I dont know what "heavys cycle" is but Im telling you do not incorporate HCG till the end right before PCT. There is zero reason for a guy running cycles to be hitting HCG mid cycle let alone early.
HeavyIron's cycle is in a sticky, well worth reading. It's the gold standard for beginners here.
Many of us feel that there's zero reason to let the balls atrophy into aching raisins that retreat out of the scrotum during cycle. That's one of the main reasons to take HCG all along. Also, it's much easier to do PCT if they atrophy has never happened rather than trying to blast them into shape again and hoping it doesn't take twice as long as you expected.
Even those of us never doing PCT and only cruising will still take HCG to save our balls.
gear wasnt complete bunk just considerably underdosed. Clearly it was enough to shut down your feedback loop. If it was only 5 weeks I would call today your 1st day of real cycle and go forward
Agree, he should just start now. Basically he was on TRT anyway so no cycle ever occurred.
It does sound like the gear was just seriously underdosed. Strange, however, that his E2 was at the top of the range while T only mid-levels and on 20mg/day exemestane. He's either a very aggressive aromatizer or the AI is bunk.
Yep...think about it.....test will shut you down during cycle and then folks use Hcg while on cycle to try and bring their natural T back. Does not compute.
You haven't been listening to Rich Piana's ill-informed rants have you?
That sounds a lot like him.
As mentioned above, natural T production is not the reason we take HCG during cycle. It's a small bonus but piddly in comparison to the exogenous gear.
Often, clomid is recommended by trt docs to take along with testosterone to keep testicles functioning. I personally don't see how that could be effective. Clomid is meant to trick the pituitary onto secreting more LH, but the pituitary also getting a "stop" signal at the same time from exogenous hormones. This would certainly give mixed signals and my belief is that the androgens would overpower clomid's signal. The reason HCG is so much more effective is because you are injecting artificial LH directly, so it surpasses the negative feedback loop.
If I understand it correctly, the clomid should effectively clog up those E2 receptors at the pituitary (and hypothalamus) enough to make that "stop" signal much weaker. I've seen studies showing a SERM being a decent TRT tool all by itself, but not combining it with test. Interesting stuff. In the battle of elevated test vs. clogged E2 receptors, I'm not sure which "wins". They are probably additive. Throwing an AI into the loop should elevate things (LH, FSH, maybe test?) even more since the SERM has less E2 to block.
The new gear i have is EP i got from PSL, so im sure its g2g
ill start today as day 1, get bloods again in 5 weeks.
You could get bloods in as little as a week or two if you want to see if the gear is good. Your blood T levels should conform roughly to this chart:
http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=10&...terone&c0_f=enanthate&c0_s=3&c0_fr=1&c0_to=10
I put in 214mg/E3D as equivalent to 500mg/wk. Of course we usually do something easier like 250mg/E3&4D, alternating, but the plot site won't accommodate that.
If you get bloods in 2 wks, the day after a pin, you should have roughly 70% of the eventual "peak" blood levels. (I get this from 45/62 on that chart, eyeballed.) At 500mg/wk a good final (i.e. leveled out) peak result would be an 8x multiplier, for 4,000 ng/dL. At two weeks you'd hope to have around 2,800 ng/dL. All of this is rough math of course, from rough pharmacology (variation in depot effects, possibility of abscess, metabolism), a rough idea of a good gear multiplier, etc, but in my bloodwork experience these expected results are very close and consistent with actual protocol results.
This is a nice way to see gear potency when not running protocol, and well before that 4-wk guideline (and then 7-days post-pin).
