hey guys got a question i hope you can help with i cant find any info on....is it possible to go from 5'11 230lbs natural at 15% bf to 230lbs 10%bf using the same caloric level the only difference is adding in anabolics and the diet is very clean
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biggiesmallz
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anabolics play little to no difference in your body composition, the FOOD that you eat, however, plays 100% into your entire structural framework.
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Im sorry everyone I will be the outcast here. There are absolutely cases where adding anabolics are the key to losing fat. 1st of all simply gaining muscle will start to help you loose fat. Second depending on your age and prior health it may be the only way to do it. I went from 20% to 12% after starting test. Before that I had tried for a few years to diet with no luck. Dieting only caused me to loose both muscle and fat. Anabolics allowed me to build muscle which in turn helped burn fat. If you are over 40, low on test , or like me had a long term illness a good cycle of test e is just what the dr ordered, you just have to be more careful on estro control because that fat will facilitate conversion.
Now if you are young (under 35) and have no prior health issues then no get your diet better first.
Now if you are young (under 35) and have no prior health issues then no get your diet better first.
SheriV
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gender wrong maybe but ...I've abused aas, used legal and illegal fat burners...some extreme (dnp) and the only time in my life I have seen major recomp (occurring now) is with 100% diet on point.
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^Wow brother, it's been a while. You been gone or I have I just been missing some of your posts?
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anabolics will definitely give u a nice boost if everything else is in check welcome man!
Thank you all i appreciate the responses....i am very well versed in diet,training ect.....i was drafted by colorado rockies outta highschool long story short i got hurt and ended my baseball run....im 21 with no prior use of any anabolics....but i have a great amount of knowledge about them bodybuilding was always a passion of mine but couldnt do it cuz i was a pitcher couldnt get to tight lol.
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Im not sure if you are educated on sarms in any way but they are exactly what you are looking for went wanting to MELT fat and build muscle at the same time... The triple stack protocol is an ultimate recomp... Here is an article I wrote on it...
oday I will explain to you all how to properly run a SARMS triple stack. You will often see me recommending this stack to many as the optimal bridge to run in between your cycles. This stack is efficient in many particular instances and circumstances aside from being ran as a bridge, especially when it comes to fat loss, lean muscle gain and novice users. The stack can also be used in the midst of a person cruising or on full out TRT or HRT. The beauty of this stack and SARMS in general is their versatility in how they can be used to accommodate different wants and goals. I am a strong proponent with the use of the triple stack because it allows a user to add quality and clean amounts of lean muscle while still being to able to drop body fat. This will be dictated by a user having a strict diet and training regiment but this stack enhances the probability of such results occurring. The protocol for SARMS is very dose and time specific and needs to be ran accordingly. SARMS, like any other product, need to be ran properly and responsibly and not abused in any fashion. Exceeding certain dosages and lengths can result in negative side effects, diminished results and future problems. If ran properly and accordingly, they can provide excellent results and an overall wonderful feel of well being. There are many users that often report feeling just as good, if not better, on SARMS use as they do when on cycle. This stack will provide users with an increase in strength, lean muscle and endurance. The cycle needs to be run with the proper ancillaries and mini pct to ensure maximum results and full recovery. Often times, I recommend the use of albuterol with this cycle, dependent upon the goal. I will explain how to dose and incorporate this as well. THE TRIPLE STACK SETUP This is the typical layout that I recommend for many triple stack users. 1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. 1-8 s4 50 mg day? split doses? 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. 1-8 gw 10-20 mg day? split doses 12 hours apart 1-8 hcgenerate OPTIONAL: 3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day mini pct 9-12 unleashed/post cycle combo
It also should be known that anyone who has gyno sensitivity or had problems in the past, that the use of an aromatase inhibitor should be utilized. The chances of this issue are not high, but it has been reported as a possible side effect with ostarine use. I would recommend a lighter AI protocol than normal to start than would normally be used. If one is using aromasin or arimidex, I would recommend starting the dosage at every three days as opposed to general every other day use. If you find that you need more, then it would be fine to switch it every other day use and adjust it as needed.
Ostarine (MK-2866): Ostarine can be ran safely and effectively between 8-12 weeks. One SHOULD NOT exceed 25 mg day of ostarine use. Exceeding 25 mg can lead to significant negative effects. This is when the reports of suppression and gyno seem to occur. These are possible problems at a lower dose as well but many of the problems occur when doses are abused. Ostarine is only needed to be taken once a day, in the morning. It has a long half life, thus making split dosages unnecessary. Ostarine will provide a nice increase in strength and lean mass gain. It will also provide healing benefits that will be of high benefit for many users. The dosing is very simple and if followed correctly, side effects should be minimal to none. Ostarine is very clean in terms of gains and provides a multitude of benefits. S4 (Andarine): S4 is often known as the strongest SARM but comes with the most side effect problems. S4 use should never exceed 8 weeks of use. The most common side effect associated with S4 is the vision issues that it can cause. S4 can bind to the receptors in the eyes, causing a yellow tint to be seen by users. It can cause a user to have a very hard time adjusting from lightness to darkness and can have a very negative effect on night vision. It is impossible to say how bad these effects can be, when they can occur and at what dosage because it is distinctively different from user to user. I have developed a method on how to properly dose S4 for you all which I am including in this article. The dosing protocol is VERY delicate and needs to be taken seriously. The half life of S4 is only 4-6 hours so the doses are split in two each day. Since the half life is so short, many users that develop the visions side effects will run S4 for 5 days and then take 2 days off to help combat the problem. This is a method that helps to complete a cycle of S4 but it is nice to avoid this as much as possible to get the most out of S4. Another side effect that comes with S4 is that it is the most suppressive when it comes to SARMS. The suppression is nowhere near that of a regular anabolic cycle but it is still apparent and needs to be known. S4 will provide an effect that would be comparable to winstrol in the AAS world in terms of muscle hardening and a more aesthetic look. It will provide strength and very lean muscle as well. The gains and effects are very noticeable with S4, especially for users that are already very lean. S4 needs to be taken very seriously and dosed delicately to be ran safely and effectively. Below is my method of how to properly dose S4. HOW TO PROPERLY DOSE S4 THE DYLAN GEMELLI METHOD Okay everyone? I wanted to write this up to make sure that everyone knows how to properly dose S4? As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light? Normally the adjustment period is very quick but can effect some much worse than others. Basically, s4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTAND that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen? 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some people get the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to get up to 100 mg a day with very minimal problems? There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try? The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on s4 is very short (around 4-6 hours) Some people are forced to go to dosing s4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they cannot handle the vision issue? I try to do everything I possibly can to avoid this because I do not want to miss any days of usage? So, it is important to understand how to dose s4 properly. Some people are content at staying at 50 mg for an entire 8 week cycle. Others, want to increase the dosage but there is a very specific protocol to follow to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum? I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson?s punchout. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down? This is the danger zone? Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because the fcker is still dangerous? This is the same with S4? You must go 2 weeks at 50 mg? If you get through the 2 weeks with minimal to no vision issues then you past the danger zone? You are safe then to increase your dosage but must proceed with caution? After two weeks you can bump to 60 mg? Now you are testing the waters? You must now stay on 60 mg between 10-14 days? I would say 12 is the safest bet? Then it is okay to increase again to 70 mg if you are able to? I feel like between 70 and 80 mg is the sweet spot however there is benefit up to 100 mg? You should continue to follow protocol of 10-14 days on each 10 mg incremental increase? By following this protocol, you could get up to 100 mg for at least the last week? You should NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN 100 mg? As I mentioned, the sweet spot is between 70-80 mg? Every increase needs to be with extreme caution and if the vision issues begin, you know where your boundary is? Some of us are luckier than others in terms of receptor binding? DO NOT BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage? Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing s4. GW-501516: Technically, GW is not a SARM but is more ?in the class? of SARMS. It is often utilized in conjunction with SARMS and is more in line with this grouping of chemicals. It is a key component to the triple stack. GW can safely and effectively be ran 8-12 weeks. The optimal dosage of GW is 10-20 mg day. The higher the dose, the more pronounced effects of endurance and fat loss will occur. GW provides users with an extreme increase in endurance and can have a pronounced effect in fat loss. The beauty of GW is that it is not catabolic, so if macros are taken in properly, it can still add muscle, while helping lose fat. GW is extremely effective and is used by many endurance athletes. The effects that it provides are very profound and noticeable very quickly. The half life of GW is longer but I always recommend a split dosage with 12 hours in between each dose. The side effects with GW are highly debatable. There are studies out that show it has led to cancer in rats while other studies so a completely adverse effect. It is very hard to determine the accuracies in these studies. Other than this, there are no seen side effects with it. Of course, you do not want to abuse dosage and length of usage and you should stay in the range that was provided above on amount and length. GW is a favorite amongst many and provides many benefits to users. SUPPORTS AND MINI PCT: I always recommend that a user take HcGenerate on every SARMS cycle. SARMS can cause suppression, especially with extended usage, thus it is imperative to keep suppression to a minimum. HcGenerate will not only keep suppression low but it will also keep the libido high and test levels higher throughout. It will make the transition into pct and recovery much easier as well. This is the main support that I recommend using with the stack. A 3 week mini PCT is required with SARMS cycles. It is never a bad idea to run it 4 weeks instead but it is not necessary. A SERM is not required in this PCT but it can be used if a user wants. I would not recommend depending a SERM only PCT if one decides to use it. My recommendation is the Unleashed/Post cycle combo for the mini PCT. Another nice recovery option would be Phytoserms ran as a stand alone. Either one of these will work as a mini PCT and lead to a quick and effective recovery. The use of albuterol in this stack is OPTIONAL and is normally recommended to users who want to lose extra fat or want an extra boost in endurance. FINAL THOUGHTS: I hope that this article has explained how to not only properly run a successful SARMS stack but also given you an outlook on the possible results. It is my intention to fully educate you on the positives and negatives of the stack and how to safely and effectively run it. I am always here to help in any way and am easily contacted on Evolutionary.org with any questions that you may have. Please always be safe and ask questions if you do not understand what you are doing. Work hard, stay motivated and continue to go after your goals!
oday I will explain to you all how to properly run a SARMS triple stack. You will often see me recommending this stack to many as the optimal bridge to run in between your cycles. This stack is efficient in many particular instances and circumstances aside from being ran as a bridge, especially when it comes to fat loss, lean muscle gain and novice users. The stack can also be used in the midst of a person cruising or on full out TRT or HRT. The beauty of this stack and SARMS in general is their versatility in how they can be used to accommodate different wants and goals. I am a strong proponent with the use of the triple stack because it allows a user to add quality and clean amounts of lean muscle while still being to able to drop body fat. This will be dictated by a user having a strict diet and training regiment but this stack enhances the probability of such results occurring. The protocol for SARMS is very dose and time specific and needs to be ran accordingly. SARMS, like any other product, need to be ran properly and responsibly and not abused in any fashion. Exceeding certain dosages and lengths can result in negative side effects, diminished results and future problems. If ran properly and accordingly, they can provide excellent results and an overall wonderful feel of well being. There are many users that often report feeling just as good, if not better, on SARMS use as they do when on cycle. This stack will provide users with an increase in strength, lean muscle and endurance. The cycle needs to be run with the proper ancillaries and mini pct to ensure maximum results and full recovery. Often times, I recommend the use of albuterol with this cycle, dependent upon the goal. I will explain how to dose and incorporate this as well. THE TRIPLE STACK SETUP This is the typical layout that I recommend for many triple stack users. 1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. 1-8 s4 50 mg day? split doses? 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. 1-8 gw 10-20 mg day? split doses 12 hours apart 1-8 hcgenerate OPTIONAL: 3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day mini pct 9-12 unleashed/post cycle combo
It also should be known that anyone who has gyno sensitivity or had problems in the past, that the use of an aromatase inhibitor should be utilized. The chances of this issue are not high, but it has been reported as a possible side effect with ostarine use. I would recommend a lighter AI protocol than normal to start than would normally be used. If one is using aromasin or arimidex, I would recommend starting the dosage at every three days as opposed to general every other day use. If you find that you need more, then it would be fine to switch it every other day use and adjust it as needed.
Ostarine (MK-2866): Ostarine can be ran safely and effectively between 8-12 weeks. One SHOULD NOT exceed 25 mg day of ostarine use. Exceeding 25 mg can lead to significant negative effects. This is when the reports of suppression and gyno seem to occur. These are possible problems at a lower dose as well but many of the problems occur when doses are abused. Ostarine is only needed to be taken once a day, in the morning. It has a long half life, thus making split dosages unnecessary. Ostarine will provide a nice increase in strength and lean mass gain. It will also provide healing benefits that will be of high benefit for many users. The dosing is very simple and if followed correctly, side effects should be minimal to none. Ostarine is very clean in terms of gains and provides a multitude of benefits. S4 (Andarine): S4 is often known as the strongest SARM but comes with the most side effect problems. S4 use should never exceed 8 weeks of use. The most common side effect associated with S4 is the vision issues that it can cause. S4 can bind to the receptors in the eyes, causing a yellow tint to be seen by users. It can cause a user to have a very hard time adjusting from lightness to darkness and can have a very negative effect on night vision. It is impossible to say how bad these effects can be, when they can occur and at what dosage because it is distinctively different from user to user. I have developed a method on how to properly dose S4 for you all which I am including in this article. The dosing protocol is VERY delicate and needs to be taken seriously. The half life of S4 is only 4-6 hours so the doses are split in two each day. Since the half life is so short, many users that develop the visions side effects will run S4 for 5 days and then take 2 days off to help combat the problem. This is a method that helps to complete a cycle of S4 but it is nice to avoid this as much as possible to get the most out of S4. Another side effect that comes with S4 is that it is the most suppressive when it comes to SARMS. The suppression is nowhere near that of a regular anabolic cycle but it is still apparent and needs to be known. S4 will provide an effect that would be comparable to winstrol in the AAS world in terms of muscle hardening and a more aesthetic look. It will provide strength and very lean muscle as well. The gains and effects are very noticeable with S4, especially for users that are already very lean. S4 needs to be taken very seriously and dosed delicately to be ran safely and effectively. Below is my method of how to properly dose S4. HOW TO PROPERLY DOSE S4 THE DYLAN GEMELLI METHOD Okay everyone? I wanted to write this up to make sure that everyone knows how to properly dose S4? As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light? Normally the adjustment period is very quick but can effect some much worse than others. Basically, s4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTAND that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen? 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some people get the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to get up to 100 mg a day with very minimal problems? There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try? The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on s4 is very short (around 4-6 hours) Some people are forced to go to dosing s4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they cannot handle the vision issue? I try to do everything I possibly can to avoid this because I do not want to miss any days of usage? So, it is important to understand how to dose s4 properly. Some people are content at staying at 50 mg for an entire 8 week cycle. Others, want to increase the dosage but there is a very specific protocol to follow to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum? I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson?s punchout. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down? This is the danger zone? Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because the fcker is still dangerous? This is the same with S4? You must go 2 weeks at 50 mg? If you get through the 2 weeks with minimal to no vision issues then you past the danger zone? You are safe then to increase your dosage but must proceed with caution? After two weeks you can bump to 60 mg? Now you are testing the waters? You must now stay on 60 mg between 10-14 days? I would say 12 is the safest bet? Then it is okay to increase again to 70 mg if you are able to? I feel like between 70 and 80 mg is the sweet spot however there is benefit up to 100 mg? You should continue to follow protocol of 10-14 days on each 10 mg incremental increase? By following this protocol, you could get up to 100 mg for at least the last week? You should NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN 100 mg? As I mentioned, the sweet spot is between 70-80 mg? Every increase needs to be with extreme caution and if the vision issues begin, you know where your boundary is? Some of us are luckier than others in terms of receptor binding? DO NOT BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage? Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing s4. GW-501516: Technically, GW is not a SARM but is more ?in the class? of SARMS. It is often utilized in conjunction with SARMS and is more in line with this grouping of chemicals. It is a key component to the triple stack. GW can safely and effectively be ran 8-12 weeks. The optimal dosage of GW is 10-20 mg day. The higher the dose, the more pronounced effects of endurance and fat loss will occur. GW provides users with an extreme increase in endurance and can have a pronounced effect in fat loss. The beauty of GW is that it is not catabolic, so if macros are taken in properly, it can still add muscle, while helping lose fat. GW is extremely effective and is used by many endurance athletes. The effects that it provides are very profound and noticeable very quickly. The half life of GW is longer but I always recommend a split dosage with 12 hours in between each dose. The side effects with GW are highly debatable. There are studies out that show it has led to cancer in rats while other studies so a completely adverse effect. It is very hard to determine the accuracies in these studies. Other than this, there are no seen side effects with it. Of course, you do not want to abuse dosage and length of usage and you should stay in the range that was provided above on amount and length. GW is a favorite amongst many and provides many benefits to users. SUPPORTS AND MINI PCT: I always recommend that a user take HcGenerate on every SARMS cycle. SARMS can cause suppression, especially with extended usage, thus it is imperative to keep suppression to a minimum. HcGenerate will not only keep suppression low but it will also keep the libido high and test levels higher throughout. It will make the transition into pct and recovery much easier as well. This is the main support that I recommend using with the stack. A 3 week mini PCT is required with SARMS cycles. It is never a bad idea to run it 4 weeks instead but it is not necessary. A SERM is not required in this PCT but it can be used if a user wants. I would not recommend depending a SERM only PCT if one decides to use it. My recommendation is the Unleashed/Post cycle combo for the mini PCT. Another nice recovery option would be Phytoserms ran as a stand alone. Either one of these will work as a mini PCT and lead to a quick and effective recovery. The use of albuterol in this stack is OPTIONAL and is normally recommended to users who want to lose extra fat or want an extra boost in endurance. FINAL THOUGHTS: I hope that this article has explained how to not only properly run a successful SARMS stack but also given you an outlook on the possible results. It is my intention to fully educate you on the positives and negatives of the stack and how to safely and effectively run it. I am always here to help in any way and am easily contacted on Evolutionary.org with any questions that you may have. Please always be safe and ask questions if you do not understand what you are doing. Work hard, stay motivated and continue to go after your goals!
ill give you guys a couple stats so you can get a gauge of where im at. these are my natural numbers just did a shot of 250mg enanthate monday so obviously no gains yet lol.
arms 17'
calves 19'
waist 32'
others im not sure but i have wide shoulders with a good vtaper in my lat spread and front double bi. id like to see how far i can with bodybuilding god and genetics willing
arms 17'
calves 19'
waist 32'
others im not sure but i have wide shoulders with a good vtaper in my lat spread and front double bi. id like to see how far i can with bodybuilding god and genetics willing
