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Whenever I read about, say a figure competitors training regime, the cardio is always between an hour and an hour and a half. Now I have no problem doing cardio this long, but my question is, what is their intensity likely at if they are doing it this long?

See when I do it, I'm usually running pretty fast for 45 minutes, then walking fast on an incline/jogging for the remainder.

After a while, it does seem kind of intense.
 
obviously, if they are going that long, the intensity is very low.

This is just another stupid myth from the bodybuilder camp.

Also, we can't take programs written for the chemically enhanced and apply them to others. things don't work that way.
 
Yah, I kind of had a hunch it was lower intensity but i wasnt 100% on it. Thanks P-Funk.

Also, what is your take on empty stomach cardio?
I've been doing it on and off...but I feel like my body will use my muscle for fuel before fat first thing in the morning.
 
Yah, I kind of had a hunch it was lower intensity but i wasnt 100% on it. Thanks P-Funk.

Also, what is your take on empty stomach cardio?
I've been doing it on and off...but I feel like my body will use my muscle for fuel before fat first thing in the morning.

empty stomach cardio has been discussed a million times over here. JUst do a search using my name to get my views. Long story short.....it is silly.
 
Thank you!
 
I do extended cardio (60-105 minutes) at intensities higher than most do cardio for 30 minutes but it's because that's what I can handle. When I do HIIT it's almost insane how much I push myself (it's the point of course). I think it's ultimately necessary to have a healthy balance of both to get what you're after.

There's Type I and II muscles to consider, as well as utilizing your body's metabolic furnace in more ways than one. This is another example of maximizing your fitness via multiple approaches.

Running in the morning when you haven't eaten anything is dumb mostly (at least in my opinion) because if you have no fuel in the way of glycogen stores and just flat being AWAKE you aren't going to reach your full potential... not even close. It's like cheating your body out of a decent workout.
 
I can usually run pretty fast for a long time too, with my HR at 180+
Only thing is, is i almost always get shin splints, or i irritate my once fractured foot too much.
i hate the elliptical! If theres any machine I feel like I'm doing nothing on it's the elliptical.
 
I get that feeling on the treadmill for the first 30 minutes or so, then I up the incline and up the speed and that feeling goes away haha.

The elliptical is a machine that won't push you, you have to push yourself on it. I sort of like the fact that they require you to control the pace 'cause then it's like a constant battle to keep it at a certain speed as you change the intensity.
 
I fly on those, even when i have a heavey resistance
i could stop actually moving my legs and the little pedals would keep going from my momentum haha
 
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Hah, you must have really crappy ellipticals though, 'cause if I could say one part of me has more power than anything else it would be my legs and stamina and I can kill myself easy on those things after a while.
 
I can usually run pretty fast for a long time too, with my HR at 180+
Only thing is, is i almost always get shin splints, or i irritate my once fractured foot too much.
i hate the elliptical! If theres any machine I feel like I'm doing nothing on it's the elliptical.
...swimming?
 
did it competetively for 4 years
mind you mine was synchronized swimming.
 
1 Hour cardio? hm, never really considered that. I do 30mins-45mins(rarely) HIIT on incline
 
Somewhat on this same subject, I ride my bike to work ~18 miles each way. Averages out to be an hour or so going and coming. Does that have the same general effect as 2 continuous hours of cardio?
 
no because you have time to rest and restore your ATP or whatever.
 
Yes it does have the same effect. Calories burned are calories burned. My NASM certification suggests that a person who has a hard time doing alot of work during a certain period of time could cut the workouts into halves and do the same thing and it is just like doing them continuously.
 
Maybe I am wrong, but storing ATP has more to do with anaerobic than aerobic? But we need to ask P about this one.
 


This is from that article, figured this would be easier:

Split Training

The question has arisen on whether splitting cardio into two sessions, rather than one in a given day, would increase gains. Almuzaini et al. (1998) investigated how splitting a 30-minute exercise bout on a cycle ergometer into two equal sessions effected excess post exercise oxygen consumption. Ten male volunteers participated in two trials. One trial consisted of 30 minutes of exercise at 70% VO2 max. The second trial was divided into two 15-min sessions, separated by 6 hours. A 20 minute measurement of EPOC was performed following each workout. Results showed that there was a significant overall increase from the two split training sessions (7.4 L of 02 consumed) compared to the single 30 minute session (5 L of O2 consumed). In a related study, by Kaminsky et al. (1990), EPOC was analyzed in six women following either a continuous 50 minute run, or 2-25 minute runs, separated by breaks in-between sessions, at 70% VO2 max during each trial. Results again demonstrated that EPOC following the split training session was significantly greater than one long duration session. Although, EPOC plays a small role in energy expenditure, split training will increase EPOC more than one continuous cardio session. Additionally, this could have psychological benefits, as doing a long cardio session, for instance, can be extremely tedious. Thus, separating cardio into two sessions may be of interest to the reader for this reason alone.

This further lends credence to Wilson???s (2003) dissertation on split training (read Hippocrates - Was He Hardcore?). Within, he clearly demonstrated that split training improves focus, and performance during each training session. Further, splitting workouts into two sessions would raise anabolic hormones two fold, instead of only once per day.

However, there is another vital issue to consider here. During long duration cardio, your ability to mobilize peripheral fats for fuels progressively increases. Thus, an hour of moderate intensity cardio, for fat burning effects, may be more beneficial, than separating it into two thirty-minute sessions. However, if an individual is to perform a short, 20 minute HIIT workout, in which carbohydrates are the dominant fuel used throughout, there should only be benefits from separating this into two 10-minute sessions.
 
However, if an individual is to perform a short, 20 minute HIIT workout, in which carbohydrates are the dominant fuel used throughout, there should only be benefits from separating this into two 10-minute sessions.

Yeah this is why I don't do 30 minutes straight of HIIT on one machine, I do 10 minute segments on 3 different machines with a rest period on between. The carb and sugar use when doing HIIT is so extended beyond when you actually stop the workout that you could probably rest 20 minutes between them and still be good to go.
 
Whenever I read about, say a figure competitors training regime, the cardio is always between an hour and an hour and a half. Now I have no problem doing cardio this long, but my question is, what is their intensity likely at if they are doing it this long?

See when I do it, I'm usually running pretty fast for 45 minutes, then walking fast on an incline/jogging for the remainder.

After a while, it does seem kind of intense.

Now what do you really consider "running pretty fast"? 'cause that could be subjective. I know a guy who runs regularly but never puts much into it, he conveyed to me that he thought 7mph was pretty darn fast, yet when I dull it down to 7mph I feel like I'm just jogging.
 
I run almost twice as fast on a treadmill than I do on the road. I find treadmill running very easy, but running outside is much harder.

The pace i can keep up fairly easily on the treadmill (10mph+)would be impossible to sustain for the same time outside.
 
I run almost twice as fast on a treadmill than I do on the road. I find treadmill running very easy, but running outside is much harder.
I am the exact opposite, I always run slower on the treadmill due to the "unnatural" feel and the fear of falling off. I could never run a six minute mile on a treadmill.

How can you sprint on a treadmill?
 
I sprint on the treadmill 'cause there's ONE that I found out of the 16 in the gym that doesn't slow down if you can't keep up. I know that's kind of dangerous but it helps me serve my purpose. I just kick it up to 12 mph and let it run, then I hop on for my intervals and hop off and walk in place.

IT is tough outside when I'm by myself 'cause if I'm sprinting I can't be holding my watch up the whole time to make sure I'm stopping at 30, 45, or 60 seconds. I wish it was like back when I was in basic training they had us sprint for 30 seconds then walk for 30 seconds for 20 minutes... but they sounded a little siren thing to let us know when to stop and start. I wish I could get someone with a siren to come out to the track with me haha.
 
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