Cycle Advice

[Bbaked2029]

I already posted an intro, but went ahead and copied and pasted it below, need some advice on a cycle:

1.) 33 years old
2.) 172lbs with 12% BF
3.) Started working out around 16 years old up until I was 28. so 12 years, then had bad car wreck and wasn't able to lift or workout for a long time! I have finished all my rehabs after surgery and am cleared for workouts with no restrictions. Been working out now non-stop for 4 months 3 times a week.
4.) Never used AAS before this.
5.) I train Monday, Wednesday & Friday, basically 8 different workout with reps going 12-10-8. Diet: Morning drink- 10fl oz with 3 scoops of AmpXXX Protein shake, eat two eggs, 4 pieces of bacon and 1 slice of toast. Cashews around 10am, full lunch at noon of either chicken, fish or a meat with rice or noodles, after workout drink Muscle Milk, 3pm small salad with cashew and pistachio's on salad, 6pm full dinner with 2 pieces of meat, carb and veggies, around 8pm eat another couple handfulls of cashews and around 10pm drink another shake.
6.) Cycle goals- To increase my overall bodyweight, strength and bulk muscle growth. I'm currently using: 250mg/ml of Sustanon twice weekly and Tren E every other day. I'm not using any PCT as thought that was after cycle was completed. Am I wrong on the PCT? Seems like some people say to use while on cycle, but others say to wait until cycle is over.


I have Sustanon 250mg/ml and Tren, but have been told Tren is a cutting AAS and not bulking..... Can anyone confirm if Tren is either a cutting or bulking item? I'm looking to put on weight and muscle, not sure if should just stick to the Sust and wait on Tren for next cycle. Also, if I do use the Tren should i use a PCT during or wait til after cycle like would on Sustanon? Thanks for all the help!

Bbaked

 

[kstar5]

NUMBER 1. YOU NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH WAY MORE!!!
2. FIRST TIME User should not use tren save it for later cycle
3. you can cut or bulk on anything you like some aas are better then others for cutting and bulking like i said this is very basic do more research on the compunds youd like every here of google!
4. you need pct everytime you come off a cycle to recover properly unless yiur trt !POST CYCLE MEANS AFTER CYCLE RETARTD !!!!!!!!!
5. WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR AI AND HCG?????? you need to do more research DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT AN AI IS??????
6.1 st cycle should be simple run of test c or e 10-12 weeks 500mgs pin 2x week YOU ONLY GET ONE 1st CYCLE
7. READ THE FUCKING STICKYS

8.MOST IMPORTANT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR AAS YOUR GUNA FUCK YOURSELF UP!

 

[kstar5]

I already posted an intro, but went ahead and copied and pasted it below, need some advice on a cycle:

1.) 33 years old
2.) 172lbs with 12% BF
3.) Started working out around 16 years old up until I was 28. so 12 years, then had bad car wreck and wasn't able to lift or workout for a long time! I have finished all my rehabs after surgery and am cleared for workouts with no restrictions. Been working out now non-stop for 4 months 3 times a week.
4.) Never used AAS before this.
5.) I train Monday, Wednesday & Friday, basically 8 different workout with reps going 12-10-8. Diet: Morning drink- 10fl oz with 3 scoops of AmpXXX Protein shake, eat two eggs, 4 pieces of bacon and 1 slice of toast. Cashews around 10am, full lunch at noon of either chicken, fish or a meat with rice or noodles, after workout drink Muscle Milk, 3pm small salad with cashew and pistachio's on salad, 6pm full dinner with 2 pieces of meat, carb and veggies, around 8pm eat another couple handfulls of cashews and around 10pm drink another shake.
6.) Cycle goals- To increase my overall bodyweight, strength and bulk muscle growth. I'm currently using: 250mg/ml of Sustanon twice weekly and Tren E every other day. I'm not using any PCT as thought that was after cycle was completed. Am I wrong on the PCT? Seems like some people say to use while on cycle, but others say to wait until cycle is over.


I have Sustanon 250mg/ml and Tren, but have been told Tren is a cutting AAS and not bulking..... Can anyone confirm if Tren is either a cutting or bulking item? I'm looking to put on weight and muscle, not sure if should just stick to the Sust and wait on Tren for next cycle. Also, if I do use the Tren should i use a PCT during or wait til after cycle like would on Sustanon? Thanks for all the help!

Bbaked

NUMBER 1. YOU NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH WAY MORE!!!
2. FIRST TIME User should not use tren save it for later cycle
3. you can cut or bulk on anything you like some aas are better then others for cutting and bulking like i said this is very basic do more research on the compunds youd like every here of google!
4. you need pct everytime you come off a cycle to recover properly unless yiur trt !POST CYCLE MEANS AFTER CYCLE RETARTD !!!!!!!!!
5. WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR AI AND HCG?????? you need to do more research DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT AN AI IS??????
6.1 st cycle should be simple run of test c or e 10-12 weeks 500mgs pin 2x week YOU ONLY GET ONE 1st CYCLE
7. READ THE FUCKING STICKYS

8.MOST IMPORTANT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR AAS YOUR GUNA FUCK YOURSELF UP!

 

[sendit08]

I already posted an intro, but went ahead and copied and pasted it below, need some advice on a cycle:

1.) 33 years old
2.) 172lbs with 12% BF
3.) Started working out around 16 years old up until I was 28. so 12 years, then had bad car wreck and wasn't able to lift or workout for a long time! I have finished all my rehabs after surgery and am cleared for workouts with no restrictions. Been working out now non-stop for 4 months 3 times a week.
4.) Never used AAS before this.
5.) I train Monday, Wednesday & Friday, basically 8 different workout with reps going 12-10-8. Diet: Morning drink- 10fl oz with 3 scoops of AmpXXX Protein shake, eat two eggs, 4 pieces of bacon and 1 slice of toast. Cashews around 10am, full lunch at noon of either chicken, fish or a meat with rice or noodles, after workout drink Muscle Milk, 3pm small salad with cashew and pistachio's on salad, 6pm full dinner with 2 pieces of meat, carb and veggies, around 8pm eat another couple handfulls of cashews and around 10pm drink another shake.
6.) Cycle goals- To increase my overall bodyweight, strength and bulk muscle growth. I'm currently using: 250mg/ml of Sustanon twice weekly and Tren E every other day. I'm not using any PCT as thought that was after cycle was completed. Am I wrong on the PCT? Seems like some people say to use while on cycle, but others say to wait until cycle is over.


I have Sustanon 250mg/ml and Tren, but have been told Tren is a cutting AAS and not bulking..... Can anyone confirm if Tren is either a cutting or bulking item? I'm looking to put on weight and muscle, not sure if should just stick to the Sust and wait on Tren for next cycle. Also, if I do use the Tren should i use a PCT during or wait til after cycle like would on Sustanon? Thanks for all the help!

Bbaked

since i am not a douchebag I will talk to you like the 33 year old grown man that you are and treat you with some respect instead of letting a few words on a forum put me into a roid rage. (these losers give AAS a bad name, and they are the reason why everytime it is discovered at a crime seen the term roid rage automatically gets thrown around.)

You should just check out the sticky about first cycle.
If sustanon is all you have and you are dead set on doing a cycle then it might work but you need to do research on that particualr substance and all the esters that are present. This way you can do your best to stay in total control of your blood levels.
make sure that you also check out the training forums and nutrition forums. So much good info there.
Also research things like PCT and Aromatise inhibitors. Browse around some of the forum sponsors.
Use the search tab in the top left of the forum homepage.
Take some time before you start because the more progress you make before you start will only benefit you once you start your cycle.
I hope this was respectful and I am sure you are not a retard. After all, not knowing what PCT is doesnt make you a retard.
Best of luck to you and dont let some of these guys on here get in the way of you asking the questions you want answered.

 

[chocolatemalt]

4. you need pct everytime you come off a cycle to recover properly unless yiur trt !POST CYCLE MEANS AFTER CYCLE RETARTD !!!!!!!!!

I needed some good comedy today... that did the trick.

 

[kstar5]

since i am not a douchebag I will talk to you like the 33 year old grown man that you are and treat you with some respect instead of letting a few words on a forum put me into a roid rage. (these losers give AAS a bad name, and they are the reason why everytime it is discovered at a crime seen the term roid rage automatically gets thrown around.)

You should just check out the sticky about first cycle.
If sustanon is all you have and you are dead set on doing a cycle then it might work but you need to do research on that particualr substance and all the esters that are present. This way you can do your best to stay in total control of your blood levels.
make sure that you also check out the training forums and nutrition forums. So much good info there.
Also research things like PCT and Aromatise inhibitors. Browse around some of the forum sponsors.
Use the search tab in the top left of the forum homepage.
Take some time before you start because the more progress you make before you start will only benefit you once you start your cycle.
I hope this was respectful and I am sure you are not a retard. After all, not knowing what PCT is doesnt make you a retard.
Best of luck to you and dont let some of these guys on here get in the way of you asking the questions you want answered.

so your calling me a douchebag? well fuck you sendit08 ! obviously he is retarded if he doesnt know or unsure of what your putting in to your body!
2nd dont call me a douchebag im 24 and probably alot smarter then you and him put together ! FYI I was Valedictorian of my H.S. went to ivy league college and have several degrees and alot more $$$$$$$ then you!

 

[sendit08]

so your calling me a douchebag? well fuck you sendit08 ! obviously he is retarded if he doesnt know or unsure of what your putting in to your body!
2nd dont call me a douchebag im 24 and probably alot smarter then you and him put together ! FYI I was Valedictorian of my H.S. went to ivy league college and have several degrees and alot more $$$$$$$ then you!

anybody who is driven to cursing instead of using real words to make thier point is a douchebag.
there was no reason for you to attack this man.
That is great that you are smart. However, it is selfish to keep your knowledge to yourself. Especially when you can see this man is in need of information.
Instead of taking out your frustrations on him you should show some patience and help him to the best of your ability.
I think you are smart enough to know that calling someone a fucking retard is not the way to teach.
Also just because you are smart and make a lot of money doesnt mean you cant be a douche.
FYI my highschools valedictorian was a major douche.
I know a couple Ivy league guys from Stanford that come into my gym: Major douchebags.
Neither of those two things can keep me from thinking you are a douchebag.

 

[sendit08]

for the sake of the original poster I hope we dont have any more back and forth.

 

[Vibrant]

so your calling me a douchebag? well fuck you sendit08 ! obviously he is retarded if he doesnt know or unsure of what your putting in to your body!
2nd dont call me a douchebag im 24 and probably alot smarter then you and him put together ! FYI I was Valedictorian of my H.S. went to ivy league college and have several degrees and alot more $$$$$$$ then you!

 

[Bbaked2029]

Uh screw you buddy, I simply asked for some advice, as this is what the forum was advertised as for people looking for advice, not some roid rage asshole ripping into them for asking a questions. So screw you retard, i have researched a lot and searched a lot for a good source. I got my Sustanon 250mg, Clomid for PCT and also some Tren, but was SIMPLY asking if I should use the Tren with Sustanon on first cycle or wait until 2nd cycle. Go find your nuts and be a man. Thanks for the help, good luck finding your dick (can someone say "little man" syndrome???!?!?!?! Dude, how is that so retard??? I did all my research, found my gear, and simply asked if i should wait on using Tren for 2nd cycle, man go blow yourself if you can even find your little dick!!!

 

[Bbaked2029]

Yes I do asshole, do you even know Mr. Smarty Panties? Obviously not or you would have said..... I do have my PCT asshole, I have everything I need and never said i didn't know what I was putting in my body retard! Go fuck yourself if you can even find your dick asshole, thanks a lot for the help!!! To say the least I won't be coming back to this forum. Sorry if I offended anyone, but that was down right wrong and uncalled for. I did my intro, did my research, recieved gear and simply wanted advice if should wait on Tren. I don't need HCG retard, I have Clomid for after cycle and not worrying about nuts leaving me like yours did since not running Tren, just Sust and will use Clomid after. Funny how you ask if I know what something is when you won't even say if you know. By the Way i do have Proviron if in case i did do the Tren, so peace out loser!!!

 

[Z499]

Hit 10 posts then pm me, if I can't help you out ill point you to someone who can.

 

[Bbaked2029]

LOL, HS stud, this is too funny, I can't believe some little kid is trying to tell me I'm a retard. Buddy, Ivy league or not, college is just a test for the real world and how you deal with people and obviously you don't deal with people that well so I find hard to believe you were in top of your class retard!!!

 

[Bbaked2029]

Thank you very much, I appreciate your feedback and honesty. Sorry if I am new at this and asked a stupid question, but no need for someone to go off like that. THANK YOU FOR THE HELP!!!

 

[Bbaked2029]

Will do, thanks!

 

[Z499]

well it looks like they changed the criteria again for sending pm's

 

[Bbaked2029]

well it looks like they changed the criteria again for sending pm's

I wonder why ????

thanks for the help and honestly and sincerely apologize if I offended anyone, just saw his post and didn't think before hitting send as Herm likes to say.

 

[Z499]

I wonder why ????

thanks for the help and honestly and sincerely apologize if I offended anyone, just saw his post and didn't think before hitting send as Herm likes to say.

Didnt offend me any, pm sent let me know if you get it

 

[Bbaked2029]

since i am not a douchebag I will talk to you like the 33 year old grown man that you are and treat you with some respect instead of letting a few words on a forum put me into a roid rage. (these losers give AAS a bad name, and they are the reason why everytime it is discovered at a crime seen the term roid rage automatically gets thrown around.)

You should just check out the sticky about first cycle.
If sustanon is all you have and you are dead set on doing a cycle then it might work but you need to do research on that particualr substance and all the esters that are present. This way you can do your best to stay in total control of your blood levels.
make sure that you also check out the training forums and nutrition forums. So much good info there.
Also research things like PCT and Aromatise inhibitors. Browse around some of the forum sponsors.
Use the search tab in the top left of the forum homepage.
Take some time before you start because the more progress you make before you start will only benefit you once you start your cycle.
I hope this was respectful and I am sure you are not a retard. After all, not knowing what PCT is doesnt make you a retard.
Best of luck to you and dont let some of these guys on here get in the way of you asking the questions you want answered.

Truly appreciate your honest,y and advice, thank you. And just to be honest no I did not know what AI was, but was aware of HCG and wasn't too worried since have 4esters of test running, so honestly thought Clomid would be fine for 3 weeks after cycle...... Thanks again and do appreciate you taking the time to respond honestly and HELPFULLY!!! Take care, Bake

 

[sendit08]

Truly appreciate your honest,y and advice, thank you. And just to be honest no I did not know what AI was, but was aware of HCG and wasn't too worried since have 4esters of test running, so honestly thought Clomid would be fine for 3 weeks after cycle...... Thanks again and do appreciate you taking the time to respond honestly and HELPFULLY!!! Take care, Bake

the AI is not only for PCT, it is for you to use while cycling as well...
most will just keep one on hand during their first cycle because it should be a mild one.
With a multi-estered test like Sust I would recommend starting right off with a low dosage of an aromatise inhibitor because it will be hard for you to keep your test levels stable. Unstable blood levels is what causes the most amount of unwanted side effects when it comes to running gear. Better safe than sorry bro.

 

[Ray26]

You need to get more knowledge on AAS, and the protection you need, and if you aren't taking a AI with a tren/test cycle you need to do a lot more research

 

[Bbaked2029]

Will do, thanks! I'm not running Tren yet, wanted some info before I started, just running Sust 250 by itself right now.... I do have Tren, but haven't started it and will wait for 2nd cycle!

 

[XXL]

ok well looks like this thred took a left turn at Albuquerque....


Bbaked... this is what i recommend. First off, Reasearch bro... people dont read up nearly enough on what theyre injecting into their body, what it does, why its doing it, what the sides are, and what to look out for ect ect... read read read ask questions and read some more... the only stupid questions are the ones you dont ask.
second, i would do a simple test E cycle for 12 weeks. you need ai's, a pct, but you need to know what these are. its very important. By running a test only cycle, you will know how your body is going to react to this foreign hormone. you have virgin receptors and test alone will hit the system hard enough. Tren is way out of your league.
third... Your body is a blueprint... its designed to hold so much muscle, and those muscles are designed to hold so much weight, and the ligaments are designed to hold "X" amout that your muscles can at any given point... your "genetic potential"... we are going to change that with test, so diet is key in helping morph your body. food is the most anabolic substance there is, period! So keep the diet in check. eat shitty foods youll produce shitty results. its that simple.
start researching "test only" cycles and see what u learn. know what to expect. rome wasnt built in a day, shit takes time. no one said it would be easy, they just said it would be worth it. go read. come back and post ur next thought.