Cycle starting Tommorow

[dropteeth]

I wanna start my first 12 week cycle tomm with :

DECA 450 mg wk
CYP. 500 Mg
42 tabs of clomid (50mg)
20 tabs of nolvadex (20 mg)
5000IU HCG


How do I Cycle this?

 

[Mudge]

500iu HCG twice a week for 10 weeks during your cycle. If you are low on bacteriostatic water, 1000iu once a week is fine, it will be much easier to measure with an insulin pin.

3 weeks after your last shot, 20 days of nolvadex @ 20mg ED
100mg Clomid for the first week during this PCT, then run 50 with the rest of your 13 days of nolvadex.

Of course if you need that nolvadex for estrogenic gyno then you will have to re-work this.

 

[dropteeth]

i was told by an experienced user not to use HCG during my cycle. for a couple of reasons.
Can I take the HCG after my last injection? and if so what are the doses?

 

[Mudge]

HCG will keep you suppressed. Why wait to fix atrophy when you can avoid it? What reasons were you given to avoid it during cycle, gyno?

I can point you to competitors and doctors who use it during their cycles, why wait till something is broken to fix it.

 

[dropteeth]

The Reason he told me not to take it during was becasue it would be like counteracting the steroid!

He also said since the test is shuting you down HCG will bring them back..then shuting you down and so on..he said that it will make recover much harder.


is there another method of taking HCG mabe during my cycle last few weeks? to avoid storing it to long in my fridge..?

 

[Mudge]

HCG sends a signal to the leydig cells to produce testosterone, too much in a short time span kills them. How is a higher natural testosterone level + supplemental testosterone a bad thing? You friend is not thinking at all.

A person with a higher natural test level + using gear is going to have a higher amount of total and free test in his blood stream as opposed to someone producing zero test, "duh."

Yes you can use it at the tail end if you wish, 500iu daily or 1000iu EOD.

The longer you stay suppressed the worse off you are, your friend is essentially saying it would be good to be on for 3 years without HCG because it is so "counterproductive"

 

[dropteeth]

thanks Mudge!

you mentioned:
(3 weeks after your last shot, 20 days of nolvadex @ 20mg ED
100mg Clomid for the first week during this PCT, then run 50 with the rest of your 13 days of nolvadex.)

do i do this after my last HCG shot? or test?
and if i finished my last Deca shot one week b4 my test can i start post cylce 2 weeks after?

 

[Mudge]

Doses of HCG

Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

I have a fair amount of info in this thread:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18411

HCG will keep you suppressed during use, so if you are doing it after the drugs and not during then that is your decision. If you run the HCG immediately after your cycle completion, start counting your 3 weeks anyway, HCG is gone from the system pretty quickly as it is water based and has no ester like a steroid.

2 weeks is cool if you drop the deca a week out, it is actually suggested by many to do so because deca sits in the system so much longer and is generally a recouperation hell item.

If you are in the older crowd and notice testicular atrophy during cycle, you would still be advised to use the HCG as atrophy can be permanent and I can point you to someone who has a very small left nut he'd like to tell you about because of no HCG.