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Muscle Gelz Transdermals
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im usiong Ultra G and South Lab

Tried to shorten it down... didnt want to give full name ya know
 
24 carbs a day is good now fina on the other hand i dont know to much about ive heard people getting the "cough" after the first week of use and then it goes away you might want to ask mudge i think it vaires from maker to maker.
 
24g carbs is about dead minimum for keeping any glycogen in the body. For people doing longer workouts you need more, no ifs about it.

Bodyopus is a Dan Duchaine book.

I dont get fina cough, fina breath I get in about 10 seconds though with anything around the 100mg area.
 
so what u think?? u think i will lose muscle on this plan.... ur the one with all the books... rite now icant afford them...
 
Personal choice, 40g carbs is nothing. 2 servings of oatmeal with no sugar is 54g carbs right there. I would have some carbs before a workout and some after. I think he is trying to do things too quickly, and I dont like yo yo diets, it doesn't work for my genetics.

I've already said what I think many times, then you just ask the same questions. Scale back slowly is how I prefer to do it, otherwise I lose body mass of every kind. I can maintain most of the meat but not all of it. You pull carbs and muscle is going to go away, by water and by meat itself.

50-75g carbs is about the minimum I would use if I actually planned on keeping what I have.
 
so whats this about cardio on a empty stomach...
 
It is there because you have no food in the body, so you prey that bodyfat is burned as fuel instead of glycogen.

Youre asking gearheads about diet and many of the diet smart people dont come in here bro, you are in the wrong forum.
 
lol well i guess im not going to be able to burn Any fat... for christ sake.... and the only reason i ask the same questions is because UR skinny (not like skinny skinny) im fat... Just hoping u would know a little info on what i should do if im already Big and strong enough just wanted to lose about 15-20lbs of fat
 
i've already been in diet... there not on roids my friend... i get alot of lame as threads that dont meen shit
 
Originally posted by Just a guy
and the only reason i ask the same questions is because UR skinny (not like skinny skinny) im fat...

I consider myself "fat" more than skinny, I'm at least 15% bodyfat bro, I dont really care to know though. As long as I keep my gut under 40" I am ok with it, because its the only way I can put on serious weight. Eating all my carb calories in rice is very difficult because the water when you cook the shyt bloats it up, filling me up too easily. Same with oatmeal, full of water.

Diet is a science man and when you have a stubborn body that is where you have to spend all your time. I carry a naturally high bodyfat percentage, I have since I was probably 12 years old or so.
 
im 230 and 5'10
 
i guess im gonna keep eatin my carbs... and just hope that the Fina trims me up a little.... Im very disappointed now... because all i want to do is just lose some weight... and i guess it will never happen.... im probably 30% body fat... looks like im gonna be a fat piece of shit for the rest of my life.
 
Bro, dont yo yo. Keep it simple, and spend some time learning diet stuff.

How many carbs do you get now and what are the sources? Remove SOME carbs, dont completely yank them, or go from 600g carbs down to 50 so quickly. Its too much too soon.

If you want to slam down the carbs to the floor, I would suggest 100-200g daily of quality carbs spread through at least your first 4 meals, you wont be on a serious cutting diet unless you are greatly above that number now, but you will definitely trim up and you should be able to retain nearly everything, but again there are so many individual things and I have not seen your diet where it is now so generic recommendations can't really be made with any kind of guarantee as to what it will do to you.

You could pretty generically state, weight is going to come from activity and total calories per day, and your body makeup is going to come from the makeup of your diet. So to lose some weight you cut 500-1000 calories from your daily diet, that is low enough that you can still retain your beef. As to where you pull calories from is where it will also further ensure that you retain the quality body mass.
 
alrite... so i will keep my diet the same except not Eat nearly as much... get the 100-200 grams of Carbs and throw out the weightgainer... that would probably drop about 1000calories... i cant decide if I should start putting milk back in my protein shakes.... and hydroxycut is a good idea rite?? or should i also throw that out 2
 
errr i was gettin about 100-200 carbs a day from just Weight gainer... gettin 24 from the shakes... 60 Grams from the milk in the protein shakes... and then pasta's or what not that i ate through the day... so yeh i was gettin around 400-500g's of carbs a day
 
I dont use hydroxybunk, nor do I use weight gainer but hell yeah that shyt will bloat you up that stuff is loaded with sugar.

I use milk but on a cutting diet I dont, its sugar. For starters though simply removing SOME from your diet will be a big help.
 
what the milk? so 2 with milk 2 without?
 
without the weight gainer.... which was 750 calories through the day and 2 shakes without milk which was 360 and less carbs.... errrr i think im cuttin 2 many calories still.... thats prolly a good 1500 through the day that i have cut since my bulker...
 
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if i keep drinkin the milk in my shakes it would be close to 1,000 less than usual
 
On a clean vs dirty diet, I notice milks effects on my body right away, but keep it simple for now.

Good luck
 
i dont understand what u meen by keeping it simple... all of this shit is far from simple... milk or no milk... i guess i can replace the milk calories with something else
 
heh when im cutting keeping it simple is the best i can do....to make sure i get exactly my macros i pretty much eat the same meals 8 times a day:-/ ....too lazy to look up values of other food..i get a choice of 10 egg whites and 1/2 a cup of dry oats.....1 and a half cup of dry oats 2 scoops of whey and milk.....or chicken and tuna with 3 cups of lettuce........
 
Cutting 500-1000 calories is simple bro, we aren't even touching the surface of diet know how, anyone can count calories. I dont consider myself terribly diet educated at all, I know some basics and thats it, I think diet is pretty complex business when you get to the nitty gritty.

Put your meals on 3x5" cards and you dont have to eat the same things all the time, that way you can look to a certain card and already have the macro breakdown and calorie totals there etc etc, but I basically eat the same stuff. Eating is just a function, its not something I put much thought into once its layed out for me.
 
Originally posted by Just a guy
alrite... i have got rid of my Bulking drugs... and am goin to start over with a cutting cycle... Tell me what u think...

1-12 Test prop ED 100mg's
1-12 Tren 75mg's ED
1-10 Equipoise twice a week 500mg's
1-8 Deca (for joints) 200mg's a week
1-12 Winstrol 50mg ED


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i would take the equipoise out, and have deca at 400mg, primo if i wanted less water, but thats just my opinion.
 
deca is just for joints... i hate deca... deca makes u bloat.. EQ is great for vascularity
 
Deca is better for high calorie diets, I dont get much from it anyway.
 
just a guy....You like saying DRUGS dont you ?
 
Originally posted by Mudge
Deca is better for high calorie diets, I dont get much from it anyway.

Amen
 
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