Countdown To War

[Little Wing]

one question... cui bono? saudi arabia. everyone else loses. nuff said.

 

[[SIL]]

waivers are granted everyday. I was given a waiver after filling out a "family care plan". No need to give up custody. I was Guard but went to basic with several regular actve duty that also had waivers.
The military doesn't give a fuck on this one, trust me. And if you have to deploy and can't get shit battened down and have to hand your kids over to cps, guess what...hand over your kids to cps or be court martialed .
Also, my unit was a medical unit; ground ambulance attached to a CSH to be specific. My unit provided care for anyone that needed it , even if they were a true enemy combatant.
It is a very strange mentality to have to have, to make the snap decision as to whether you're shooting the small child approaching your convoy getting ready to throw something. Are they throwing a rock? Are they throwing paper-trash? or are they throwing a bomb...and if you hesitate will your brothers and sisters in arms be killed because you couldn't do it.

Thankfully for me...I never had any choices like that, but I don't condemn anyone who has.
yeah, I get it..killing is bad. It should be black and white and I agree politicians are a bunch of entitled fuck faces that causes needless suffering..but not everything is neatly wrapped up and black and white.


and to any civilian, please dont ever ask a vet if they killed someone...ever.

have you killed someone?

 

[Little Wing]

good thing this guy didn't put his 2 cents worth into this thread...

Stephen King thinks military people are stupid - YouTube

 

[SheriV]

have you killed someone?

only gay nazi's

 

[s2h]

do me a favor and collect and post photos of all the children you're ok with calling "collateral damage" that this country has stacked up in the last 13 years. then hush. being ordered to kill children by an out of control military with a corrupt agenda doesn't make it ok. Our military kills little kids and calls it collateral damage... deal with it and stop excusing it. i'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so quick to rationalize it if it was your kids getting blown to shit. but it's not is it so it's some kind of twisted ok? it wouldn't matter that some of their soldiers pass out candy when some others throw it in front of trucks so they can run over the AMERICAN kids that go to gather it up. your sense of outrage would be less huh?


Brandon Bryant: Drone operator followed orders to shoot a child... and decided he had to quit | Mail Online

if some 10yr old kid rolls up on my team with a bomb vest on or an Ak..he will be meeting his maker on the other side via 5.56mm...

 

[jay_steel]

Americans conceive any one under 18 as a child. Some countries find this as a weakness because they actually start their training at a VERY young age. Some even have them start at the age of 13 with consent of their parents. So if we were to go to war with these countries we would be forced to kill 13 year olds. Sounds horrible, but its life. Everyone is so desensitized by American values that they can not even fathom what takes place in other countries. Sadams son Uday use to drive around looking for weddings to rape the bride. When your at war you cant think about your moral values you have to react on whats legal and will keep your men alive. There is no black and white with war, there is only allot of grey areas. When your over there to you will be so much enraged that you will want to kill everyone too.

My first trip, there was a work truck VBIED. That kills no military just their people, we went to inspect and pulled bodyparts of kids out of rumble, you reach down for an arm hoping to find someone with life and all you find is a severed limb. It takes a VERY level headed man or women to do this job. Not everyone is cut out of it which i still serve because someone has to do the dirty work in this country and i rather it be me, then forced upon with the people i love.

 

[Little Wing]

Winter Soldiers: Clifton Hicks and Steven Casey - YouTube

Rules of Engagement | Iraq Veterans Against the War

these guys give testimony of civilians killed that were obviously non combatant. he said 700ish just in one town and swore there was not one combatant. just very hard to believe every single civilian killed was thought a threat. that's just not the case.

 

[Little Wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Zthm4PnKw

much longer statements.

 

[s2h]

Your gonna believe a snitch with a porn stash....

 

[Little Wing]

hundreds of them all saying pretty much the same thing? fucking a right i believe them. as one said, "There comes a time when silence is betrayal."

 

[Little Wing]

ALL_AMERICA_MUST_SEE_THIS_Breaking_Reality_2013 - YouTubea little out there but people are getting riled.

 

[cube789]

have you killed someone?

defibrillators are no joke

 

[M-Way]

^^^lol.

 

[s2h]

hundreds of them all saying pretty much the same thing? fucking a right i believe them. as one said, "There comes a time when silence is betrayal."

At least he could have forgone the porn stash....very 80's...

 

[Little Wing]

At least he could have forgone the porn stash....very 80's...

are you talking about the soldiers that thought it'd be funny to wave their dicks at a group of little kids or soldiers showing porn to detainees? or maybe you just miss your stash from the 80s? i think most porn stashes are on computer now.

 

[Little Wing]

i'm skeptical about the bin ladin porn stash. it wasn't clearly linked to him if it did exist and seems like discrediting propaganda to be frank.

 

[jacmo]

How the hell does this make sense? Assad uses Sarin and kill a thousand people. Tragic? YES! Now we (American govt) wants to launch 200 Tomahawk missiles as well as strikes from B-1 and B-2 bombers. How many Syrians will die from that? Soo... It's OK to BLOW THEM UP just dont gas em?!?! WTF??

 

[M-Way]

How the hell does this make sense? Assad uses Sarin and kill a thousand people. Tragic? YES! Now we (American govt) wants to launch 200 Tomahawk missiles as well as strikes from B-1 and B-2 bombers. How many Syrians will die from that? Soo... It's OK to BLOW THEM UP just dont gas em?!?! WTF??

America is basically saying there is a moral line that every country on the globe cannot cross. The red line. You can do what you like up to a point in your sovereign borders but there are things you will never be allowed to do. One is the systematic industrial killing of your citizens. The problem is the gap between the desire for the red line (and it is a right and good desire) and the difficulty in being consistent, both now and the baggage of past and historic inconsistencies, hypocrisies and abuses that haunt.

Why bother with the red line? Why be the world police? Well why bother with democracy, why bother with emancipation? Why bother with WHO targets etc? The arrow can only point in one direction, these things are what a benign order has to strive for. It can be ignored and avoided but any decent president will see it as the highest form of good they can do, to at least to move it along a little.

Put another way, did they ignore the red line on their watch? Did they do anything to move the arrow along. Or did they hide in home affairs? Did they just protect themselves politically from the danger of it?

Obama is pushing this for end reasons that far outweigh the means that people in this thread are bitching about. Omlettes and eggs.

 

[Little Wing]

How the hell does this make sense? Assad uses Sarin and kill a thousand people. Tragic? YES! Now we (American govt) wants to launch 200 Tomahawk missiles as well as strikes from B-1 and B-2 bombers. How many Syrians will die from that? Soo... It's OK to BLOW THEM UP just dont gas em?!?! WTF??

it makes way more sense that saudi arabia orchestrated this to get us to attack then launch a full blown war when someone retaliates.

 

[Little Wing]

curt posted something about kerry admitting the oil sheiks are offering to pay for this war. Kerry Tells Congress That Oil Sheiks Will Pay US for War to Unseat Assad

 

[theCaptn']

America is basically saying there is a moral line that every country on the globe cannot cross. The red line. You can do what you like up to a point in your sovereign borders but there are things you will never be allowed to do. One is the systematic industrial killing of your citizens. The problem is the gap between the desire for the red line (and it is a right and good desire) and the difficulty in being consistent, both now and the baggage of past and historic inconsistencies, hypocrisies and abuses that haunt.

This is bullshit. Genocidal atrocities are common in Africa - re Dalfour in Sudan - America sent a bunch of Celebrities to sort it out

 

[Little Wing]

if we hand prisoners over to the Iraqi police to get raped with bottles so we can gather "intelligence" i don't think we have any right to draw morality lines for anyone else.

 

[M-Way]

This is bullshit. Genocidal atrocities are common in Africa - re Dalfour in Sudan - America sent a bunch of Celebrities to sort it out

True. I have to maintain my own consistency.

 

[M-Way]

But if you read the post properly, you stupid thick cunt, you'd see I made a catch-all which encompasses your example. This makes Little Shrew's 'like' the perfect woodentop bookend to match. A brace of vacant tarts. There is too little time to educate pork.

 

[Little Wing]

But if you read the post properly, you stupid thick cunt, you'd see I made a catch-all which encompasses your example. This makes Little Shrew's 'like' the perfect woodentop bookend to match. A brace of vacant tarts. There is too little time to educate pork.

i was agreeing with you. you on the rag? you mentioned hypocrisies and abuses. it's very clear we were making the same point. your mom didn't breast feed you did she?

 

[Little Wing]

i read it as captn agreeing with you usa drawing moralities lines was bullshit not your pointing it out. if it was about morality we'd be drawing them in places where we don't stand to gain anything but moral victories and we don't do that as he pointed out.

 

[M-Way]

i was agreeing with you. you on the rag? you mentioned hypocrisies and abuses. it's very clear we were making the same point. your mom didn't breast feed you did she?

Next time maybe post 'I agree' rather than obliquely liking an easily misinterpretable post by someone else.

You offering to?

i read it as captn agreeing with you usa drawing moralities lines was bullshit not your pointing it out. if it was about morality we'd be drawing them in places where we don't stand to gain anything but moral victories and we don't do that as he pointed out.

Nothing can be done simply for the moral good alone, many things have to be served by an expensive intervention. It has to win future votes, pay for itself and hey, generate some profit, spread the payback around to backers. They are webs, in some aspects cold and sinister enough to feed you with paranoid teen anti-parent-therefore-all adult-establishment conspiracy theories.

Run a government, tell me how you got along.

 

[s2h]

are you talking about the soldiers that thought it'd be funny to wave their dicks at a group of little kids or soldiers showing porn to detainees? or maybe you just miss your stash from the 80s? i think most porn stashes are on computer now.

I hope it was not 80's porn...a few Sara Jay v Mandingo videos would get the Al Camelqedo spilling more then there beans...

 

[s2h]

curt posted something about kerry admitting the oil sheiks are offering to pay for this war. Kerry Tells Congress That Oil Sheiks Will Pay US for War to Unseat Assad

Sure they will...there oil pipelines all run thru Syria to sea ports...nobody cares about Sarin gas or kids getting capped or better 80's porn stash GI's jiggling there ding dongs(well except you LW)..its about oil and money.. ...

We have to lead the way so my Jewish brothers dont get the red ass and start wiping the middle east like a dirty asshole...

Mulatto Obama just doesn't know which dick to get in his mouth first...so hence the huge cluster fuck....

 

[Little Wing]

i just read this and thought it should be posted here


President Obama

So why then does our president appear to be beating the drums of war? The simple answer is he is now regarded as a hawkish leader before the US and the world. And he does so without having to fire a shot. He appears wholeheartedly in favor of a strike and is playing the part well. The hawk stands upon his perch without lifting a talon as Congress now takes any and all responsibility for lack of action on the part of the US. And during this entire debacle, he even manages to make republicans come out as anti-war; something even no one thought possible only a month ago.