AndroDrive v3 is here -- Fearlessness, Motivation & Unlimited Stamina

[Primordial]

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IronMag members,

The new AndroDrive is here -- AndroDrive v3

Finding the motivation and stamina to carry through workouts is virtually impossible without sufficient neuroactive androgen levels. (1-8) AndroDrive v3 delivers the strongest neuroactive androgens found in the human body -- which pushes blood levels past the ???androgen threshold" reshape the physique and carry through workouts with inexhaustible stamina. (8-20,24,25)

Our first AndroDrive v3 tester, Kevin A., noticed improved motivation and intensified workouts within only 2 weeks -- with virtually zero side-effects. See the interview here -

Kevin A. - AndroDrive - YouTube
Download the full case report here.​

How is AndroDrive so effective?

• Highly Dosed - Contains the highest dose of androgens found in any natural androgen product
• Highly Neurogenic - Super DHEA & PREG is 5x more effective than regular DHEA for increasing motivational energy & improved body composition (12-21)
• Highly Absorbable - Bypasses the liver and increases blood androgen levels for nearly 24hrs

What are the active ingredients?

The androgens in AndroDrive include -

Super-5-DHEA - This naturally occurring androgen easily convert to DHEA-sulfate (DHEAS), which enhances reaction time, motivation, while reducing hesitation and fear. Super-5-DHEA also boosts testosterone activity over 1200ng/dL*, bringing the body into the ideal "fat burning range". (21-31)
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Super-5-PREG - This naturally occuring neurosteroid easily converts to pregnenolone sulfate, which balances and enhances the mental effects from DHEA-sulfate. (20)
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Together, these androgens mimic the power of true injectable testosterone -- with a bioequivalence of 100mg/week injectable testosterone enanthate -- so you can make significant gains without breaking the law. (11-23)

*From a baseline of 500ng/dl total androgen activity level.



AndroDrive = Androgens for the Brain & Body

Unlike most stimulants, the benefits of AndroDrive are long-lasting, and slow building.

Typical stimulants are usually effective for several hours, at which point they clear the body and make you crash.

AndroDrive is not a typical stimulant -- it works by developing and strengthening neurons throughout the brain and nervous system which enhances electro-chemical signal strength. These effects develop over the course of several weeks, and can be semi-maintained even after discontinuing AndroDrive. (43)

The results from AndroDrive are dramatic and noticeable when complemented with heavy lifting and a high protein diet.

Effects after 1-2 weeks ???

• Increased motivational energy
• Reduced hesitation and fear
• Reduced appetite

... And then after 3-4 weeks ???

• 4-6lb lean mass increase
• 2-3% drop in body fat
• Dramatically increased exercise stamina

AndroDrive = Less Side-Effects

AndroDrive was painstakingly optimized to bring maximum results with minimal side-effects -- it???s unlike anything on the market.

Side-effects from AndroDrive are temporary, and may include mild insomnia or restlessness. Some men may notice improved general health while supplementing with AndroDrive, since low androgen (testosterone) levels can lead to diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and depression. (32-34)

AndroDrive = Easy Recovery

A rapid and complete recovery of natural testosterone production, ensures the maximum gain retention.

Users of methylated orals and injectable steroids often struggle from a prolonged recovery, due to the highly suppressive nature of these types of steroids. (35-36) Recovery from these compounds can take months, or even years. (35-38) This makes it extremely difficult to maintain gains, sex-life, and mental health.

AndroDrive has one MAJOR advantage over the alternative -

24hr Release - Mimics the body???s natural rhythm (LH & FSH secretion)
The single daily dose of AndroDrive rises and falls within a 24 hour period. This ensures levels fall back to ???pre-dose??? levels every 24 hours, allowing natural testosterone production to be stimulated. This prevents testicular shrinkage, shutdown and prolonged recovery. (39,40)
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Since AndroDrive contains only androgens naturally produced by the body, they are easily metabolized and cleared from the body -- This allows users of AndroDrive to fully recover in 15 days or less.


AndroDrive = Superior Delivery

AndroDrive utilizes the new Liqua-Vade 24HR Delivery technology -

• Highly Bioavailable- Fat soluble androgens absorb up to 98% and bypass the liver
• Highly Reliable - Maximum absorption is not dependant on food intake
• Highly Convenient - Only ONE daily dose required for 24hr timed release of androgens

We accomplished ultra-high bioavailability by utilizing fat soluble ???fatty ester??? hormones which are absorbed by the ???fat uptake??? (lymphatic) system, seen here -

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AndroDrive = Cost Effective

When priced against the nearest competition, AndroDrive is at least 200-1000% more cost effective. (41)

In fact, we encourage you to compare for yourself. Plus, consider the things you DON???T need with AndroDrive -

• Liver, kidney, or blood pressure support
• Little blue pills to keep "things working"
• Harsh "research grade" PCT drugs
• Needles & sterilization

Primordial Performance = The #1 Source for Androgens

Primordial Performance is the industry leader in natural androgen supplements for men. Since 2006 our mission has been clear -- maximize the male hormone environment without comprimising health. Our products are backed by thousands of positive reviews, success stories, and detailed case reports.

We take responsibility for our customers and take pride in the following -

• Most Trusted - Established industry leader since 2006 with an ???A??? reliability rating by the BBB
• Exceptional Quality - 100% purity & identity testing
• Knowledgeable Staff - Hormone specialists available from 9-5pm PST (Phone/Email/Chat)
• Industry Innovator - Nearly 100% of profits are reinvested into future R&D

Order Now = Get Started Tomorrow

It can be difficult or nearly impossible to make progress to your physique with low androgen levels. If you are tired of being stuck in a plateau, take action now -- and give your body what it needs to take your progress to the next level.

Remember, AndroDrive gives you -

• Proven Safety - Extensive in-house blood data confirms exceptional safety profile (42)
• Proven Effectiveness - Improved physical and mental performance in less than 4 weeks (43)
• Proven Natural & Legal - Non-toxic naturally occurring androgens are found in the food supply (44,45)

If quality, safety, and effectiveness are important to you -- AndroDrive is your #1 choice.

Head over to primordialperformance.com and order AndroDrive now.

The coupon code 232FREESHIP will get you FREE ground FedEx, or USPS priority shipping.​

Thank you for your support.



Eric Potratz
Primordial Founder & President


Questions?

Phone ??? 1-503-841-6702
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41. Based on comparison to "natural androgen" based supplements, including DHEA and pregnenolone products.

42. Based on in-house blood data and case studies. Download white papers here - AndroDrive

43. Based on in-house case studies. See "Research" tab here - AndroDrive

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[ryansm]

Any members here running AndroDrive?

 

[JCBourne]

No offense, but your saying androdrive gives more motivation energy and self confidence then injectable testosterone or dianabol (dbol)?

That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

 

[HereToStudy]

No offense, but your saying androdrive gives more motivation energy and self confidence then injectable testosterone or dianabol (dbol)?

That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

What is hard to believe? This product's design is strictly for neuro-stimulation.

 

[packers6211]

I will be running my soon bro's on here as well as Ironfreakz, BBD, AM, and Steriology. I can't wait and I am adding Dermacrine as well as tcf-1 if I can find that anymore lol.

 

[JCBourne]

What is hard to believe? This product's design is strictly for neuro-stimulation.

Because it's complete bull crap. Your results are based off of what? Your comparing a OTC drug to something that is illegal, which injectable steroids are you comparing to and how are you ranking them?

If you don't have a independent company giving this comparison, then your information your posting is nothing more then marketing at it's finest.

You saying that your AndroDrive is BETTER at giving motivation and self confidence then dbol or test?

Either you've never ran either,never read the results people get from dbol/test or are just being a rep, whichever of the 3 your just lying out your teeth.

 

[Primordial]

Because it's complete bull crap. Your results are based off of what? Your comparing a OTC drug to something that is illegal, which injectable steroids are you comparing to and how are you ranking them?

Sorry... didnt transfer this over from the website -

1. "Injectable Steroids" represents 400mg/week testosterone enanthate
2. ???Methylated steroids??? may include 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol (Superdrol), 17b-hydroxy 2a, 17a-dimethyl 5a, androstan-3-on azine (Dimethazine), 4-chloro-17a-methylandrosta-1-4-diene-3-17-diol (Halodrol), 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol (Epistane)

You saying that your AndroDrive is BETTER at giving motivation and self confidence then dbol or test?

Either you've never ran either,never read the results people get from dbol/test or are just being a rep, whichever of the 3 your just lying out your teeth.

Ive used and consulted with others who have used each and every compound listed in our comparisons. The Drive undoubtedly causes a more profound motivational effect than injectable test or any methylated compound.

-Eric

 

[JCBourne]

Sorry but your research/data is not valid or reliable comparing test to your product. I've personally used your products and saw nothing. You have great marketing i'll give you that. Please do not state your AndroDrive is more of a self-confidence boost and motivator then injectable test without a huge sample size.

 

[Vibrant]

I sort of agree with JCBourne(I know who you used to be bro lol). Your products are dhea based so I have a hard time believing that they can even come close to dbol or test. Im not saying that your products dont work, which Im sure that they do to some degree.

if you are saying that AD V3 is two times better than injectable steroids for your health and you say it boosts your test levels to 1200ng/dL, if it does all that why dont you get with a pharmaceutical company and approve this for TRT patients?

 

[JCBourne]

^ Got bored of the name, but glad you know iam as you know im a very true and honest person. I agree with you on your points, that is a very valid question. If it were better then injectable test TRT docs would have been all over this way before PP invented their product.

 

[ryansm]

Sorry... didnt transfer this over from the website -

1. "Injectable Steroids" represents 400mg/week testosterone enanthate
2. ???Methylated steroids??? may include 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol (Superdrol), 17b-hydroxy 2a, 17a-dimethyl 5a, androstan-3-on azine (Dimethazine), 4-chloro-17a-methylandrosta-1-4-diene-3-17-diol (Halodrol), 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol (Epistane)



Ive used and consulted with others who have used each and every compound listed in our comparisons. The Drive undoubtedly causes a more profound motivational effect than injectable test or any methylated compound.

-Eric

I haven't used AD yet but I can certainly vouch for AH and AM so far, amazing compounds and I have ran many

 

[Vibrant]

I haven't used AD yet but I can certainly vouch for AH and AM so far, amazing compounds and I have ran many

Im not really trying to be a dick and I do think your products work but you answered neither my question or JC's.

What I pretty much want to say is be careful with your marketing, you're starting to sound a lot like muscletech. IMO, you're turning some aas vets away because of your over hyped claims.

 

[ryansm]

Don't see any to answer

 

[Primordial]

Sorry but your research/data is not valid or reliable comparing test to your product. I've personally used your products and saw nothing. You have great marketing i'll give you that. Please do not state your AndroDrive is more of a self-confidence boost and motivator then injectable test without a huge sample size.

You've used AndroDrive?

We didn't say its more of a confidence boost. Its more of a motivational boost, and I dont need a huge sample size to tell me this.

Ive personally seen guys on 1000mg/week of test who "saw nothing". A non-responder doesn't take legitimacy out of the androgen. These products convert to active androgens, they bind to the AR, and they initiate a genomic response.

In this particular case with Androdrive -- we have GABA antagonism, NMDA and Sigma-1 activation... which is not an effect we get from injectable testosterone. (atleast to any significant amount)


-Eric

 

[Primordial]

I sort of agree with JCBourne(I know who you used to be bro lol). Your products are dhea based so I have a hard time believing that they can even come close to dbol or test. Im not saying that your products dont work, which Im sure that they do to some degree.

if you are saying that AD V3 is two times better than injectable steroids for your health and you say it boosts your test levels to 1200ng/dL, if it does all that why dont you get with a pharmaceutical company and approve this for TRT patients?

The gains from AndroDrive are really nothing like dbol. The neurogenic effects are far beyond dbol, and the anabolic effects are far weaker. The side-effects are significantly less however.

I can address any question you have, but would prefer to address one issue at a time. If there is a particular claim you disagree with, I probably have at least a few references to back it up with.

-Eric

 

[JCBourne]

What I pretty much want to say is be careful with your marketing, you're starting to sound a lot like muscletech. IMO, you're turning some aas vets away because of your over hyped claims.

Exactly. Over hyped claims is dead on. This is was very true with the last andro series. Pictures of guys before and after. The before shots were dark lighting, bloated looking (obvious) and bad angles. The after shots were guys in perfect lighting, oiled up, sucking in. It wasn't a coincidence either that the pictures looked like this even though the claims were "these are actual users" if it had been then the same lighting, date with newspaper and poses should have been used.

As far as the side effects of "AndroDrive" I think is very misleading. Do you have a large sample size, with years of studies and research on the product? If not, comparing "AndroDrive" side effects to injectable test is INVALID. Plus, on 400mg of test a week those "side effects" would be worse case scenario.

I'm sure there are people who have results from your products, some of your old products got very good reviews from what I read but when you go to the extreme you guy's are continuing to go it drives people like me mad because some guy is going to think he's going to get this amazing body from running your products. The flip side to that coin is that your marketing is absolutely killing it in a good way and I give you mad props for that. Your website is very picture friendly and the design of the bottles and the layout is perfect.

I returned your old AndroLean because I saw little to nothing from it. The rep I spoke with was also a jerk trying to 1-up me and tell me why the product didn't work because of my diet, trust me... I'm no guru in the diet department but I surely knew a lot more then your rep was giving me credit for. He basically made me sound like I was an idiot and didn't know what I was doing and stating it was my fault the product didn't work. However, it's been reported (even within this forum) that AndroLean was basically a fail, I don't care to find this info but a rep of yours stated there was issues with AndroLean, however that the rest of the Andro line had good results.

I'll end it on there. Please don't try to compare your product to injectable test it's very misleading. If your product is really all it cracks up to be you should get with a TRT specialist and have them test it on guys, maybe even get your product FDA approved if its really that great.

Best of luck to you guys on your quest.

 

[banker23]

No offense, but your saying androdrive gives more motivation energy and self confidence then injectable testosterone or dianabol (dbol)?

That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

Can't say that my dbol kicker/test cycle that I am currently on necessarily makes me motivated. It has meade me stronger but I don't feel any differently about getting to the gym until I get there.

Maybe this stuff is comparable to what I hear about HALO (never tried it so can't say) but without the bad sides. PP's stuff delivers as promised for the most part in my experience so I'll be trying some of it (probably the AM and AH ver.3) once I get through PCT and take a few months natty.

Their AM/AH combo was in some ways better than the 500mg weekly test I am currently on and I didn't even run it in an optimal configuration because it was my first hormonal supplement and I didn't know enough. It's a good product to start on though because chances of doing serious damage (due to ignorance) are alot less than AAS IMO.

 

[banker23]

Im not really trying to be a dick and I do think your products work but you answered neither my question or JC's.

What I pretty much want to say is be careful with your marketing, you're starting to sound a lot like muscletech. IMO, you're turning some aas vets away because of your over hyped claims.

PP's no muscletech! Muscletech's not on boards like this taking fire from "AAS vets" with its CEO providing responses directly to anyone who has questions. I think the marketing is designed to PROVOKE questions and conversation leading to clarification so that's a good thing in my book. Not many companies have this level of contact with their customers.

 

[MattPorter]

Exactly. Over hyped claims is dead on. This is was very true with the last andro series. Pictures of guys before and after. The before shots were dark lighting, bloated looking (obvious) and bad angles. The after shots were guys in perfect lighting, oiled up, sucking in. It wasn't a coincidence either that the pictures looked like this even though the claims were "these are actual users" if it had been then the same lighting, date with newspaper and poses should have been used.

As far as the side effects of "AndroDrive" I think is very misleading. Do you have a large sample size, with years of studies and research on the product? If not, comparing "AndroDrive" side effects to injectable test is INVALID. Plus, on 400mg of test a week those "side effects" would be worse case scenario.

I'm sure there are people who have results from your products, some of your old products got very good reviews from what I read but when you go to the extreme you guy's are continuing to go it drives people like me mad because some guy is going to think he's going to get this amazing body from running your products. The flip side to that coin is that your marketing is absolutely killing it in a good way and I give you mad props for that. Your website is very picture friendly and the design of the bottles and the layout is perfect.

I returned your old AndroLean because I saw little to nothing from it. The rep I spoke with was also a jerk trying to 1-up me and tell me why the product didn't work because of my diet, trust me... I'm no guru in the diet department but I surely knew a lot more then your rep was giving me credit for. He basically made me sound like I was an idiot and didn't know what I was doing and stating it was my fault the product didn't work. However, it's been reported (even within this forum) that AndroLean was basically a fail, I don't care to find this info but a rep of yours stated there was issues with AndroLean, however that the rest of the Andro line had good results.

I'll end it on there. Please don't try to compare your product to injectable test it's very misleading. If your product is really all it cracks up to be you should get with a TRT specialist and have them test it on guys, maybe even get your product FDA approved if its really that great.

Best of luck to you guys on your quest.

I will say this -- I am not surprised your results were sub-par from OLD androlean.....I had my doubts when we released it. The 7oxo w/plain DHEA just wont pack the punch needed and while some folks got good results, nothing stellar. On the flip-side -- Old AndroMass v2 DID pan out the way I thought it would.

It delivered results to that of an old-school "Mag-10" which put 15lbs on me in 3 weeks. I am the first person to expose false, phony, bunk products....however when I had my personal friends use Andromass and gain 12-15 lbs in 4 weeks I even step - back and say "Damn, it is working how we wanted it too."

I put together the Beta-Tester program and all the testers were watched strictly. To be honest I had my doubts to choose such "unimpressive guys" but we figured they are more realistic to MOST people and not Bodybuilders who are already jacked outta their mind.

Even though the testers gained 10, 12, 14, 20+ lbs......they still looked unimpressive ----that is just genetics and lack of muscle mass and as outsiders were used to seeing too many FAKE muscletech, photo shopped before & afters....that something so real is unimpressive...

As far as DRIVE being more neuro stimulating than test / dbol.......I took it for 5 days and became very paranoid and alert. I was also on stims which could have exacerbated the effects but trust me -- the DRIVE is neurologically driven due to the hormone break-down (not up for argument).

So people gaining 10-15+ lbs on these cycles is VERY comparable to testosterone at 400 mgs ---- not really hard to believe once you actually stop and think for a second.

-Matt

 

[ryansm]

Exactly. Over hyped claims is dead on. This is was very true with the last andro series. Pictures of guys before and after. The before shots were dark lighting, bloated looking (obvious) and bad angles. The after shots were guys in perfect lighting, oiled up, sucking in. It wasn't a coincidence either that the pictures looked like this even though the claims were "these are actual users" if it had been then the same lighting, date with newspaper and poses should have been used.

As far as the side effects of "AndroDrive" I think is very misleading. Do you have a large sample size, with years of studies and research on the product? If not, comparing "AndroDrive" side effects to injectable test is INVALID. Plus, on 400mg of test a week those "side effects" would be worse case scenario.

I'm sure there are people who have results from your products, some of your old products got very good reviews from what I read but when you go to the extreme you guy's are continuing to go it drives people like me mad because some guy is going to think he's going to get this amazing body from running your products. The flip side to that coin is that your marketing is absolutely killing it in a good way and I give you mad props for that. Your website is very picture friendly and the design of the bottles and the layout is perfect.

I returned your old AndroLean because I saw little to nothing from it. The rep I spoke with was also a jerk trying to 1-up me and tell me why the product didn't work because of my diet, trust me... I'm no guru in the diet department but I surely knew a lot more then your rep was giving me credit for. He basically made me sound like I was an idiot and didn't know what I was doing and stating it was my fault the product didn't work. However, it's been reported (even within this forum) that AndroLean was basically a fail, I don't care to find this info but a rep of yours stated there was issues with AndroLean, however that the rest of the Andro line had good results.

I'll end it on there. Please don't try to compare your product to injectable test it's very misleading. If your product is really all it cracks up to be you should get with a TRT specialist and have them test it on guys, maybe even get your product FDA approved if its really that great.

Best of luck to you guys on your quest.

The hormones we use are as extensively studied as testosterone, we have sourced all of our info on the site and how we came to the claims we make. The pics you speak of were from the customers who PAID for the product, we had no control over nor did we ask for them to do anything to the pictures they sent. (We posted what we got). I'm currently running AM V2 and AH V3 and have gained well over 10 pounds in less than three weeks, these products work and there are tons of positive reviews from customers who again PAID for the product that not only agree but are returning customers. AL V2 didn't pan out which is why we listened to the customers and completely changed the product. I apologize that you didn't receive the help you wanted from one of us reps, we try to be professional, sometimes we try to point out reasons for an unsuccessful cycle because we believe in these products and have used them ourselves. We do not hide from these arguments either, even when they are from other company reps, and provided a money back policy even paying an extra 10% back to the customer. Your opinion is welcome, but in our defense we are nothing like muscletech, our products are innovative (not just the AndroSeries) and they work.

 

[dravenraven]

i don't know about this stuff, there are things that are iffy. The pictures you guys use on your website and advisements for this stuff are crazy. The guys used look completely juiced. But the actual videos for the guys that ran the androseries look okay, you can't really tell if they used anything. Kind of makes someone question things. When someone trys to sell you AAS and shows you a picture of Arnold etc. They have good reason to.

 

[ryansm]

i don't know about this stuff, there are things that are iffy. The pictures you guys use on your website and advisements for this stuff are crazy. The guys used look completely juiced. But the actual videos for the guys that ran the androseries look okay, you can't really tell if they used anything. Kind of makes someone question things. When someone trys to sell you AAS and shows you a picture of Arnold etc. They have good reason to.

Pretty sure that's Matt, and he uses PP products

 

[banker23]

i don't know about this stuff, there are things that are iffy. The pictures you guys use on your website and advisements for this stuff are crazy. The guys used look completely juiced. But the actual videos for the guys that ran the androseries look okay, you can't really tell if they used anything. Kind of makes someone question things. When someone trys to sell you AAS and shows you a picture of Arnold etc. They have good reason to.

The "Arnold" style pics are just marketing pics. No one is going to use a guy with 20% bodyfat to sell their product- that just makes sense. When I bought their stuff I had no expectation that it was going to transform me in 6 weeks anymore than I expected that from any PWO drink, natty test booster, protein supplement, etc. that uses the same marketing images.

The before and after pics do show changes and remember most of these are 6-8 week cycles so these are pretty profound changes for a short period of time.

One thing I will say most of the guys that PP uses are skinny little guys to begin with so maybe that has something to do with it. 5% lbm gain on a 140-170 lb. guy is substantially less than 5% gain on a 220-240 lb. guy. Unfortunately pics never seem to tell the whole story. There's a whole chapter in Arnold's ecyclopedia of modern bb'ing dedicated to photography.

I know my "after" pics were probably less than impressive with my dirty laundry on the floor, harsh bathroom lighting and cartoon penguin shower curtain in the foreground. Still I went from 230-245 in 7 weeks, substantially increased all my lifts, and actually kept gaining a little through PCT (actually kept gains and added to them).

I'm doing a test cycle right now and I have to say the gains have been comparable. I went from 245-255 the first 5 weeks and dropped back down to 245 after the dbol ran out. I increased the test dose to 750mg ew and am holding weight constant while running a small calorie deficit. I plan to use the remaining 4 weeks to lean out.

Pricewise they are comparable since you don't need alot of ancillaries or international shipping and wire xfer costs that you have to include when pricing out a cycle. If you use more than one source then you end up with multiple shipping and payment costs as well. And I don't have to worry about getting in trouble.

 

[MattPorter]

Pretty sure that's Matt, and he uses PP products

I think they got me on MASS (back shot) and LEAN (serratus)

But -- the ORIGINAL pictures from Version 2 ---absolutely had ZERO affiliation with us and YES people just submitted them in.

We even found some random guy on youtube -- document his AndroMass transformation ---and we were boggled, and had zero clue about this,

The Version 3 beta testers reports were SO UN-ALTERED , UNTOUCHED that even though they gained 10-14-20 pounds.....they just do not appear that impressive. That is reality folks,,,,

Besides most impressive before and afters are from "cutting" phases not mass gaining phases.

ONce we finally get AndroLeanv3 beta testers going ---then some noticeable Before & Afters should be present to the naked eye.

-Matt

 

[HereToStudy]

Banker, thank you for telling it like it is. I would rep you, but it seems I am on spread.

 

[Vibrant]

The hormones we use are as extensively studied as testosterone, we have sourced all of our info on the site and how we came to the claims we make. The pics you speak of were from the customers who PAID for the product, we had no control over nor did we ask for them to do anything to the pictures they sent. (We posted what we got). I'm currently running AM V2 and AH V3 and have gained well over 10 pounds in less than three weeks, these products work and there are tons of positive reviews from customers who again PAID for the product that not only agree but are returning customers. AL V2 didn't pan out which is why we listened to the customers and completely changed the product. I apologize that you didn't receive the help you wanted from one of us reps, we try to be professional, sometimes we try to point out reasons for an unsuccessful cycle because we believe in these products and have used them ourselves. We do not hide from these arguments either, even when they are from other company reps, and provided a money back policy even paying an extra 10% back to the customer. Your opinion is welcome, but in our defense we are nothing like muscletech, our products are innovative (not just the AndroSeries) and they work.

Ok before I start my argument, I want to say that I have nothing against your company.

There is no way that your products are as extensively studied as testosterone. Are your studies done by your company or tons of pharmaceutical research companies around the world counting back decades? See, that part of your statement is either a lie or a hype up of your product.

Your argument against jc being a rep for a competing company is unjust as well. He is not a rep for a legal supplement company so imo he is not competing with you at all.

how do you choose beta testers? If you gave out your product to respected members of this board, I would believe the results and I thought you guys were planning to do that but for some reason you backed out.


I will finish with this though, you got me interested in your product so kudos on that. I would've purchased one of your products and ran a honest log on it but I simply cannot justify spending over 100 dollars on a product that I have serious doubts about.

 

[JCBourne]

Ok before I start my argument, I want to say that I have nothing against your company.

There is no way that your products are as extensively studied as testosterone. Are your studies done by your company or tons of pharmaceutical research companies around the world counting back decades? See, that part of your statement is either a lie or a hype up of your product.

Your argument against jc being a rep for a competing company is unjust as well. He is not a rep for a legal supplement company so imo he is not competing with you at all.

how do you choose beta testers? If you gave out your product to respected members of this board, I would believe the results and I thought you guys were planning to do that but for some reason you backed out.


I will finish with this though, you got me interested in your product so kudos on that. I would've purchased one of your products and ran a honest log on it but I simply cannot justify spending over 100 dollars on a product that I have serious doubts about.

Spot on. I've yet to see a member who's got a lot of rep who is highly respected give praise to Andro series. If your products are as great as they say, prove me wrong... Send me a cycle, I'll even log it for you in a honest, non-bias way.

BTW, I'm not gaining anything from posting this. It isn't like my sponsor is competing against PP. As soon as I saw you were comparing your products and making your products sound better then test I just had to respond to that.

I'm a very, very honest person whenever I log or give a reviews. Doesn't take much searching to see that I'm not lying. So when you, PP, hype a product up as much as you do and you don't see the results it really pisses people off (like me). Don't hype something up and not expect a least one person to not respond with their opinion.

 

[banker23]

Ok before I start my argument, I want to say that I have nothing against your company.

There is no way that your products are as extensively studied as testosterone.

They never said their "products" were as extensively studied as test. They specifically said "the hormones we use" have been as extensively studied as test." Now that may be untrue as well by a matter of degrees but not by a matter of miles like the other statement.

The independent clause in their statement was "the hormones" and the dependent clause was "we use."

Like I said you probably still are right but this makes a difference.

I'll log something here with pics around Summer (and I'll pay for it like I paid for the last one-will wait for a good sale though) once I've taken some time off (at least 3-4 months) from test cycle. I'll be sure to prime for the cycle this time so I can get the best results and post pics and try to keep lighting and environment the same so we get apples to apples comparison.

I might even try to run a longer cycle using HCG and a real PCT regimen so the comparison is even more apples to apples.

"Don't hype something up and not expect a least one person to not respond with their opinion. "

Unlike alot of companies, it's obvious from PP's involvement that they expect and want people to voice their opinions and skepticism. I think alot of their business comes from people like me who wanted to make the jump to prohormones or AAS but were concerned about things like liver damage (in the instance of PH's) and the law (in the instance of AAS).

These discussions and arguments I think are very helpful to these people who are on the fence looking for a comparatively safe option.

 

[MattPorter]

Ok before I start my argument, I want to say that I have nothing against your company.

There is no way that your products are as extensively studied as testosterone. Are your studies done by your company or tons of pharmaceutical research companies around the world counting back decades? See, that part of your statement is either a lie or a hype up of your product.

Your argument against jc being a rep for a competing company is unjust as well. He is not a rep for a legal supplement company so imo he is not competing with you at all.

how do you choose beta testers? If you gave out your product to respected members of this board, I would believe the results and I thought you guys were planning to do that but for some reason you backed out.


I will finish with this though, you got me interested in your product so kudos on that. I would've purchased one of your products and ran a honest log on it but I simply cannot justify spending over 100 dollars on a product that I have serious doubts about.

The Beta-Testers I chose were all around the Portland area so they could work with us closely and go to the Lab and get their Body composition measured . and get accurate pictures taken etc....

They were random people, at the gym, on FB etc....with no agenda or bias.

They performed rigorous blood work on several occasions and stuck to the diet and training the best they could.

The results? Well just like ANY STEROID --- some guys got GREAT results, some not so much.....just with ANY STEROID ---genetic response will determine the level of results.

However-- both AndroBulk Testers achieved 14 and 16 lb gains in 4 & 6 weeks with one of the guys having previous AAS experience. (other one complete newb)

1 MASS guys results just flat out sucked.....I knew from looking at him from the beginning his genetic make-up just wasn;t there ---however his strength increased quite a bit ---but visually....terrible. While the other AndroMass tester gained over 20lbs......

DHea and their isomers have been studied for decades.....We aren't claiming to have found "new hormones" were just effectively delivering them, which are making them ACTUALLY WORK.

-Matt

 

[Primordial]

If your products are as great as they say, prove me wrong... Send me a cycle, I'll even log it for you in a honest, non-bias way.

This hasnt always been successful for us. Id say 1 out of 3 people never finish (or even finish) a log when they are given free product. It really seems to have little to do with a members "rep" points or time on a forum.

Like Matt said, we had full contact with our local testers. It was necessary to make sure they where getting blood work done at correct time, condition, etc. with proper body comp measurements, pre-screening, physical examination, etc.

-Eric