Creatine

[Burrn]

Yes I know there are more articles on this than in the library of congress.....but.

Has creatine gone the way of the dinosaur? It seems the hype has dwindled. Is anybody still doing it? I frequent a large Gold's gym and there are few and far between using it.

 

[heavylifting1]

I don't use it with things like Anavar or Dianabol theres no need to, well for me atleast.

 

[CaptainNapalm]

Yup, I still use it with great results.

 

[longworthb]

Doesn't seem as popular as it use to be but I still use it. Always post workout

 

[dave 236]

Its still in wide spread use. It just isn't talked about as much anymore. I think its pretty much assumed most people who train regularly use it.

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[Burrn]

Thanks guys. It has some perks, I guess.

 

[Dr.G]

i don't use it at all , tried it but no real results besides water retention, and i am convinced that it is bad for your kidneys in the long run. at least it is my point of view: i go for the least amount of supplements you can get away with. i have tried everything and after 36 years in the gym i see no significant evidence of better results with supplements vs a healthy diet.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

Yes I know there are more articles on this than in the library of congress.....but.

Has creatine gone the way of the dinosaur? It seems the hype has dwindled. Is anybody still doing it? I frequent a large Gold's gym and there are few and far between using it.

Creatine is one of the few real deals. There no hype about it, just facts.

Very few individuals at gym have a clue about anything. So, it no wonder those that take it are "few and far between".

Kenny Croxdale

 

[longworthb]

I've used it for as long as I can remember. Started in highschool and its always been part of my post workout plus I've used the same brand that taste amazing lol

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

i don't use it at all , tried it but no real results besides water retention, and i am convinced that it is bad for your kidneys in the long run. at least it is my point of view:

Non-Responders

Some individuals are non-responders. Thus, if it didn't work for you, you appear to be a non-responder.

However, the majority of individuals who use it get a postive bounce out of using it: Increase in Strength and Power.

Water Retension

The water retension is "Cell Volumizing", a superhydration of the muscle cells.

The superhydration provide an anabolic enviroment for muscle growth.

The superhydration of the muscle cells allows athlete to produce more force, strength.

Cycling

Creatine is usually cycled, being on it for about 4 weeks and off for 4 weeks.

Once you stop using creatine, what water weight you have gained is lost.

No longer term use of creatine when cycled or used intermittently has been shown to create health problems.

i go for the least amount of supplements you can get away with. i have tried everything and after 36 years in the gym i see no significant evidence of better results with supplements vs a healthy diet.

Some supplements are effective and some arn't.

Blaket statement that generalize all supplements says nothing.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Booby]

I use creatine and always get great results from it...I cycle on and off and usuually get back on to blast past plateaus...The first week on creatine i always put on atleast 10lbs of water which always makes my max lifts go up, and my reps always increase...Before someone says anything its intramuscular water weight not subqutaneous...I love creatine and its one of the few store bought supplements that really work.

 

[gman10]

With ALL the other shit that's in pre,post and protein shakes I can't tell the difference anymore. However, creatine was the first supp I took years ago(phosfogen hp) and I clearly remember it made a noticeable difference in the endurance of my last few reps of a set.....

 

[CaptainNapalm]

i don't use it at all , tried it but no real results besides water retention, and i am convinced that it is bad for your kidneys in the long run. at least it is my point of view: i go for the least amount of supplements you can get away with. i have tried everything and after 36 years in the gym i see no significant evidence of better results with supplements vs a healthy diet.

There is no such thing as "supplements vs a healthy diet". Supplements (such as creatine) are there to compliment/supplement your diet, not replace it. Protein and Creatine supplements are designed to provide you with high quality levels of the compound, without that unwanted byproducts you'd have oversaturated yourself with if you got the same from food. Creatine is proven to increase performance and getting the required amount to make a difference from "healthy diet" will likely have you eating away on steak all day like it's jellybean candy.

 

[Burrn]

Good stuff guys. Kenny: thanks for the "in depth". I certainly could use more energy and stamina these days.

 

[Dr.G]

There is no such thing as "supplements vs a healthy diet". Supplements (such as creatine) are there to compliment/supplement your diet, not replace it. Protein and Creatine supplements are designed to provide you with high quality levels of the compound, without that unwanted byproducts you'd have oversaturated yourself with if you got the same from food. Creatine is proven to increase performance and getting the required amount to make a difference from "healthy diet" will likely have you eating away on steak all day like it's jellybean candy.

i believe you can get all you need from food, at least this works for me, If I can get away from all the artificial ingredients that come with the supplements then it is good I guess. as I said earlier I have not seen any difference with or without supplements the essential is to get the nutrients you need, anything extra will do more harm than good.

 

[dave 236]

i believe you can get all you need from food, at least this works for me, If I can get away from all the artificial ingredients that come with the supplements then it is good I guess. as I said earlier I have not seen any difference with or without supplements the essential is to get the nutrients you need, anything extra will do more harm than good.

The fact is many people do benefit from certain supplements. Creatine has many benefits that have been proven in numerous peer reviewed studies. You apparently are against the use of such things. Let's just go on record and stipulate that fact. Hell maybe we can make it a sticky so you don't have to insinuate your opinions on the evils of vit C or what ever in every thread Seine posts asking for advice on these things. In other words we get it. You don't like it.

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[Booby]

You would have to consume 10lbs of beef a day to get the same amount of creatine in 1 teaspoon of supplement powder.

 

[CaptainNapalm]

i believe you can get all you need from food, at least this works for me, If I can get away from all the artificial ingredients that come with the supplements then it is good I guess. as I said earlier I have not seen any difference with or without supplements the essential is to get the nutrients you need, anything extra will do more harm than good.

My friend, everything we eat these days is in some form artificial or at least contains artificial ingredients to some degree.. unless you farm your own food in your backyard. I agree with you, a lot of what people take is unnecessary however I've eaten extremely clean and high protein diet (rich in nutrients) and I could never quite lift as much as I could when taking creatine. Therefore, I can tell you from my experience that you can't get all you need from a "healthy diet", you can do more by supplementing right. But hey that's just me.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

i believe you can get all you need from food, at least this works for me, If I can get away from all the artificial ingredients that come with the supplements then it is good I guess. as I said earlier I have not seen any difference with or without supplements the essential is to get the nutrients you need, anything extra will do more harm than good.

"I Believe"

The inferance of "I believe" means that it comes you guessing and having nothing to really back it up.

The Evil Axis of Supplements

You really want to keep this flapjack on the grill. That being...

1) Alls supplements come with artificial ingredients.

So, what artificial ingredient is in creatine?

Generalized statements with nothing to back them up have no meaning.

Because I said work for a child but not for most adults.

2) Taking "anything extra will do more harm than good".

The inferance here is "Everything in moderation". However, ...

Moderation = Mediocrity

No one every got anywhere without pushing the limits. It is a balancing act of trying to push the limit without going too far over or running it in the red for too long.

Survive or Thrive

The Recommended Daily Allowance for protein is about .8 gram per kg of body weight.

That means a 90 kg (198 lb) adult would need to consume 72 gram per day.

Reserch has demonstrated that those training hard need to consume around 1.2 - 2 gram per kg of body weight.

That means a 90 kg adult training hard would need 108 -180 gram per day.

Protein Supplements

Consuming 180 gram of protein a day via food is difficult. Consuming protein supplements makes it easier.

Not only that but you can select the right protein for the right job. Whey is anabolic. Caseinate is anti-catabolic.

Naplam Nailed

There is no such thing as "supplements vs a healthy diet". Supplements (such as creatine) are there to compliment/supplement your diet, not replace it. Protein and Creatine supplements are designed to provide you with high quality levels of the compound, without that unwanted by products you'd have oversaturated yourself with if you got the same from food. Creatine is proven to increase performance and getting the required amount to make a difference from "healthy diet" will likely have you eating away on steak all day like it's jellybean candy.

"Complement Your Diet"

I love how Napalm stated this.

One of the purposed of supplement is to create a synergistic training effect. 2 + 2 = 5!

In other words...Creatine + Hard Training = Bigger, Stronger Muscles

Creatine Health Benefits

Creatine has a mutlitide of health benefits. So, it not just for those who train.

Creatine is one of THE most research supplements on the market, so it not hard to find data on the health beneifts.

Choices

There a lot of hyped supplement on the market.

However, some supplements deliver on their promise.

The key is finding which ones enhance one training response.

Part of this form is about is trading information and learning from other what works and doesn't work.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[dirtwarrior]

What is the proper way to get the most out of creatine

 

[fit26]

Creatine should be completely dissolve in hot water before taking in, or you are wasting your money. I stir it in hot water or hot tea until it becomes clear, then drink it, followed by protein and dextrose.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

What is the proper way to get the most out of creatine

What is commonly recommended is that creatine be mixed with a high glycemc index carbohydrate. You can google information on it.

However, from what I have seen there appear to be three type of individuals when it comes to creatine (as well as other things).

1) Non-Reponders. No matter how these individuals use creatine, it's not going to work for them.

Unfortunaltely, I am a Non-Reponder.

2) Normal Responders. These individuals obtain some degree of results from using creatine when it is consumed under the right conditions.

3) Super Repsonders. No matter how or when these individuals take creatine, the get a huge positive bounce from it.

I had friend in this catagory. Not matter what he mixed creatine in or when he took it, he got basically overnight results.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Dr.G]

My friend, everything we eat these days is in some form artificial or at least contains artificial ingredients to some degree.. unless you farm your own food in your backyard. I agree with you, a lot of what people take is unnecessary however I've eaten extremely clean and high protein diet (rich in nutrients) and I could never quite lift as much as I could when taking creatine. Therefore, I can tell you from my experience that you can't get all you need from a "healthy diet", you can do more by supplementing right. But hey that's just me.

true that is why you should avoid any artificial stuff as much as possible. i respect your your opinion.but as far as i am concerned i have used all kinds of stuff you can ever think of and after 36+ years of training i stopped all kinds of supplements besides multivitamins from time to time and with a healthy natural diet i am much better than ever, even better than when i took steroids believe it or not, not as cut but i feel much better, i don't even know how much protein a day i eat , i eat meat with moderation and concentrate on vegetables. i don't believe in wasting my time calculating how many grams of protein i ate this day and that day, what makes a difference for me is intelligent training.
and perhaps as Kenny said i do not respond to creatine but in general creatine supplementation for a long time can lead to kidney problems i have seen it with my own eyes.

 

[theCaptn']

The supplement industry loves the term 'non-responder'. It's a great cop-out for selling worthless crap and hoping the placebo-effect kicks in.

Yes there is a lot of research on creatine, I don't doubt it works. It appears I'm a 'non-responder' but I take it anyway cause its cheap. I don't feel vitamins or fish oil either but I trust the science and take them anyway

 

[fit26]

It works for me. I work out empty stomach but still have lots energy. I take it post workout with hot water or hot tea.

 

[Intense]

It's not popular on these forums because everyones on gear.


I use it because it actually helps my muscles hold more water and I can squeeze in an extra rep or two. Im natty right now tho, on cycle I dont

Creatine should be completely dissolve in hot water before taking in, or you are wasting your money. I stir it in hot water or hot tea until it becomes clear, then drink it, followed by protein and dextrose.

That's just not true.

I had friend in this catagory. Not matter what he mixed creatine in or when he took it, he got basically overnight results.

Kenny Croxdale

Your friend was on that dbol creatine.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

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Your friend was on that dbol creatine.

No he wasn't.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Intense]

No he wasn't.

Kenny Croxdale

it was sarcasm brother man

 

[bdeljoose]

I am a non-responder. I have tried countless number of differnt brands of creatine, none of them have done anything for me. I get blood work done every 3 months for my meds from a back injury. My dr. freaked out and thought i was going through kidney failure. I told him about creatine use and got a big long lecture on the use of it. I quit creatine and had my blood retested a week later and things were returning to normal.

 

[Dr.G]

^^^ exactly it can really mess up your kidneys in the long run...this is why creatine users should be tested all the time....it is not worth the effort at least for me.