who doesn't support our troops.

I can do both ... I can respect the people in uniform while wishing for their safe return home and question our government???s reasons for sending the men and women who wear it into war. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

With all due respect we all have friends and family in the service. We all know someone that we care about that is in the line of fire. The family, friends, neighbors, and internet friends who are in the service that I talk to tell of the great things which are being done there by our troops such as the rebuilding of schools, power plants, hospitals, bridges, and agricultural infrastructures. We have ended a tyrant???s rule and given the people control of their country???s resources. We have enabled them to build their own form of government. We have stabilized the area from this tyrant and secured the world from the threat he posed.

I just wonder whom we should save next after we are done in Iraq. There are so many more schools, power plants, hospitals, bridges, and agricultural infrastructures that need to be rebuilt that it is hard to know where to send our troops next. We have so many tyrants to topple and countries with people who need to have control their country???s resources. We should enable them all to build their own form of government. We can stabilize every area and dismantle the tyrannical régimes in power while securing the world from the threats that these régimes pose. We can be a great help to so many countries that it boggles the mind on where to start.

I guess since Syria is hiding the 3000 missing tons of Saddams' WMD until he gets free and since Syria is sponsoring terrorism we could help them out some. We all know that the Paki's are hiding something so maybe they should receive some of our help as well. We could go on a world tour and save the planet while leaving military bases in every region we have helped to ensure the follow up support they so richly deserve.

Of course we would need to expand our military budget again ...

 

[maniclion]

How about we invade America Samoa where 67% of the children live in poverty?

The problem now is that the Iraqi's while glad to be rid of Saddam are now torn by how to feel about Americans "occupying" for oil, even though they know Saddam used them for the oil money also they don't see a difference. As time drags on they are getting more upset.

What really makes me laugh is that the same Conservatives that say fuck supporting our poor here through welfare will now have to spend billions on welfare for Iraq along with paying off the war, but God help us if we raise taxes.

 

[Rich46yo]

How about we invade America Samoa where 67% of the children live in poverty?

The problem now is that the Iraqi's while glad to be rid of Saddam are now torn by how to feel about Americans "occupying" for oil, even though they know Saddam used them for the oil money also they don't see a difference. As time drags on they are getting more upset.

What really makes me laugh is that the same Conservatives that say fuck supporting our poor here through welfare will now have to spend billions on welfare for Iraq along with paying off the war, but God help us if we raise taxes.

How are we "occupying for oil"? Were paying thru the nose for it! And theres a difference between helping our poor and supporting welfare lifestyles. I have to work overtime to pay the bills, drive an 8yo car, have bills coming in everyday, And I don't have a right to ask questions when I see a 19yo single welfare mom, with three kids, moved into a new "free" condo, driving a 03 Lexus,buying $30 of lottery tickets every day, and out with her 3yo in tow at 0300 going from one party to the next?

YaKnow I was out on patrol once watching these 4'th generation welfare moms, barbecuing and getting high on da poach one day. And it hit me like a stone from the sky, right between the eyes. "WERE THE FUCKING STUPID ONES"! Were the ones working our asses off, paying for welfare,Iraq,star wars, $4,000 toilet seats...ect And we do so right up to the day we keel over from the big one. Imagine how stress free life would be if we sat around all day barbecuing, drinking wine coolers and The Bull, smoking dope, watching cable, and making more babies to pump up that link card.

Only in America can everyone with a scam get a monthly check. And now that lard-asses can claim their weight as a disability? Watch out now! All momma has to do is eat more fried chicken and rib tips and theres another monthly check heading her way.

Manlicon my job would change even you.. You couldn't hide from reality doing my job, as it is you've created a nice, safe fantasy world for yourself.

""""""""""What really makes me laugh is that the same Conservatives that say fuck supporting our poor here through welfare """"""""""""""

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah "supporting our poor""" Oh shit thats funny

............................take care............ ..................Rich

 

[Rich46yo]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

They aren't Wahabi. The Wahabi don't beleive the jihad should start until Mahdi comes and Jesus returns then they together shall force repent and slaughter the unfaithful.

Don't forget the worst fanatic of all time, Hitler a "christian" who used parts of Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent compiled as The International jew in Mein Kampf. Talk about your useful idiots.

 

[maniclion]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/osama_sect.htm He is Qutbist if anything.


http://www.ahle-sunnat.org.uk/spy_1-7.html
"The scientific work carried on to explore these meanings and to apply the right ones to the right cases, is called Ijtihad. Performing ijtihad requires having profound knowledge. For this reason, the Sunnis prohibited ignorant people from doing ijtihad. This does not mean to prohibit ijtihad. After the fourth century of the Hegiral Era, no scholars were educated so highly as to reach the grade of an absolute mujtahid [scholar profoundly learned (enough to perform ijtihad)]; therefore, no one performed ijtihad, which in turn naturally meant the closure of the gates of ijtihad. Towards the end of the world, Isa (Jesus) 'alaihis-salam' shall descend from heaven and Mahdi (the expected Islamic hero) shall appear; these people shall perform ijtihad."

That means only when Jesus returns with Mahdi shall judgement be passed, so Osama bin Laden is'nt following the strict orders of their prophet.