AndroDrive v3 is here -- Fearlessness, Motivation & Unlimited Stamina

[Primordial]

Ok before I start my argument, I want to say that I have nothing against your company.

There is no way that your products are as extensively studied as testosterone.

DHEA has probably over a dozen peer reviewed human studies with 8-12 weeks of supplementation. The effects of DHEA (or pregnenolone) are very well documented in humans.

Our in house blood testing and research correlated well with the results and side-effects we anticipated. It was just confirmation that our specific formula would be as safe and effective as we assumed.

-eric

 

[ryansm]

Ok before I start my argument, I want to say that I have nothing against your company.

There is no way that your products are as extensively studied as testosterone. Are your studies done by your company or tons of pharmaceutical research companies around the world counting back decades? See, that part of your statement is either a lie or a hype up of your product.
the hormones used certainly have, DHEA has been studied extensively

Your argument against jc being a rep for a competing company is unjust as well. He is not a rep for a legal supplement company so imo he is not competing with you at all.
and I do not agree, but also have no problem with this discussion so far since you have been respectful

how do you choose beta testers? If you gave out your product to respected members of this board, I would believe the results and I thought you guys were planning to do that but for some reason you backed out.
For the V2 version we had an open thread ASKING for loggers, this included anyone, vets, previous or current AAS users, this argument is unfounded we tried to give out product to respected members. In fact I had several very well respected members lined up that backed out on us. We also had loggers on many other boards and several of them were vets. Besides that we didn't do a lot of sponsored logs, the majority of feedback is from customer who purchased the products and they are overwhelmingly positive.


I will finish with this though, you got me interested in your product so kudos on that. I would've purchased one of your products and ran a honest log on it but I simply cannot justify spending over 100 dollars on a product that I have serious doubts about.

PM a rep for a discount or enter in to my contest next month to run a free bottle of AH

 

[Vibrant]

DHEA has probably over a dozen peer reviewed human studies with 8-12 weeks of supplementation. The effects of DHEA (or pregnenolone) are very well documented in humans.

Our in house blood testing and research correlated well with the results and side-effects we anticipated. It was just confirmation that our specific formula would be as safe and effective as we assumed.

-eric

I agree that dhea has been extensively studied, but did you alter it in any way? If you did, than most of that research doesn't apply because as most aas users know, that when you alter a hormone that can completely change the effects. I don't think I need to give you examples as you probably understand what i'm talking about, I hope lol.

PM a rep for a discount or enter in to my contest next month to run a free bottle of AH

As far as you saying what you did for v2 logging, I had no idea about that. I only knew what I saw about v3.

I always try to stay respectful but if I stepped out of line, I apologize and please let me know where I did.

I will enter your contest but I'll be honest I don't think I stand a chance of winning after I challenged you guys on some things.

 

[ryansm]

I agree that dhea has been extensively studied, but did you alter it in any way? If you did, than most of that research doesn't apply because as most aas users know, that when you alter a hormone that can completely change the effects. I don't think I need to give you examples as you probably understand what i'm talking about, I hope lol.



As far as you saying what you did for v2 logging, I had no idea about that. I only knew what I saw about v3.

I always try to stay respectful but if I stepped out of line, I apologize and please let me know where I did.

I will enter your contest but I'll be honest I don't think I stand a chance of winning after I challenged you guys on some things.

Only altercations is the ester attached

As far as the contest, enter it bud you have just as much of a chance as everyone else. Again we don't mind talking about all of this, we stand behind our products.

 

[dravenraven]

Before I dump 100 and something bucks on this, i want to see someone that's made a significant change to there body that you can actually see, not just the scale. Just andromass, no stacking.

 

[HereToStudy]

I agree that dhea has been extensively studied, but did you alter it in any way? If you did, than most of that research doesn't apply because as most aas users know, that when you alter a hormone that can completely change the effects. I don't think I need to give you examples as you probably understand what i'm talking about, I hope lol.

The modification is a enanthate ester.

 

[ryansm]

Before I dump 100 and something bucks on this, i want to see someone that's made a significant change to there body that you can actually see, not just the scale. Just andromass, no stacking.

There are several on our forum of V2

 

[ryansm]

^^^To add there are several more starting now, and one should be starting on here soon for AD.

 

[nugget13]

Sorry but your research/data is not valid or reliable comparing test to your product. I've personally used your products and saw nothing. You have great marketing i'll give you that. Please do not state your AndroDrive is more of a self-confidence boost and motivator then injectable test without a huge sample size.

fuckin dot

PP is such a joke and a waste of $

lol paying more for Andromass than real test

 

[MattPorter]

^^

Real test is GREAT!

No one is disputing that -- but some people just do not want to go that route due to--

connections
spouses
legality
needles
overly suppressed hpta

for the regular gym goer who wants to make more out of his workout and eating....

Andro products are HORMONES -- and do work.

Does it equal an advanced cycle of illegal injectables......not quite.

If were talking a 300-400 mg /week cycle of test or eq or deca --- I'd put my name on it that it could.

-Matt

 

[nugget13]

Right, but I do agree that the marketing techniques you guys employ are becoming more and more far-fetched.

"unlimited stamina"??

Just saying I think PP is pushing to the point where some of the claims are becoming as ridiculous as Sensa and Acai berries

Business is business however...

P.S. I used AndroHard back when I was a rookie, did have my diet dialed in, did not notice any benefits.

 

[dravenraven]

i used v2 andromass and ive used superdrol. The superdrol was significantly better period. I'm just doubting this v3 series is much better.

 

[MattPorter]

Right, but I do agree that the marketing techniques you guys employ are becoming more and more far-fetched.

"unlimited stamina"??

Just saying I think PP is pushing to the point where some of the claims are becoming as ridiculous as Sensa and Acai berries

Business is business however...

P.S. I used AndroHard back when I was a rookie, did have my diet dialed in, did not notice any benefits.

I agree that some of the claims are overly optimistic, but nonetheless there damn sure is study for everything that is claimed.

Some of the benefits are pushed to the extreme, and could be toned down, but marketing is marketing.

However, at the end of the day, hormones work, and work better in some people opposed to others.

Did you use old AndroHard liquid? I would take 500mg pre-workout and even I felt that???

I hope you did not expect too much from a mildly dosed epiandrosterone product...aggression, some sex drive and training intensity perhaps.

I can tell you right now that the newest version of AndroHard is my favorite product and can be stacked with ANY other hormone.

-Matt

 

[MattPorter]

i used v2 andromass and ive used superdrol. The superdrol was significantly better period. I'm just doubting this v3 series is much better.

AndroMass v2 was the best product from that last series.....

What dose of SD did you use? What was gained?

What did you get out of AndroMass?

-Matt

 

[dravenraven]

AndroMass v2 was the best product from that last series.....

What dose of SD did you use? What was gained?

What did you get out of AndroMass?

-Matt

15 pounds in 4 weeks on superdrol, 30mg. Size difference to the naked eye. Extreme pumps every workout, I got good pumps just flexing a muscle that i wasn't working that day, but if trained, extreme huge pump. Really good strength gain also.

I have taken dmz and max-lmg stacked and got about the same effects and gains although theirs differences.

The andromass I gained about 11 pounds in 4 weeks. I did get strength gains but it wasn't really good but it was there though. Pumps were there but not nearly as good as I would like them to be. Not much fullness, no real perpetual pump and tightness during the day.

 

[ryansm]

11 pounds in 4 weeks without the sides, I'll take it any day, jmo.

 

[HereToStudy]

11 pounds in 4 weeks without the sides, I'll take it any day, jmo.

Yeah, man. I actually was ready to comment about how a comparison of SD to AndroMass isn't ideal, but I can't believe there was only a 4 lb difference. You have to account for the harsh toll your body took on SD in comparison to the Mass.

SD can be said to be "better" then test in that 4 weeks of each and you will have better results with SD. The fact that testosterone is safer, and can be run longer allows it to be a more ideal hormone. AndroMass is not too different from this school of thought.

 

[packers6211]

I still got some lying around for future runs. I go wend for my MRI results on shoulder. I found out through a little birdie friend of mine, cough cough my chiro that the results show nothing torn, but something called an inpingement and calcium built up, that should require a small procedure. I'll know more soon, cause that androdrive bottle keeps haunting me at night.

 

[Rodja]

Impingement where?

 

[HereToStudy]

Keep us updated packers

 

[HereToStudy]

I still got some lying around for future runs. I go wend for my MRI results on shoulder. I found out through a little birdie friend of mine, cough cough my chiro that the results show nothing torn, but something called an inpingement and calcium built up, that should require a small procedure. I'll know more soon, cause that androdrive bottle keeps haunting me at night.

Mine comes in tomorrow. As soon as I receive them, it starts

 

[ryansm]

I still got some lying around for future runs. I go wend for my MRI results on shoulder. I found out through a little birdie friend of mine, cough cough my chiro that the results show nothing torn, but something called an inpingement and calcium built up, that should require a small procedure. I'll know more soon, cause that androdrive bottle keeps haunting me at night.

 

[MattPorter]

15 pounds in 4 weeks on superdrol, 30mg. Size difference to the naked eye. Extreme pumps every workout, I got good pumps just flexing a muscle that i wasn't working that day, but if trained, extreme huge pump. Really good strength gain also.

I have taken dmz and max-lmg stacked and got about the same effects and gains although theirs differences.

The andromass I gained about 11 pounds in 4 weeks. I did get strength gains but it wasn't really good but it was there though. Pumps were there but not nearly as good as I would like them to be. Not much fullness, no real perpetual pump and tightness during the day.

I understand the massive full body pumps and tightness feeling from SD, as M1T treated me similarly.

However it also killed my lipids into single digits! --- and suppressed appetite etc.. but I gained 10 lbs in 10 days!

I would walk to the store and my calves and low back became so pumped i had to take rest breaks hahah

However -- the damaging effects turned me off and I got similar results on old school 4AD-1AD products with little to no sides.

All in all I will take the 11 lbs knowing I can soon run it again and again and be healthier.....

-Matt

 

[packers6211]

Impingement where?

He said on right shoulder. Close to my cuff. I'll know more tomorrow and will ask for a copy so I can better explain things.

 

[HereToStudy]

I understand the massive full body pumps and tightness feeling from SD, as M1T treated me similarly.

However it also killed my lipids into single digits! --- and suppressed appetite etc.. but I gained 10 lbs in 10 days!

I would walk to the store and my calves and low back became so pumped i had to take rest breaks hahah

However -- the damaging effects turned me off and I got similar results on old school 4AD-1AD products with little to no sides.

All in all I will take the 11 lbs knowing I can soon run it again and again and be healthier.....

-Matt

This is the key, and often over looked point IMO. I can only take the SD/Mass comparison so much...

 

[dravenraven]

When are you going to have a 40% sale again? I'll try v3 andromass to see if the pumps are much better and if there's any tightness and to see what kind of visible size gain there is. If those aren't there ill get a refund.

 

[Rodja]

Not sure when the next time we'll (if ever) have another 40% sale.

 

[packers6211]

Arthroscopic surgery is what I'll be having done next wend. Said I should be down for 1-2 days from doing little stuff, lol guess no sex with mrs. Anyway he said 90 percent chance only this will have to be done, small 10 percent they would find something worse and have to do more. He said he'll get rid of the calcium and that I have a slight bit of Arthritus in shoulder but nothing terrible. From what he could tell from MRI, nothing torn in the aci. He said the inpingement will be fixed as well, and should be ok after 4-6 weels from surgey and rehab. This is what is on MRI Report: Impression: Hypertrophic arthropathy of the acromioclavicular joint definite supraspinatus impingement. Intant mucsles and tendons of the totator cuff. Question intermauscular lipoma teres minor, significance doubtfoul. So what the heck ever that means lol.

 

[Rodja]

Arthroscopic surgery is what I'll be having done next wend. Said I should be down for 1-2 days from doing little stuff, lol guess no sex with mrs. Anyway he said 90 percent chance only this will have to be done, small 10 percent they would find something worse and have to do more. He said he'll get rid of the calcium and that I have a slight bit of Arthritus in shoulder but nothing terrible. From what he could tell from MRI, nothing torn in the aci. He said the inpingement will be fixed as well, and should be ok after 4-6 weels from surgey and rehab. This is what is on MRI Report: Impression: Hypertrophic arthropathy of the acromioclavicular joint definite supraspinatus impingement. Intant mucsles and tendons of the totator cuff. Question intermauscular lipoma teres minor, significance doubtfoul. So what the heck ever that means lol.

Arthropathy is basically a disease within a joint (e.g. arthritis), but having intact muscles and tendons is great.

 

[ryansm]

Arthroscopic surgery is what I'll be having done next wend. Said I should be down for 1-2 days from doing little stuff, lol guess no sex with mrs. Anyway he said 90 percent chance only this will have to be done, small 10 percent they would find something worse and have to do more. He said he'll get rid of the calcium and that I have a slight bit of Arthritus in shoulder but nothing terrible. From what he could tell from MRI, nothing torn in the aci. He said the inpingement will be fixed as well, and should be ok after 4-6 weels from surgey and rehab. This is what is on MRI Report: Impression: Hypertrophic arthropathy of the acromioclavicular joint definite supraspinatus impingement. Intant mucsles and tendons of the totator cuff. Question intermauscular lipoma teres minor, significance doubtfoul. So what the heck ever that means lol.

It means you have the typical joints and tendon/ligament of someone who lifts weights Doesn't sound too bad, you should be good to go soon, make sure to follow through on the PT