Andro/Trib/DHEA supplement

[samat631]

should i cycle this or can i just stay on it as long as i want (like creatine) ?

this supplement raises natural testosterone production right?

 

[ZECH]

I would not even take it!

 

[samat631]

why? health risk ? or it just doesnt even work?

 

[Arnold]

what supplement is it?

 

[samat631]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/atd.html



been reading around....reading good stuff about this one...
oh yea, i finnnnaally found the answer to my own question...

seems that it is recomended do a month then take a week off, or 5 days on 2 days off...but the product raises natural test production....so why would u need to cycle it...sorry if this doesnt make sense to you guys....help me out

 

[ZECH]

Product is crap. Won't do anything but give bad sides. Save your money for something else!

 

[Arnold]

it will probably raise your estrogen more than your testosterone!

Assuming that you're over 21 years of age...

if you're looking for a PH, look at 1-AD, 4-AD or 1,4 Andro or even a 19 Nor.

Go Here: Prohormones

 

[darklight]

Carfull with some products and with theyr merchandisig...

 

[samat631]

thnx for the advice guys....im afraid to take stuff tho like 1-test or real roids cus id freak out if my nuts shrank

 

[samat631]

wait.... Androstenedione increases natural testosterone, correct?

 

[Power Rabbit]

Androstenedione is a weak little brother to 1AD...its gives as many sides as 1 ad and no where near the results

 

[samat631]

but if you take it , will your body stop producing its own testosterone?

 

[plouffe]

Yeah, Your nuts will shrink.. but don't be sceeeerrrd. They come back after 1-2 weeks of PCT. I was scared myself when they strunk.. like 1/3 normal size, but after 2 weeks of Liquid Nolva there back. I missed them. hehe.

 

[samat631]

just bought some of this andro shit....mark mcguire used it seemed to work for him.... im just worried about the aromitizing effects....gyno....omg scarey shit...does 6-oxo work?

 

[darklight]

somo ppl say yes! You have also Nolva... For anti-es!

 

[samat631]

so basically the 2 important things for post cycle are something to keep estrogen levels at check, and something to recover your natural test levels?

 

[Arnold]

about the only thing you will get out of that Andro product is higher estrogen, you just wasted your money.

I gave you a link for good PH's.

 

[ZECH]

You're gonna look good with little titties!

 

[Power Rabbit]

Androstenedione is the reason why ph's are not illeagel..that the only reason why anyone should like it.....like i said before, it will give as much sides(if not more) than 1ad or 4ad and wont give any where near the gains...

informed people dropped andro for 1AD/4AD long ago

heres a good article by big cat
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catproh.htm

and heres the main part you should look at

Androstenedione (4-androsten-3, 17-dione)

Target Hormone: testosterone
Molecular name of target hormone: 4-androstene-3-one,17??-ol
Target conversion: average (5.61 %)
Conversion enzyme: 17-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (17HSD)
DHT conversion: High (both off andro and its target hormone)
Estrogenic effects: High, aromatisation of compound and target hormone

It's the most hotly contested prohormone that has given very mixed results in studies and tests. That's not surprising. It's highly androgenic and very prone to cause side effects. It's also one of the weaker prohormones. Its low conversion rate coupled with the fact that less than half of the eventual testosterone is free testosterone doesn't make it one of my favorites. Personally I've sworn off androstenedione, and anyone thinking of using prohormones to get serious gains, should do the same. Andro is what we owe the statute of supplement to that prohormones currently enjoy. That statute is only given when something is naturally occurring AND found outside of the body. Lucky for us andro was found to be present in Scotch Pine tree bark (yeah I know, and you wondered why those highlanders are so big). Andro was first discovered in the 30's and its original anabolic effects were exploited as early as the 50's. It wasn't cleared for supplementation until the 90's so you can understand the hype. The FDA has a strong clamp on prohormones and a move was made to ban them, but a few companies have footed the bill for an extensive legal campaign (still ongoing) that seems to have saved prohormones for supplementation, at least for the time being

Because of the highly androgenic nature, chance of aromatisation prior to conversion and the low yield of eventual usable testosterone, andro is something I feel shouldn't even be sold anymore. I mean, I'm grateful it exists or prohormones wouldn't be legal, but it's obviously being surpassed by all the other prohormones. To me andro is merely hair loss and tits in a bottle. Only a few companies still use it and they aren't exactly market leaders in the quality of supplements (Pinnacle and Muscletech for example.)

 

[Var]

Originally posted by samat631
just bought some of this andro shit....mark mcguire used it seemed to work for him.... im just worried about the aromitizing effects....gyno....omg scarey shit...does 6-oxo work?

The fact that Mark McGuire "supposedly" used it, is no reason to get on it yourself. I'm a little skeptical...I'd suspect he was running real gear. Who knows? The point is, there's MUCH better shit available to you than what you bought. Try to bring it back, or just suck up the $ loss and buy something that will work. As far as your nuts shrinking...I understand totally why it freaks you out, but any (effective) PH you use WILL shrink your nuts after a few weeks. Goes with the territory.

 

[samat631]

i see...thnx bro i really appreciate the info. i think im gonna use what ive got now, cus ive never used prohormones before and it seems like a good one to start out with...before jumping into stuff like 1-test/ad stacks. i just found a connection for getting stuff like clomid which is cool

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by samat631
i think im gonna use what ive got now, cus ive never used prohormones before and it seems like a good one to start out with...before jumping into stuff like 1-test/ad stacks.

you really do not read anything people post do you?

 

[Var]

Originally posted by samat631
i see...thnx bro i really appreciate the info. i think im gonna use what ive got now, cus ive never used prohormones before and it seems like a good one to start out with...before jumping into stuff like 1-test/ad stacks. i just found a connection for getting stuff like clomid which is cool

I'll see if my girlfriend has any old bras laying around. She could probably hook you up with a couple.

 

[samat631]

i wonder if i can return this shit lol

 

[Var]

Seriously, I wouldnt use the stuff. Try to bring it back or throw it away.

 

[Var]

btw...I have a bottle of AST andro thats been sitting in my cupboard for years. Couldnt bring it back, dont want to give it to someone, and dont want to use it. Basically, made an impulse buy like you did. Just gotta cut your losses and move on.
Not sure why I havent thrown it away yet.