An Impeachable Offense?

[maniclion]

How are we "occupying for oil"? Were paying thru the nose for it! And theres a difference between helping our poor and supporting welfare lifestyles. I have to work overtime to pay the bills, drive an 8yo car, have bills coming in everyday, And I don't have a right to ask questions when I see a 19yo single welfare mom, with three kids, moved into a new "free" condo, driving a 03 Lexus,buying $30 of lottery tickets every day, and out with her 3yo in tow at 0300 going from one party to the next?

YaKnow I was out on patrol once watching these 4'th generation welfare moms, barbecuing and getting high on da poach one day. And it hit me like a stone from the sky, right between the eyes. "WERE THE FUCKING STUPID ONES"! Were the ones working our asses off, paying for welfare,Iraq,star wars, $4,000 toilet seats...ect And we do so right up to the day we keel over from the big one. Imagine how stress free life would be if we sat around all day barbecuing, drinking wine coolers and The Bull, smoking dope, watching cable, and making more babies to pump up that link card.

Only in America can everyone with a scam get a monthly check. And now that lard-asses can claim their weight as a disability? Watch out now! All momma has to do is eat more fried chicken and rib tips and theres another monthly check heading her way.

Manlicon my job would change even you.. You couldn't hide from reality doing my job, as it is you've created a nice, safe fantasy world for yourself.

""""""""""What really makes me laugh is that the same Conservatives that say fuck supporting our poor here through welfare """"""""""""""

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah "supporting our poor""" Oh shit thats funny

............................take care............ ..................Rich

Of course if you see someone abusing the system do something about it, but don't assume everyone on welfare is abusing it. Some just can't manage to make ends meet after there spouse passed away fighting in Iraq.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I agree with you 100%. I don't think these troops need to be defended for a choice they made and they do feel honorable serving. I love how the first president we have in a long time that has some decency in his own private life and has morals gets bashed. For anyone who believes in the christian faith we all knew the war would turn this way. I'm so glad I have a clear concise understanding of why things are happening and that God has the end result control. Back to my original statement... There were thousands of missionaries that were able to go overseas to minister the word of God b/c we are there. That's God's work in it's pure form.

Why would you bring this up if this isn't a religious war?

Bush has decency? Doing coke, avoiding responsibilities, DWI. I am like Mother Theresa standing next to this guy and I am FAR from Mother Theresa.

 

[shutupntra1n]

Why would you bring this up if this isn't a religious war?

Bush has decency? Doing coke, avoiding responsibilities, DWI. I am like Mother Theresa standing next to this guy and I am FAR from Mother Theresa.

TO say that religion does not play the basis in every war is ignorant. By decency I meant respect for his family unlike Clinton. The basis of a good man begins with his self respect. I don't recall Bush ever denying his mistakes. Nobody is perfect but at least he is a good God fearing man that has morals. Of course if you do not have any forsight on religion you will not see that every war has been built on religious fundamentals. Religion and politics fuel every world matter. Where have you been?

 

[Rich46yo]

Irrelevant. Osama is an opportunist and reactionary. "He" is not the only member of this Islamic movement,indeed he has always been more then willing to ally with other Islamic terrorist organizations regardless of their political and/or religious affiliations. The simple fact remains that Wahhabism has been the driving force behind the finance of Al Qaeda and the development of new members, chiefly thru the Wahhabi fiananced and influenced madrasses "religious schools" located thruout the poor countries of the region. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/Saudi/fazul/ Pakistan is a primary terrorist breeding ground but there are many others.

Now of course theres a sophisticated campaign, financed thru Saudi oil money, to make the wahhabis look more gentle and caring. Its wasnt so much 9/11 that prompted this,"they could give a shit about 2,000 infidels being murdered," as it was Al Qaeda making the terrible strategic decision to attack the Saudi monarchy. Up until then, even after 9/11, Al Qaeda had a hand shake deal with the house of Saud that they could do whatever they wanted as long as they didn't attack the house of Saud. If they didn't start attacking targets in Saud Arabia they would still be collection suitcases full of cash from wahhabi donors in the kingdom.

These same wahhabi donors were forced to make a decision, either they are for Al Qaeda or for the House of Saud. "Most", at least publicly, came out for the monarchy. I guess they liked having their palaces,9 Rolls Royces in the garage, and harems of 9yo Sudanese and Bangladeshi boys and girls to rape. These Saudi A-rabians are about as two-faced a bunch of lieing cocksuckers as you'll ever find on this planet. This link of Manlicons is an example of their campaign of lies. They are trolling all their bullshit on the internet to influence American public opinion. Remember right after 9/11 the Saudi commercial showing our flag and their flag flying together? I almost puked at that one.

Manlicon you should know better then to dissiminate such ridiculous propoganda like this. The link between wahhabism,the madrasses, and terrorism is so well documented that any Saudi financed campaign that says otherwise is laughable.

But boy they keep trying don't they?.....take care.................................Rich

http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/osama_sect.htm He is Qutbist if anything.


http://www.ahle-sunnat.org.uk/spy_1-7.html
"The scientific work carried on to explore these meanings and to apply the right ones to the right cases, is called Ijtihad. Performing ijtihad requires having profound knowledge. For this reason, the Sunnis prohibited ignorant people from doing ijtihad. This does not mean to prohibit ijtihad. After the fourth century of the Hegiral Era, no scholars were educated so highly as to reach the grade of an absolute mujtahid [scholar profoundly learned (enough to perform ijtihad)]; therefore, no one performed ijtihad, which in turn naturally meant the closure of the gates of ijtihad. Towards the end of the world, Isa (Jesus) 'alaihis-salam' shall descend from heaven and Mahdi (the expected Islamic hero) shall appear; these people shall perform ijtihad."

That means only when Jesus returns with Mahdi shall judgement be passed, so Osama bin Laden is'nt following the strict orders of their prophet.

 

[Rich46yo]

"""""""""Of course if you see someone abusing the system do something about it, but don't assume everyone on welfare is abusing it. Some just can't manage to make ends meet after there spouse passed away fighting in Iraq"""""""""""""

Like what? build them new condo's? Make a welfare lifestyle so inviting that its passed down from one generation to the next? See you think Im only talking about a few welfare cheats here, when in reality Im talking about entire populations of healthy people. Entire neighborhoods! Entire tribal areas! And to make it even more insulting "they" still think they are victims!

And your right, "We" Republicans dont like financeing welfare lifestyles for these lazy people. They are lucky Im not President, if I was I'd close up 90% of the welfare offices in America and hang a sign on the door, "GET A FUCKING JOB". There aint a damn thing wrong with these people except they are lazy and dont want to work. Man I'd love to put you in my squad car for a week Manlicon. You'd come out a changed person. I love it when Im making a report for one of these queens and have to ask them "do you work,do you have a work phone #"? They always reply indignantly, "Oh I dont work"!!!!! As if I insulted them with the question and shouldnt have asked it in the first place.....take care...................Rich

 

[Dale Mabry]

TO say that religion does not play the basis in every war is ignorant. By decency I meant respect for his family unlike Clinton. The basis of a good man begins with his self respect. I don't recall Bush ever denying his mistakes. Nobody is perfect but at least he is a good God fearing man that has morals. Of course if you do not have any forsight on religion you will not see that every war has been built on religious fundamentals. Religion and politics fuel every world matter. Where have you been?

You have no idea how refreshing it is to hear someone actually admit this, most will not especially those in the religious right.

 

[maniclion]

These Saudi A-rabians are about as two-faced a bunch of lieing cocksuckers as you'll ever find on this planet. This link of Manlicons is an example of their campaign of lies. They are trolling all their bullshit on the internet to influence American public opinion. Remember right after 9/11 the Saudi commercial showing our flag and their flag flying together? I almost puked at that one.

Manlicon you should know better then to dissiminate such ridiculous propoganda like this. The link between wahhabism,the madrasses, and terrorism is so well documented that any Saudi financed campaign that says otherwise is laughable.

But boy they keep trying don't they?.....take care.................................Rich

A ha, you've fallen well into my trap. So are you still voting for Bush? Cause come Sept. 28 a little surprise is coming that will open some more eye's.

http://www.gregpalast.com/index.cfm

http://www.gregpalast.com/bff-dvd.htm
The Bush Family and there ties to Saudi Royalty.

After Bush took office, he said, "there was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off" from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off-limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations -- at least before 9/11 -- began to die.

CIA and other agents told BBC they could not investigate the spread of ???Islamic Bombs??? through Pakistan because funding appeared to originate in Saudi Arabia.

It's obvious, even to a full-bore Conservative like you can see that Saudi Arabia is very responsible for 9/11 yet Bush attacks their neighbor to open the oil to them and put's restrictions on investigating the Bin Ladens and any Saudi connection to the terrorists because it will turn up dirt on him. You want to know the truth in this day and age just follow the Money Trail.

 

[gr81]

The basis of a good man begins with his self respect. I don't recall Bush ever denying his mistakes. Nobody is perfect but at least he is a good God fearing man that has morals.

I think this is one of those joke things that people have told me about, I have heard about them and this one is defn funny. good job!

serisouly you must have your head in an igloo dear,... a man with morals you say??.... never denying he has made mistakes you say?? ha ha, please.. you are the one in denial and apparently haven't been paying attention when this administration took a national crisis and used it as a front to impose upon the country an extremely consertive right wing agenda that has taken hold. This country is extremely EXTREMELY conservative right now, and for no apparent reason other than the idiotic statement that if you disagree with anyone in the west wing you are unpatriotic. It is also ridiculously naive to make the statements you made, not only has been not admited mistakes, he displaced blame onto anyone in the near vicinity. He went against every advisor he had and went flying head first into a war which he had not thought through by a week... so now what? jesus christs, I am so god damm tired of politics I could vomit. get a clue people

 

[Stickboy]

gr81, put down the pipe man.

Facts are facts. Perhaps you should look a few up, instead on relying on others to supply the information.

Jeez.

 

[Dale Mabry]

gr81, put down the pipe man.

Facts are facts. Perhaps you should look a few up, instead on relying on others to supply the information.

Jeez.

And where per se do you get your info, right from GWs mouth? Everyone here relies on others to provide info, it's just that peeps on the right only believe peeps on the right and vice versa. That leaves the truly independent thinkers standing around with no unbiased source.

 

[maniclion]

And where per se do you get your info, right from GWs mouth? Everyone here relies on others to provide info, it's just that peeps on the right only believe peeps on the right and vice versa. That leaves the truly independent thinkers standing around with no unbiased source.

That's why you have to listen to both sides and analyze the situation yourself.
Relying on media clips taken out of context will easily lead to brainwashing. Also take down key points in the speeches and then do a little research to learn the credibility of the speaker.

 

[Rich46yo]

There is no question about the influence the Saudis have been able to wield in American political circles, and has been so ever since Saudi Arabia became such a hot commodity. Just imagine how many secret suitcases full of oil cash have floated around the halls of power in Washington, with both democrats and republicans They have had to much influence ever since Eisenhower. With this I agree with you on. I despise the fucking Saudis!

And its true they have been overly-influential with both Bush administrations, quite possible more so then any other president. I don't know. But I also believe the extent of their crimes was a surprise to many, including me, after 9/11. Yeah I knew about the madrasses, and about Al Qaeda, and how much they hated us. But I didn't know the extent of the support, money,materials, personal, coming from Saudi Arabia. When we were invading Iraq I was telling people we were bombing the wrong A-rabs.

But fate is a funny thing. That goat-herder Osama, while quite bright in some areas had his head up his ass when he ordered attacks on the House of Saud. Fanatics do that yaknow, they make decisions based on emotionalism. And thus they make mistakes. Osama did something America could never have accomplished even with a bombing campaign. He turned the House of Saud with us, if only for its own survival. I told you once before a dictatorships first order of business is to survive itself. And heres another tidbit of info for you, The Saudis were the main, and only, financiers of Saddam's bomb. Thats right, right up to Gulf-l the Saudis were paying for Saddams nuclear program, with the understanding they would share in the weapons when the program produced them. Brazil was part of the triangle and was developing the IRBMs to house the nukes.

And France gave Saddam the reactor at Osirak, which the jews bombed. And while were at it the main Israeli weapons reactor at Dimona has a "made in France" label on it. The Saudis are trying to buy nukes from Pakistan, whom got their blue prints from China, China is trying to sell IRBMs to the Saudis who are trying to buy nuclear infrastructure from anyone,"yes Saudi efforts to get the bomb have been going on for a long time". And most of the Chem/Bio infrastructure for the weapons programs of Middle Eastern country , and their pre-cursors, were supplied by west Euro firms.

And so the saga of middle east relations goes on and on. I always tell others that they should never underestimate these arabs. They are both intelligent and subtle, and will smile in your face while they are sticking it in your back. The only ones who truly understand them is the Israelis, whom are also a desert people.

I hold no illusions of GW Bush, his father, or of any republican. I look at it as a choice between two men, and I sure as shit aint gonna vote for Kerry. I make up my own mind on matters. Most times it coincides with the conservative viewpoint, sometimes the Liberal viewpoint. But the one who holds the blame the most for not going after both Al Qaeda and Osama is Bill & Bull Klinton.

I wonder how many suitcases they have buried behind some trailer park in Arkansas?..........take care.......Rich

 

[maniclion]

So if you know Bush is doing bad things and Kerry can't make up his mind why don't we just get together and put Nader on top?

 

[TheGreatSatan]

I'd vote Nader if he had a chance, otherwise it seems like a waste.

 

[maniclion]

That's 3 votes for Nader right? How many more are on this same mindset right about now?

 

[gr81]

gr81, put down the pipe man.

Facts are facts. Perhaps you should look a few up, instead on relying on others to supply the information.

Jeez.

hey stickboy, instead fo just blindly brushing off what I said as stupid, howabout addressing what I said and telling us exactly what it is you disagree with. that makes for a much more productive debate. otherwise we are just wasting our time. how do you know whaere I got my research from or who I am quoting. you don't you are just assuming again. Either contribute or shut your mouth, but posts like that are a waste of space.

 

[gr81]

That's 3 votes for Nader right? How many more are on this same mindset right about now?

dude a vote for nader is a vote for Bush. thats hows hes gonna sneak this one in the back door and win it. Nader ain't gonna win, so lets put our votes where they will do teh most good and defeat Bush. I mean I like Nader just as much as the next guy but Cmon

 

[Rich46yo]

Because Naders a flake and has no chance of winning...take care..........................Rich

 

[maniclion]

That's my point. So many people have become so sick of the Dueling parties that if we put our heads together we would all agree on Nader, but the system now has us fighting for the lesser of the 2 evils. Just ask around; If it was a three way tie and your vote was the breaker who would you vote for? I asked several of my co-workers and most said Nader cause Bush lies too much and Kerry the ex-whistleblower is too busy tooting his own horn.

I just hope this election sets a precedent for future elections to come that we need to start looking to alternative Parties cause the 2 we have now are so locked into oneway tracks they have so many teetering in between. Conservative-Liberals, Moderate-Conservatives? Come on it's obvious a split is needed.

 

[BoneCrusher]

First off, the Electoral College will decide the outcome ... not the American people.

Secondly, Bush has mucho game there since he is part of a dynasty stretching back 40 years. Bush's whole crew is a collection of power players. They probably drew straws to decide who was gonna do what job when they took power.

Third ... Kerry is screwed in the electoral vote as he has no game ... nothing but cash. No real back ally-fighting skills. He will get stomped. Gore had the help of Clinton in the mosh-pit of 2000 and still got beat. Kerry has nothing but a clueless lawyer as a running mate.

Hitlery and her boy Bill are not gonna give Kerry any major help cuz she wants in on the next election when there will be no real Republican competition. Bush will have just finished putting a serious screwing to the American public and the Democrats will be poised to rush in and save the day with Hitlery at the lead.

I am a Bush hater now and will vote Kerry (Kerry is a waffle serving lil bitch) just to make a statement. The election will be decided not by our votes, but by Bush's back ally tactics in the Electoral College. Bush is on too much of a rampage to stop right now and that really sucks. If we do not get Kerry in office now, then Hitlery will be our Prez in ???08.

As a Republican with an independent perspective I am more afraid of what Hitlery Clinton with Bill as the First Lady could do when they go for the Whitehouse than anything a waffle boy like Kerry could do. Kerry would only be a one term Prez anyway.

 

[BoneCrusher]

I would love to be able to do that Manic ... real world solution is not in that though.

 

[Stickboy]

Why would you bring this up if this isn't a religious war?

Bush has decency? Doing coke, avoiding responsibilities, DWI. I am like Mother Theresa standing next to this guy and I am FAR from Mother Theresa.

What does any of that have to do with NOW?

Kerry admited he commited war crimes. THAT makes him qualified? Give me a break. You shouldn't even be allowed into politics if you've commited war crimes.

 

[Rich46yo]

War itself is an atrocity. If we condemed every American fighting man who commited a war atrocity we'd have very few combat vets walking the street free. The ones who write the rules on how to fight a war are a bunch of lawyers who have never been shot at. In the heat of combat the rule books are basicaly thrown away. Ive said a lot about Kerry but one thing he is not is a war criminal. I'd have shot the enemy with 50 cals, or shot one in that back too. what are you going to do? Let him get away to shoot at you again?

Kerry is a fool and a backstabber for his actions after the war but hes not a war criminal. Regardless how I feel about Nader it is important that he runs. Manlicon is right, every time we only have two candidates we do lose a bit more of freedom. America was always support to be a country of citizen politicians. Now it seems all we get are professional bullshit artists.......take care.........Rich

 

[Stickboy]

Kerry said he commited atrocities that were not in line with the Geneva Convention. What would you call it, Rich?

He stated that himself.

 

[Rich46yo]

Kerry said he commited atrocities that were not in line with the Geneva Convention. What would you call it, Rich?

He stated that himself.

I know what he said, and what he did. In my opinion hes not a war criminal, Vietnam was not Geneva. If the only weapon you had available to shoot an enemy with was a .50 machine gun would you use it? Thats just my opinion, how would you call him a war criminal and not someone in a B-52 that releases the bombs?

Kerry was a fool and a political opportunist for his actions during and after Vietnam but not a war criminal. His calling himself that, at the time, was just another of his shamelessactions to win votes. If that war was popular at the time he would have been drapeing himself in a flag. War itself is a criminal. Unfortunatly we are still forced into it, and probably always will be in our lifetimes. The real criminals of Vietnam were the assholes in LBJ's administration, and the shitkicker himself, that put those boys in the terrible place without a plan for winning/withdrawel, who micro-managed it, and then later blamed the Nixon admin for its failure. John Kerry is many things, but I do not believe he was a war criminal. Then again as much as I despised Bill Klinton I didnt believe , at the time, that the blowjob thing, and even his lieing about it, was a good enough reason to remove a sitting president.........................................................................take care.................Rich

 

[Stickboy]

See, I judge people by their actions, normally. Since Kerry is a walking, talking sack of shit, I am willing to use terms as he decribes himself. He said it first.

The Clinton blow job was something else entirely. He went in front of the American people and said it didn't happen. In other words, he lied about it, and because he himself is a sack of shit, I felt it was more than enough reason to remove him if possible. Call me crazy, but I think the Presidency should be held to a higher standard.
No morals, no character, and a liar to boot? Yeah, I say he should have been removed, but impeachment is good enough.

I admit, I fucking hated Clinton too.

 

[Du]

No morals, no character, and a liar to boot? Yeah, I say he should have been removed, but impeachment is good enough.

I admit, I fucking hated Clinton too.

Amen to that.

 

[Rich46yo]

I despised Klinton, and still do. He was/is a lieing scheming sack of shit. But he won the election fair and square and it takes something more serious to remove a President from office,but, thats just my opinion. There has never been a President that didnt lie, or any Politician for that matter.

Pathetic tho, wasnt it? How his Liberal cabal was shrieking,whining,accusing,sueing, and stomping their feet at the evil Republican conspiracy that was out to get Bubba. When you just know if it was a Republican president in the same hot seat they'd have been screaming "watergate" and crying for impeachment and indictment. Same thing with their little rat pack of Hollywood and media shitbirds.

And the sad thing is Klinton isnt personaly shamed at all at what he put the country thru with his nonsense.....take care................Rich

 

[cman]

Y'all just watch. This traveling circus called the Bush White house is going down. You say the media has a liberal bias? Clinton couldn't even sneeze but a reporter was all over his butt, and then they investigated him over a land deal and a BJ? Please! Every president has lied at one point or other, but what was the consequence of the lie?
We got a war going on and the media is all talking about a war record from 35 years ago for two weeks straight? It kinda makes me wonder...
And you think Abu Ghraib was some GI's having perverted fun? Man, that was just wrong, and it dont take rocket science to figure that out.
We need a special prosecutor lookin into this dude, cause he's got more secrets than Nixon.

I notice you have "Democracy is not a spectator sport"

What democracy? we are a republic. know what kind of govornment we have before giving political advice.

Say the pledge, and think about what i said.

"and to the Republic"

You must get your news from CNN

 

[Luke9583]

I beleive the phrase is "democratic republic" But i have been known to be wrong.