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Gopro,

I've been reading that Clen can have serious side effects on the heart muscle even after a short period of time by causing them to harden.

Do you know if that is true or not?
 
Originally posted by mrguy
Gopro,

I've been reading that Clen can have serious side effects on the heart muscle even after a short period of time by causing them to harden.

Do you know if that is true or not?

If you have a healthy heart and do not abuse clen by using ridiculous amounts, than the worst side effects are simply tremors, nervousness, sweating, headaches, and a racing heart. These sides usually go away in a few days. However, for some sensitive individuals, clen is just too powerful.
 
Originally posted by jim
GP given the Clenbuterol/T3 stack, what are the repurcussions comming off the stack. Assume the 2 days on 2 days off for 4 weeks scenario. I heard that there may be significant water retention once done with the stack.

I want to lose the weight, and keep it off.

thanks

Well, it is really not water weight that is the problem, but FAT! If you do not come off correctly by tapering and using certain supplements, you will get a rebound effect and end up gaining alot of fat back! Your metabolism will be temporarily dead.
 
Originally posted by davidjasondean
I have heard some bad stuff with that combo. But I'm sure Go pro or BO etc. will care to comment further on this!

Well, both T3 and clen can have side effects...and in senstive individuals using them together can cause problems. But for most this is one of the most effective fat burning combos around. Again, the idea is to not abuse either compound...not to use them for too long...to taper properly...and to use certain supplements when coming off to help your metabolism kick back in on its own.
 
Originally posted by Gopro
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Anyway, I suggest a starting dose of 60 mcg per day...20 mcg 3 x per day. If you are going to use it for 4 weeks I would go to 80 mcg in week 2, than 100 in week 3 and 120 in week 4. Preferably I would then taper down for 1 more week.
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Gopro, thanks for the information you provide for all of us. It is nice to be able to ask a question of a person who obviously has the knowledge and is willing to share it.

On your post above about dosage, what you recommend for the tapering part of it. I'm 6'1, 220 lbs and fairly solid. Just need to lose that extra body fat.
 
Originally posted by gopro


Well, both T3 and clen can have side effects...and in senstive individuals using them together can cause problems. But for most this is one of the most effective fat burning combos around. Again, the idea is to not abuse either compound...not to use them for too long...to taper properly...and to use certain supplements when coming off to help your metabolism kick back in on its own.

When you mean taper off, say the Liquid Clenbuterol, how do you mean that? Are you referring to day usages or amount or both?
 
Originally posted by gopro


Well, it is really not water weight that is the problem, but FAT! If you do not come off correctly by tapering and using certain supplements, you will get a rebound effect and end up gaining alot of fat back! Your metabolism will be temporarily dead.

Ouch, as always we must be careful. What would you suggest as supplements for getting my metabolism running on its own?

And buy the way, thanks for all of the information you provide on a regular basis.
 
Gopro,

Have you heard of this manufactuer?

SUBSTANCE: CLENBUTEROL HYDROCLORIDE

MANUFACTURER NAME: NOVEGAM

CONTENTS: 20mcg/tab 20 tabs/box

ADMINISTRATION: oral

MANUFACTURER: Hoechst Marion Roussel

GRADE: Pharmaceutical

Thanks
 
Originally posted by mrguy
Gopro,

Have you heard of this manufactuer?

SUBSTANCE: CLENBUTEROL HYDROCLORIDE

MANUFACTURER NAME: NOVEGAM

CONTENTS: 20mcg/tab 20 tabs/box

ADMINISTRATION: oral

MANUFACTURER: Hoechst Marion Roussel

GRADE: Pharmaceutical

Thanks

Yes, Novegam is a legit brand of clen!
 
Originally posted by jim


Ouch, as always we must be careful. What would you suggest as supplements for getting my metabolism running on its own?

And buy the way, thanks for all of the information you provide on a regular basis.

The major problem with clen and T3 is the affect it can have on thyroid levels. To kick the thyroid back in, a product containing gugglesterones, coleus, and perhaps phosphates is advisable. Some good products are Gugglebolic from Syntrax, Triax 2 from Syntrax, and Metabolic Thyrolean by Pro Lab.

And, you are quite welcome. I'm glad to help out!
 
Originally posted by davidjasondean


When you mean taper off, say the Liquid Clenbuterol, how do you mean that? Are you referring to day usages or amount or both?

The overall amount for the day. I believe in tapering off of it just as you would with T3...in a pyramid scheme.
 
Originally posted by mrguy
Originally posted by Gopro
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Anyway, I suggest a starting dose of 60 mcg per day...20 mcg 3 x per day. If you are going to use it for 4 weeks I would go to 80 mcg in week 2, than 100 in week 3 and 120 in week 4. Preferably I would then taper down for 1 more week.
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Gopro, thanks for the information you provide for all of us. It is nice to be able to ask a question of a person who obviously has the knowledge and is willing to share it.

On your post above about dosage, what you recommend for the tapering part of it. I'm 6'1, 220 lbs and fairly solid. Just need to lose that extra body fat.

I would recommend it be tapered over more than a week actually. It really depends on how you use it and at what dosages. For the above scheme I would probably go from the 120 mcg to 100 for 3 days to 80 for 3 days to 60 for 3 days and then maybe to 40 for 3 more days.

There are other ways of using clen though, like in a 2 week on 2 week off pattern, with or without ECA.
 
Originally posted by gopro


I would recommend it be tapered over more than a week actually. It really depends on how you use it and at what dosages. For the above scheme I would probably go from the 120 mcg to 100 for 3 days to 80 for 3 days to 60 for 3 days and then maybe to 40 for 3 more days.

There are other ways of using clen though, like in a 2 week on 2 week off pattern, with or without ECA.

I kinda figured that but I wanted to make sure.

Thnx GP!
 
Originally posted by davidjasondean


I kinda figured that but I wanted to make sure.

Thnx GP!

You're welcome as always!
 
After reading all this stuff about clenbuterol, I have to say DNP sounds like a far better choice. I have heard clen ups your metabolism 3-5% while just one 200mg cap of DNP will raise your metabolism 20-25%!!! Do a 4 day DNP blitz cycle and up to 10 lbs of pure fat can be lost!!!! I don't know how much that clen costed you, but I paid $70.00 for 100 caps. The only bad effect I had was sweating! Just my opinion. I read about all the bad effects clen has. Does not sound to safe.
 
DNP is about 100 times more dangerous than clen...hands down!
 
Shit,
That I did not know. Stick with the clen then. Just be sure on the doses and be xtra careful!!! Take care!
 
Originally posted by gonzaox
Shit,
That I did not know. Stick with the clen then. Just be sure on the doses and be xtra careful!!! Take care!

Sure...the effective dose for DNP and the lethal dose are not too many milligrams apart...not much room for error!
 
Got My Clen Today

Well, after having the first smaller order seized by customs, the provider made good and sent me tripple the amount and then refunded my money. (couldn't ask for more customer service than that!)

I received the Novegam today and am ready to start my Clen cycle. I'll follow the advice on the board and do a two on two off cycle.

With a good diet, solid lift routine and reading these boards, I'm ready to get ripped!!!!!:eek:
 
Trouble with the liquid Clen...Ventipulmin is that it is hard to divide the dose up throughout the day...if I remember correctly one pump is equal to 80mcgs...this makes it hard to use anything other than 80-160mcgs per day. BTW...it tastes pretty good...almost like cough syrup...very popular on the east coast here in Canada!
 
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justa comment dnp is seriously some scary stuff you can actuely cook alive from it. It is a drug for the pros not the ameteur. Sure you can lose 5-10 lbs of fat a week but be prepared fro hell. Not to mention you have to tweak your diet a bit using fructose. I would not recomend it for any one unless they are a pro and know what they are doing
 
Originally posted by crackerjack414
justa comment dnp is seriously some scary stuff you can actuely cook alive from it. It is a drug for the pros not the ameteur. Sure you can lose 5-10 lbs of fat a week but be prepared fro hell. Not to mention you have to tweak your diet a bit using fructose. I would not recomend it for any one unless they are a pro and know what they are doing

Nobody...even pros...should use it!
 
I'd argue that, but I won't as you are still larger than I and a mod in this forum :D

Super clen is .2mg~200mcg
IP's dosing of this product is to start @ .25 tab ~ 50mcg and increase by tolerance even up to 1 tab ~ 200mcg.

A lil much, but many have and have been fine, though I do not reccomend as such. The most common max dose I observe is 150mcg

As for DNP... you won't die @ 200mg... but I will never advise or suggest this drug.
 
I know of too many horror stories with regard to DNP. A bodybuilders mentality is one of excess and DNP is not to be fooled around with in excess. There are ways to get shredded without going into TOO dangerous of territory...and my opinion is DNP lies in that territory.

And I'm bigger than you...so there ;)
 
I have hear that Frank Zane is supposedly life dependant on thyroid stuff, anyone heard this?
 
Originally posted by Mudge
I have hear that Frank Zane is supposedly life dependant on thyroid stuff, anyone heard this?

Never heard that? Where did you get that from?
 
Originally posted by cornfed
Yeah? well, I'm cuter and innocent too! :p

A-hole! :flipoff: :D

j/k:D

Yeah well, Milos Sarcev is cuter than Ronnie Coleman, but Milos will never beat him in a contest!

Oh, and innocent guys don't call others assholes...prick ;)
 
Originally posted by gopro


Never heard that? Where did you get that from?

Just a member board, I sure thought it was ridiculous, he was small but he wasn't .7% bodyfat or anything so I'm really not sure, just another looney comment I guess then.
 
Originally posted by Mudge


Just a member board, I sure thought it was ridiculous, he was small but he wasn't .7% bodyfat or anything so I'm really not sure, just another looney comment I guess then.

yeah...probably bullshit...but who knows!?
 
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