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OK...I am a bit surprised that 1 gram of protein per lbs of bodyweight is half of what you normally do. Wondering if I should not up mine...but I do have a question...
what's with the jelly beans? Is that just a way to jack up your calories?
what's with the jelly beans? Is that just a way to jack up your calories?
What I normally do is 1.5-2g per lb of bw. I was thinking of dropping it down to 1g per lb of bw for a couple of days to cycle my protein.
jelly beans, lol, well. Yeah, basically I needed to bump my cals up. But there is more behind it, even though it just looks like some sort of sloppy type of cheat becuase seriously the other foods I have eaten today aren't that bad (especially since I am bulking). Okay so why jelly beans:
a) easy way to get calories in
b)lots of carbs/sugar which is going to help me out strength and enrgy wise when I carb deplete for the next three days.
c) I needed to bump up my leptin levels. I am eating around 2400-2500 cals and I am still hungry in between meals. By bf% is still low and my leptin level needs to be raised so I purposley at all that sugar with the intention of spilling over into adipose tissue........I can't finish the bag though, I am really full and getting sick of them fast. I am pretty disappointed in myself, I haven't even polished of half the bag yet. lol...But I did what I needed to do.
jelly beans, lol, well. Yeah, basically I needed to bump my cals up. But there is more behind it, even though it just looks like some sort of sloppy type of cheat becuase seriously the other foods I have eaten today aren't that bad (especially since I am bulking). Okay so why jelly beans:
a) easy way to get calories in
b)lots of carbs/sugar which is going to help me out strength and enrgy wise when I carb deplete for the next three days.
c) I needed to bump up my leptin levels. I am eating around 2400-2500 cals and I am still hungry in between meals. By bf% is still low and my leptin level needs to be raised so I purposley at all that sugar with the intention of spilling over into adipose tissue........I can't finish the bag though, I am really full and getting sick of them fast. I am pretty disappointed in myself, I haven't even polished of half the bag yet. lol...But I did what I needed to do.
Well I read this everyday. I have never tried protein cycling so I wouldn't be able to give suggestions.
Personally I would have picked swedish fish or Twizzlers instead of the jellybeans.
LOL, sweedish fish and twizzlers are great choices, but I saw the jelly beans first when I walked into CVS, easter display. My problem is that I think that I really want that stuff and it looks so good(probably becasue my diet is so void of sugar). But once I start eating it I get a terrible stomach ache and can't finish them. I can't tell you how many half eaten bags of candycorn or spicedrops I have thwon out. The jelly beans are about to go into the garbage right now. My brain wants the sugar but my body just rejects this shit after a couple of bites......I gues that is best though.
??(I should know that
I can't argue with ya there, jodi. Candy corn does rule. It is my favorite candy and is good year round.....unfortunatly I just can't find a way to work it into my diet.
Nike Girl....thanks for the read and the compliments. If you have any suggestions please offer them up....don't work to hard.
Nike Girl....thanks for the read and the compliments. If you have any suggestions please offer them up....don't work to hard.
Just speculating here, however, if you're having digestive problems with the (~90-99% sugar) candy, why wouldn't you substitute some super high GI foods? (e.g., fruits or fruit cocktails in syrup....something less extreme.)
Aw, just eat boy!
I do use high gi carbs instead sometimes....it all depends on how i feel, what i crave..my re-feed can go either way. Sometimes pasta, sometimes candy, sometimes rice or oatmeal, sometimes ben and jerry's frozen yogurt and sometimes cereal...It just depends on my mood at the moment I am in the store buying then food. What ever catches my eye first.
4/14- chest
I am not going to post my meals today becuase they were really messed up. I tried for the protein cycling and was eating only 1g of protein per lb of bw which means my fat and carb intake were extra high. I feel like shit after today (you can read the post in the diet and nutrition forum if you are interested in the details.) so I am dropping the idea. Tomorrow I am going back to my regular diet. I am probably going to keep the carbs on the lower side for a few days to drop water which i am now retaining from todays failed attempt.
Okay, now to the chest workout. First things first. I felt like crap today after this diet, I was very sluggish and tired so it messed me up a bit. Also my strength sucked today. I know I always say I don't lift for strength but I know when I am not up to my bodies full potential. After my first pathetic set of bench press I really wanted to cry, I really felt like just getting out of there. I hope it was just from the high carb/fat diet I was on for the day. Here it is:
bench press
205x6+1
205x4
185x5
185x5
That was awful
decline fleys
35x18 (oops, went to light
)
45x12
45x9
Incline smith machine press (weight listed does not incude the bar)
140x10
160x6
170x4
high cable cross over
60x16
drop set
70x8, 50x10
This was upseting and depressing.....I am going catabolic just thinking about this workout.
I am not going to post my meals today becuase they were really messed up. I tried for the protein cycling and was eating only 1g of protein per lb of bw which means my fat and carb intake were extra high. I feel like shit after today (you can read the post in the diet and nutrition forum if you are interested in the details.) so I am dropping the idea. Tomorrow I am going back to my regular diet. I am probably going to keep the carbs on the lower side for a few days to drop water which i am now retaining from todays failed attempt.
Okay, now to the chest workout. First things first. I felt like crap today after this diet, I was very sluggish and tired so it messed me up a bit. Also my strength sucked today. I know I always say I don't lift for strength but I know when I am not up to my bodies full potential. After my first pathetic set of bench press I really wanted to cry, I really felt like just getting out of there. I hope it was just from the high carb/fat diet I was on for the day. Here it is:
bench press
205x6+1
205x4
185x5
185x5
That was awful
decline fleys
35x18 (oops, went to light
)45x12
45x9
Incline smith machine press (weight listed does not incude the bar)
140x10
160x6
170x4
high cable cross over
60x16
drop set
70x8, 50x10
This was upseting and depressing.....I am going catabolic just thinking about this workout.
(Grumpy Old Man Rant)
If that works for you, okay then, go for it. However, it just seems illogical, if not detrimental, to deviate so radically........ i.e., after all of the training and exercise in self dicipline, why put that junk into your system? I thought the BB diet was about consistency and quality.
nana: )Oh, by the way, quit bitchin' about the workout
.....you're starting to sound like DaMayor....Jeeze. The next one will be better.
Yes Dm, you are right, bb diets are about consistency and quality. However I am also a man of science. Sugar is sugar when it comes down to it. I can either choose to refeed by eating 2c oatmeal, a banana, a sweetpotat etc. which with all that fiber will a)probably fill me up before I can get the needed amount of calories for my refeed and b) with all that fiber send me running to the bathroom every 10min. for the rest of the evening. Or I can choose to refeed with candy which provides a ton of calories with no fat in only a small amount. Usually I'll refeed by eating a big bowl of pasta and a small bag of smarties or some sort of sugary candy and that works well. This time I choose a burrito and jelly beans.....But sugar is sugar..
Stop bitchin???? It is what I do best and after all this is my journal.......more rants to come i'm sure.
Stop bitchin???? It is what I do best and after all this is my journal.......more rants to come i'm sure.
Originally posted by P-funk
Stop bitchin???? It is what I do best and after all this is my journal.......more rants to come i'm sure.
Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't want to see another journal sink in a river of tears.....Like MINE did...if you recall.
that's cool I like being called funky..
I wish my diet consisted of swedish fish, jelly beans and pasta....Unfortunaty my diet is really clean, I don't want anyone to get the impression that I am a slacker on this stuff. I am really strict with my diet but I also believe that when refeeding there are things that you can eat that make it a lot easier on yourself and are just as effective as eating an ass load of oatmeal..(which I have done many times before and have no problem with because oatmeal is one of my favorite foods)...
I wish my diet consisted of swedish fish, jelly beans and pasta....Unfortunaty my diet is really clean, I don't want anyone to get the impression that I am a slacker on this stuff. I am really strict with my diet but I also believe that when refeeding there are things that you can eat that make it a lot easier on yourself and are just as effective as eating an ass load of oatmeal..(which I have done many times before and have no problem with because oatmeal is one of my favorite foods)...
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Funky ...no, I don't like that, P-Funk,
Would you recommend a similar re-feed for a lard butt like myself? I feel my BF loss has slowed down lately. I up'd my cardio, but maybe I need to refeed.
is the high sugar approach one that you would recommend for chubby's?
Sorry to clutter your journal with my questions.
Would you recommend a similar re-feed for a lard butt like myself? I feel my BF loss has slowed down lately. I up'd my cardio, but maybe I need to refeed.
is the high sugar approach one that you would recommend for chubby's?
Sorry to clutter your journal with my questions.
Jodi, I knoe you understand, I'm just playing around in a "Funky" sorta way
Pepper, don't be sorry, I stated in the begining that all questions, comments and suggestions are welcome.
When was the last time you did a refeed? I am not taking about a carb up but a refeed? Refeed's can be strange and are dependent of bf%. IE people with lower bf are going to refeed more often becuase there leptin levels drop quiker do to the fact that they have less bf. People with higher a bf% are in a fed state more often becuase their bf% is higher. However, a refeed may benefit them as well. I say that yes you could use a sugary type of refeed but be careful?? Sugar is sugar but not all sugars are created equal..... On refeeds I stay away from fructose (even though the jelly beans had fructose....god that was a bad example, I really opened up a can of worms here...lol, I just knew I could get away with the jelly beans in my diet). Also stay clear of fat. That is why ben and jerry's low fat frozen yogurt works well and so does cereal and skim milk.. Low in fat and not much fructose....You need to figure out how much sugar/carbs you need to ingest based on your body weight but just becareful not to go to crazy. One reason that the sugar refeed may not work for most is because they lose control and can't handle the cravings so a one-two day refeed turns into a week of cheating. I have never had this problem so I know I can handle it. As for you, that is something that you need to decide. How much weight are you losing per week still? How much do you weigh? How many cals/carbs are eating per day? And finally, hoe often do you carb up?
Pepper, don't be sorry, I stated in the begining that all questions, comments and suggestions are welcome.
When was the last time you did a refeed? I am not taking about a carb up but a refeed? Refeed's can be strange and are dependent of bf%. IE people with lower bf are going to refeed more often becuase there leptin levels drop quiker do to the fact that they have less bf. People with higher a bf% are in a fed state more often becuase their bf% is higher. However, a refeed may benefit them as well. I say that yes you could use a sugary type of refeed but be careful?? Sugar is sugar but not all sugars are created equal..... On refeeds I stay away from fructose (even though the jelly beans had fructose....god that was a bad example, I really opened up a can of worms here...lol, I just knew I could get away with the jelly beans in my diet). Also stay clear of fat. That is why ben and jerry's low fat frozen yogurt works well and so does cereal and skim milk.. Low in fat and not much fructose....You need to figure out how much sugar/carbs you need to ingest based on your body weight but just becareful not to go to crazy. One reason that the sugar refeed may not work for most is because they lose control and can't handle the cravings so a one-two day refeed turns into a week of cheating. I have never had this problem so I know I can handle it. As for you, that is something that you need to decide. How much weight are you losing per week still? How much do you weigh? How many cals/carbs are eating per day? And finally, hoe often do you carb up?
4/15 back/calfs
barbell rows
135x12
155x10
185x4(damn it, stupif me i should have used wraps)
185x6(okay, better, got my wraps on)
superset
A. wide grip pull ups
B. close grip seated cable rows
1a. bwx7
1b. 140x6
2a. bwx7
2b. 130x6
3a. bwx5
3b. 120x9
Wide neutral grip pull downs
140x10
150x9+1 forced rep
170x6
decline dumbell pull overs
45x15
55x12
seated goodmornings
115x25
135x15
135x12
calf press
(The number of plates listed refers the number of 45lb plates on each side of the leg press sled..ie 3 plates=6 total 45lb plates)
3 platesx23
5 platesx15
6 platesx12
6 platesx10
barbell rows
135x12
155x10
185x4(damn it, stupif me i should have used wraps)
185x6(okay, better, got my wraps on)
superset
A. wide grip pull ups
B. close grip seated cable rows
1a. bwx7
1b. 140x6
2a. bwx7
2b. 130x6
3a. bwx5
3b. 120x9
Wide neutral grip pull downs
140x10
150x9+1 forced rep
170x6
decline dumbell pull overs
45x15
55x12
seated goodmornings
115x25
135x15
135x12
calf press
(The number of plates listed refers the number of 45lb plates on each side of the leg press sled..ie 3 plates=6 total 45lb plates)
3 platesx23
5 platesx15
6 platesx12
6 platesx10
4/15 what i ate:
5g creatine
m1
1 scoop egg protein
1 whole egg
4 egg whites
1/4c. shredded mozzarella
omlet veggies
1/4c. oatmeal
m2
6oz chicken
1/4c brown rice (after cooking)
2 tsp flax
1 tbsp cider vinegar
salad
m3
1 can chunk light tuna
3 egg whites
1/3c oatmeal
1tbsp natty pb
m4(post w/o)
2 scoops optimum whey
1/2c oatmeal
m5
1 can albacore tuna
1 whole egg
1 egg white
1 tsp flax
3oz sweetpotato
m6
1.75c cottage cheese
3-4 strawberries
totals
2357.5 cals
288.5g protein
102g carbs
79g fat
50%p, 20%c, 30%f
5g creatine
m1
1 scoop egg protein
1 whole egg
4 egg whites
1/4c. shredded mozzarella
omlet veggies
1/4c. oatmeal
m2
6oz chicken
1/4c brown rice (after cooking)
2 tsp flax
1 tbsp cider vinegar
salad
m3
1 can chunk light tuna
3 egg whites
1/3c oatmeal
1tbsp natty pb
m4(post w/o)
2 scoops optimum whey
1/2c oatmeal
m5
1 can albacore tuna
1 whole egg
1 egg white
1 tsp flax
3oz sweetpotato
m6
1.75c cottage cheese
3-4 strawberries
totals
2357.5 cals
288.5g protein
102g carbs
79g fat
50%p, 20%c, 30%f
Okay I have noticed some interesting things. I have been getting stronger in stange exercise while I have either stayed the same or gotten a little weaker in others.. For example I have not really progressed on bench press but the amount of weight that I can do flyes with or dumbell press with has gone up?? I think the main reason for this, and the main reason that I have been gaining more size but not a crazy amount of strength is becuase I have been really focusing on making my form as strict as possible with very little cheating. I see tons of people in the gym just throwing weight around knowing full well that they could not do half of that weight if they tried to use proper/strict form.....So why am I boring you with this?? This is why:
Sicnce the readers of my journal have made themselves more vocal in the past few days ( I really apprreciate the responses guys...thanks) I want to take a little poll to see what you guys think:
Is it more important to you to keep your form as strict as possible without unwanted movement or assistance from any other body parts.. Or do you let your form slide a bit and cheat a little for the sake of increasing muscle mass and moving some heavier weight? What do you guys do/think?? Opinions please!!
Sicnce the readers of my journal have made themselves more vocal in the past few days ( I really apprreciate the responses guys...thanks) I want to take a little poll to see what you guys think:
Is it more important to you to keep your form as strict as possible without unwanted movement or assistance from any other body parts.. Or do you let your form slide a bit and cheat a little for the sake of increasing muscle mass and moving some heavier weight? What do you guys do/think?? Opinions please!!
i say you cheat a little but not much. keep a spotter nearby to control how much you cheat.
I prefer to stick with proper form but sometimes I tend to get pissed off and then I get sloppy. I wish I had a partner to help me correct this. I think for me it also depends on how much energy I have and how much sleep I got.
Searching for article...................
DM, where is the article? What is it about?
Jodi, what happens when you get pissed off, lol, do you squat like 300lbs??
RC, I usually train with a partner but I don't like to cheat if I have someone spotting me on an exercise. In my opinion the spotter should be helping you mover the weight threw your sticking point, instead of you having to use body motion (cheating) to do it.
Thanks for the replys guys. I feel that cheating is okay if it is used on the last couple reps of the last set of an exercise. If you have to cheat right from the begining of a set though I think you need to drop the weight and go with something lighter that you can control better.
Anyone else?
Jodi, what happens when you get pissed off, lol, do you squat like 300lbs??
RC, I usually train with a partner but I don't like to cheat if I have someone spotting me on an exercise. In my opinion the spotter should be helping you mover the weight threw your sticking point, instead of you having to use body motion (cheating) to do it.
Thanks for the replys guys. I feel that cheating is okay if it is used on the last couple reps of the last set of an exercise. If you have to cheat right from the begining of a set though I think you need to drop the weight and go with something lighter that you can control better.
Anyone else?
No but that is how I manage 225 last week. 
