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[teezhay]

Heretostudy, I just want to know what studies are behind this chart. It seems extremely broad and sweeping. For example, "motivational energy" has been defined, compared head to head between Anro, injectables, and methylated orals? With confounding variables controlled for? I find this highly unlikely, but if you provide me with a study that isn't broscience, I will shut my mouth and apologize to you for attacking this chart...

It's absolutely broscience. Whenever I see forum users challenge the legitimacy of IML products, Prince is the first one to step in with a major academic study (if not several) demonstrating the same conclusions Iron Mag is advertising. I've seen him do this in defense of multiple products. Primordial Performance, on the other hand, faces scrutiny from consumers and responds with some chart they themselves mocked up, with no sources or references cited to third party research substantiating a single claim they've made. Primordial Performance is the epitome of everything that's wrong with this market: style over substance, and sensationalism over science.

It's not that long ago they were using the marketing slogan: "We made the best steroids on the planet." Just let that sink in for a moment. When you think "best steroids on the planet," these clowns expect you to think of them. Not the real pioneers of the early 20th century all the way to the '60s, who synthesized the body-altering compounds that changed the face of bodybuilding forever ... but Primordial Performance. Not Patrick Arnold or anyone down at BALCO ... but Primordial Performance. You know, the guys who released that Superdrol clone that people liked. Yeah, how revolutionary of them.

 

[HereToStudy]

Heretostudy, I just want to know what studies are behind this chart. It seems extremely broad and sweeping. For example, "motivational energy" has been defined, compared head to head between Anro, injectables, and methylated orals? With confounding variables controlled for? I find this highly unlikely, but if you provide me with a study that isn't broscience, I will shut my mouth and apologize to you for attacking this chart...

I will give you that the energy would be subjective, we based it on our test subjects who were featured on the product pages (the case reports). But what is to argue? We claim that injectables (mainly testosterone) would be three times as effective at provide motivational energy, had we argued they were even or stronger, I could see the point. As for methylated compounds, with the exception of maybe dbol, I have yet to hear one report about an oral that makes someone feel awesome, in fact, most are riddled with anecdotal feedback on lethargy.

It's absolutely broscience. Whenever I see forum users challenge the legitimacy of IML products, Prince is the first one to step in with a major academic study (if not several) demonstrating the same conclusions Iron Mag is advertising. I've seen him do this in defense of multiple products. Primordial Performance, on the other hand, faces scrutiny from consumers and responds with some chart they themselves mocked up, with no sources or references cited to third party research substantiating a single claim they've made. Primordial Performance is the epitome of everything that's wrong with this market: style over substance, and sensationalism over science.

It's not that long ago they were using the marketing slogan: "We made the best steroids on the planet." Just let that sink in for a moment. When you think "best steroids on the planet," these clowns expect you to think of them. Not the real pioneers of the early 20th century all the way to the '60s, who synthesized the body-altering compounds that changed the face of bodybuilding forever ... but Primordial Performance. Not Patrick Arnold or anyone down at BALCO ... but Primordial Performance. You know, the guys who released that Superdrol clone that people liked. Yeah, how revolutionary of them.

Please point me in the direction of one IML product that has over 60 references for an individual product. I would like to be enlightened. This entire line was designed based on findings from studies that date from Vida to present day. What the hell are you talking about with no references? They are listed right below the first post.

You also are again, displaying how incredibly un-informed you are. You specifically mention Patrick Arnold, whom I have an immense amount of respect for. What you do not note is that Patrick Arnold is selling the same exact hormones that we feature in these products. Have you checked out the 7/11 spray? I also laughed at the mention of the superdrol clone in a sarcastic manner. Did you not just make IML out to be great, you know, the guys who sell methyl clones, including Halo for Her, and Ostarine? Please do not take my comments as negative towards IML, not my point at all. The point is that your argument is retarded.

 

[MattPorter]

Teezhay -- you sound like you are pretty experienced in hormone cycling...

You also probably enjoy powerful and effective hormone cycles as would anyone given sides are not astronomical....

Now I enjoy all of the above too -- and if you are a VERY advanced hormone user and have been around the block for years

I will come right out and say AndroMass and AndroBulk wont be the same as your 750mg/test and 600mg/deca w/ a splash of abombs for shits...

However -- something like a potent 11 KetoTestosterone product would in fact compliment that cycle I mentioned, or ANY cycle for that matter as 11KT is very unique in and of itself.

I used a topical gel version of it (a prototype we made) and dosed it very high and noticed mid section tightening within 10 days with zero change in other hormones or food...

I am sure you know these products are for people who are not chronic hormone users, not advanced elite BB's striving for freak status, and they are for people whom wish to stay legal, wish to use pure ingredients that match labels, and people whom faint at the thought of reducing or impairing HPTA function etc....

Hell yes they are expensive and hell yes the marketing can get peoples feathers ruffled, but they do actually work....

-Matt

 

[teezhay]

Did you not just make IML out to be great, you know, the guys who sell methyl clones, including Halo for Her, and Ostarine? Please do not take my comments as negative towards IML, not my point at all. The point is that your argument is retarded.

Earth to dumbass: IML isn't hammering some absurd false pretense down our throats by claiming they "made the best steroids on the planet." No, the only party claiming to be something they're not is Primordial Performance. Not IML. Read this a second time if it helps your comprehension.

Furthermore, I've never even used any of Iron Mags' PH/DS products, so don't get the idea I'm some fanboy. What I am is someone who appreciates a company that doesn't lie for the sake of profitability. IML would undoubtedly benefit from a giant banner that says, "HALO FOR HER: PROVEN TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ANAVAR" but they don't because they can't substantiate that as fact. Primordial Performance, on the other hand, makes itself susceptible to copious amounts of criticism by claiming their garbage "super DHEA" capsules are better than injectable steroids, on the basis that they offer benefits that aren't even quantifiable, and which I guarantee aren't substantiated by empirical research compiled in academia or any other reputable scientific environment. Unless you have some pubmed study to share on AndroLean's ability to induce "motivational energy" and "self-confidence" superior to that of oral AAS. Or how about just one reputable study demonstrating AndroLean's ability to induce fat loss as being approximately 166% superior to that of testosterone (I'm calculating that number based on the decidedly unscientific "+" symbols on your chart which cites exactly zero sources or references).

And you won't provide any of that. Because none such studies exist, unless PP conducted them in a non-scientific manner and packaged the results in such a way that suited their needs. Give it up, you reek of fraud. Just like the bullshit abortion of a company for whom you prostitute your integrity.

 

[teezhay]

I will come right out and say AndroMass and AndroBulk wont be the same as your 750mg/test and 600mg/deca w/ a splash of abombs for shits...

I'm not as experienced in using these as I am reading about them. I've seen you around several forums, and I've seen you help a lot of people. You seem like a good guy, so I'm confused why you're just as dedicated to hammering the party line as your colleague. If you had a single piece of empirical research indicating these glorified DHEA products are equally effective to such significant dosages of test, deca, and anadrol combined, you would have provided it. But you don't, so why are you making these claims?

Waiting on some substance here...

 

[HereToStudy]

Earth to dumbass: IML isn't hammering some absurd false pretense down our throats by claiming they "made the best steroids on the planet." No, the only party claiming to be something they're not is Primordial Performance. Not IML. Read this a second time if it helps your comprehension.

Please use more bold and font resizing, I am unsure if I could find your post otherwise. But please stop arguing like a pussy. You can not make a direct comparison to another company, and then side step a counter argument to your statement. You stated that his products are directly supported by science. I asked what science was involved? Can I see your studies on superdrol? There might be, what, a handful of them outside of vida? One specifically discussing Liver Failure/Cholestasis and Renal Failure? Others dealing with synthesis only? These are the ones you are discussing right? I am sure you have read them. Studies for our product have been provided. If you would like, you can request a free copy of our white papers on the product at this link, which not only lists all literature used in the formulation (from the compounds, to coversion expectations, to the delivery method), but also explains the pharmacokinetics of the product. I hope you enjoy the read: Andro Whitepapers

Furthermore, I've never even used any of Iron Mags' PH/DS products, so don't get the idea I'm some fanboy. What I am is someone who appreciates a company that doesn't lie for the sake of profitability. IML would undoubtedly benefit from a giant banner that says, "HALO FOR HER: PROVEN TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ANAVAR" but they don't because they can't substantiate that as fact.

You are right, they shouldn't state it in terms of Anavar, because it is a prohormone to Turinabol, NOT Anavar. However, this is from their product page:

So can we now accept that you are completely bias in your assesment of the companies. Seeing that what you are specifically arguing they are better than us for, is not actually the case, and instead, you are once again providing a means for me to display how uninformed you really are? Why are you still going at this?

Primordial Performance, on the other hand, makes itself susceptible to copious amounts of criticism by claiming their garbage "super DHEA" capsules are better than injectable steroids, on the basis that they offer benefits that aren't even quantifiable, and which I guarantee aren't substantiated by empirical research compiled in academia or any other reputable scientific environment.

Again, how many references are needed on a product. Have you read the studies? Have you bothered to read them? We provided studies on nearly all aspects of the product. We make a direct comparison to testosterone (in terms of AndroMass, most specifically), because the product converts to testosterone the intermediate conversion stages have anabolic/androgenic properties very similar to testosterone, and the hormonal enviornment provided by these products would provide a very similar enviornment to one that is using testosterone. We have had positive feedback in terms of solo cycles as well as those using them as a base, much like testosterone.

The specific product in this thread contains compounds that have been utilized by many companies and is featured in many products currently on the market. It is featured so commonly because they are proven effective. It is funny, another side step to your argument was the comment about PA, which I countered with the fact that he offers the same compounds in his products, yet you didn't reply to that. We took compounds available on the market, and researched a means to make them more effective, leading to the addition of an ester to the coupound (what is referenced as "Super-" in our marketing), and provided a delivery system that addresses the concerns over bio-availability of these compounds.

Unless you have some pubmed study to share on AndroLean's ability to induce "motivational energy" and "self-confidence" superior to that of oral AAS. Or how about just one reputable study demonstrating AndroLean's ability to induce fat loss as being approximately 166% superior to that of testosterone (I'm calculating that number based on the decidedly unscientific "+" symbols on your chart which cites exactly zero sources or references).

Again, you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I stated above the self-confidence and motivational energy is based on anecdotal feedback we received on a testing base. We didn't claim it to be nearly as effective as Test, which would have been untrue, and we claimed it one be one step above orals for energy (which how the hell do you argue agaisnt that when lethargy is the number on thing mentioned when discussing methylated oral AAS?), or on par which self confidence that comes from an oral cycle (which I would argue that the confidence is overstated for orals on that chart, but I didn't make it). But either way, you are choosing to argue against the least important information provided on that chart. They are subjective, but we based on it on extensive testing in the pre-release stage, and it has been more than backed by feedback received from our customers, which as I stated features everyone from guys who have worked out for a year or two, up to competitors who have used our products in pre-contest (2 of which have just placed 2nd within the past month in their respective contests, one of which qualified for nationals as a result of it).

And you won't provide any of that. Because none such studies exist, unless PP conducted them in a non-scientific manner and packaged the results in such a way that suited their needs. Give it up, you reek of fraud. Just like the bullshit abortion of a company for whom you prostitute your integrity.

My integrity is intact. We have provided more than enough in terms of studies to back our products. Studies which you have not even read, and probably wouldn't comprehend if you did. Your mannerism of argument has displayed a lack of intellect, and your means of resulting to insulting comments, "earth to dumbass" or "prostitution of my integrity" displays the foundation you stand on as a person. I understand, however. When arguing against someone about something I don't know much about, I too would probably step down to the same level of tact.

I'm not as experienced in using these as I am reading about them. I've seen you around several forums, and I've seen you help a lot of people. You seem like a good guy, so I'm confused why you're just as dedicated to hammering the party line as your colleague. If you had a single piece of empirical research indicating these glorified DHEA products are equally effective to such significant dosages of test, deca, and anadrol combined, you would have provided it. But you don't, so why are you making these claims?

Waiting on some substance here...

The fuck are you talking about? He specifically stated that it is not equal to significant dosages of those products combined, can you read?

I appreciate your honesty in stating that you are still in the research level of the hormone game. You speak as someone who stands on a leg of experience, yet argue against those who are better read and have a much more extensive research invested on the subjects. Your argument has been displayed in a misinformed, and misappropriated manner. It is my suggestion that you give it up, because you are making yourself out to be quite the fool.

 

[MattPorter]

I'm not as experienced in using these as I am reading about them. I've seen you around several forums, and I've seen you help a lot of people. You seem like a good guy, so I'm confused why you're just as dedicated to hammering the party line as your colleague. If you had a single piece of empirical research indicating these glorified DHEA products are equally effective to such significant dosages of test, deca, and anadrol combined, you would have provided it. But you don't, so why are you making these claims?

Waiting on some substance here...

I clearly was HONEST and said they WONT compare....re-read my post man ...... calm down its just a forum and yes these hormones work, just not like an instantaneous blow up effect of superdrol, anadrol etc etc....

You just do not get thousands of placebos and witness people change first hand from sugar pills....these are for the category of people I LISTED....read things carefully.

-Matt

 

[teezhay]

I clearly was HONEST and said they WONT compare....re-read my post man ...... calm down its just a forum and yes these hormones work, just not like an instantaneous blow up effect of superdrol, anadrol etc etc....

You just do not get thousands of placebos and witness people change first hand from sugar pills....these are for the category of people I LISTED....read things carefully.

-Matt

Read that too hastily, my bad. My point is there are thousands of people vouching for the authenticity of virtually every heavily promoted product. Cell-Tech has a 7.7 rating on bodybuilding.com with 711 reviews right now. There are people on bodybuilding forums claiming to feel rejuvenated just from using D-Aspartic Acid. And even if AndroLean worked just as well as some old Competitive Edge Labs product (I don't know that it does, I'm just throwing it out there), that doesn't mean it has any place being marketed on a forum for steroids, especially not in such a way that asserts some level of comparability to real, legitimate, geniuine AAS. That comparability just doesn't exist. You know as well as I do someone on AndroLean is not going to cut the same amount of fat as someone who works equally hard and eats equally cleanly while pinning a hefty dose of tren a, so why would you support a chart claiming the former is superior to "injectable steroids" in terms of fat loss? We all know that isn't true, but that's what your chart touts.

With the real, substantive information we have, there's no reason to believe AndroLean is even in the same league as steroids, let alone a substitute for them. And it's 2012, consumers are smarter than they've ever been. You can't just use before and after pics of some guy who probably trains for this sport competitively, and expect that to be enough evidence for the efficacy of your product. Furthermore, you can't just produce charts void of any citations or supporting research along with arbitrarily formulated claims of grandiosity ("We made the best steroids on the planet") and expect that to suffice. And the fact that you guys think it will is insulting to the intelligence of this market.

I'm relieved to have seen several other IMF users leave incredulous comments on this thread, because that means these sly tricks have lost their luster. You'll still sell your AndroLean to 45-year-old guys desperate to look and feel like they're 25 again, and 18-year-old kids who desperately want a six pack, but you're not fooling those who are well-versed in this market. We don't buy your non-quantifiable claims of AndroLean's superiority in "motivational energy" and "self-confidence" or its ability to burn fat more effectively than "injectable steroids" (as if all of them are comparable and belong in one category). It's not going to fly any more. Not here.

 

[MattPorter]

Read that too hastily, my bad. My point is there are thousands of people vouching for the authenticity of virtually every heavily promoted product. Cell-Tech has a 7.7 rating on bodybuilding.com with 711 reviews right now. There are people on bodybuilding forums claiming to feel rejuvenated just from using D-Aspartic Acid. And even if AndroLean worked just as well as some old Competitive Edge Labs product (I don't know that it does, I'm just throwing it out there), that doesn't mean it has any place being marketed on a forum for steroids, especially not in such a way that asserts some level of comparability to real, legitimate, geniuine AAS. That comparability just doesn't exist. You know as well as I do someone on AndroLean is not going to cut the same amount of fat as someone who works equally hard and eats equally cleanly while pinning a hefty dose of tren a, so why would you support a chart claiming the former is superior to "injectable steroids" in terms of fat loss? We all know that isn't true, but that's what your chart touts.

With the real, substantive information we have, there's no reason to believe AndroLean is even in the same league as steroids, let alone a substitute for them. And it's 2012, consumers are smarter than they've ever been. You can't just use before and after pics of some guy who probably trains for this sport competitively, and expect that to be enough evidence for the efficacy of your product. Furthermore, you can't just produce charts void of any citations or supporting research along with arbitrarily formulated claims of grandiosity ("We made the best steroids on the planet") and expect that to suffice. And the fact that you guys think it will is insulting to the intelligence of this market.

I'm relieved to have seen several other IMF users leave incredulous comments on this thread, because that means these sly tricks have lost their luster. You'll still sell your AndroLean to 45-year-old guys desperate to look and feel like they're 25 again, and 18-year-old kids who desperately want a six pack, but you're not fooling those who are well-versed in this market. We don't buy your non-quantifiable claims of AndroLean's superiority in "motivational energy" and "self-confidence" or its ability to burn fat more effectively than "injectable steroids" (as if all of them are comparable and belong in one category). It's not going to fly any more. Not here.

You do know that 11-ketotestosterone is a steroid hormone right? You know that intermediate steroids like 4-androstendiol are steroids too right?

All I am saying is 11KT is a nice low androgenic, high anabolic hormone that will help drop some BF% and gain some muscle in less experienced users....and also collaborate with your "trens, gh, EQ" cycle etc.. since it is a unique hormone itself.

Noone needs to be fooled into thinking AndroSeries will be the same as Tren + Test + Masteron etc....because the farthest we take is comparing it to a LOW dose testosterone -- similar to a TRT range and that is that....

I have several EXPERIENCED steroid users on AndroHard stacked in with their highly aromatizing compounds and they KEEP buying more.....

-Matt

 

[HereToStudy]

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[HereToStudy]

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