chest and shoulders and back and shoulders?

[Fernando300]

was wondering if doing monday chest and shoulders
then wednesday back and shoulders would be okay? or would this lead to overtraining?

 

[Zaphod]

Depends on the shoulder routine and how quickly you recover. Originally I was doing shoulders with chest and just from fatigue one was going to suffer after doing the other. I switched shoulders to leg day, try to take advantage of the growth hormones squats cause the body to produce. Just a recent change so any longterm data on it is still out being collected.

But deltoids being a relatively small muscle group they don't need to be hit often. Maybe once or twice a week depending on your split.

 

[Fernando300]

Depends on the shoulder routine and how quickly you recover. Originally I was doing shoulders with chest and just from fatigue one was going to suffer after doing the other. I switched shoulders to leg day, try to take advantage of the growth hormones squats cause the body to produce. Just a recent change so any longterm data on it is still out being collected.

But deltoids being a relatively small muscle group they don't need to be hit often. Maybe once or twice a week depending on your split.

thanks an yea your right i have to see how my recovery abilities are. i just did chest delts and traps yesterday feelin sore on my chest and i'll see how i feel 2morrow to do back delts and traps i guess.

 

[rockhardly]

There is no need to do direct shoulder workouts more than one day per week. If you have a good program set up, they will get hit enough.

 

[Fernando300]

There is no need to do direct shoulder workouts more than one day per week. If you have a good program set up, they will get hit enough.

ya I know, I abandoned this idea last nite. Turns out im just going to give shoulders its own day like I was already doing before.

 

[unclem]

my opinion only, but unless you got a few yrs training behind you 1 time a wk isnt enough unless your gear free. your shoulders wont hold the stress to keep it pumped up until your next shoulder day. i would say 4 yrs non- stop training before 1 time a week.

 

[Merkaba]

I'm not a fan of this much shoulder work unless you're geared up. A good back and shoulder workout is going to have you working your shoulder capsules quite a bit.

I do direct shoulder workouts about once a month. Maybe twice if I'm bulking.

 

[Fernando300]

my opinion only, but unless you got a few yrs training behind you 1 time a wk isnt enough unless your gear free. your shoulders wont hold the stress to keep it pumped up until your next shoulder day. i would say 4 yrs non- stop training before 1 time a week.

Well I'm 20 and been lifting weights since age 16.
so about 3-4 years give or take

 

[Hutchym8]

Thers definatly no need to isolate shoulders twice a week... there a smal muscle group and not only that they are secondary in most lifts. They get smashed in your chest and your bak training. So train them on 1 of the days or train them sepratly which u stil run the risk of over training them. thers no need to train them and isolate them more than once a week unless your on juice u will just make them smaller. Less is more!!

 

[returnofthdragon]

How often you hit shoulders all depends on many factors: program, diet, genetics, fitness level etc. I you are trying to just tone up and limit your workout to high rep/light weight and rarely reach failure, then you would probably want to hit shoulders more than once a week. If you blast a muscle group going to failure during core and other lifts, then once a week is probably enough. There have only been two points in life when I could handle hitting my muscles hard twice a week. One was in college when I had two hours a day to spend in the gym for a few years and got in excellent shape naturally. I've also been able to do it again lately on a TRT dose of test. But my current workout isn't has hard because of time constraints. I don't have time to spend over an hour on one group in a day.

As for shoulders and pecs, those are two I would never combine. My anterior delt can't take that abuse. I have to put them as many days apart as I can. I usually combine pecs and tri's and shoulders have their own day.