Death to tyrants!!

[Rich46yo]

What do all of you think of President Bush's inaugural address? Why is such a noble all to action being met with such a resounding silence in the world? Doesn't anyone see the "big picture"? Don't you see that Islamic countries are mostly run by tyrants http://www.freedomhouse.org/media/pressrel/121801.htm . And that such tyrannies are the breeding grounds for INTL terrorism? Why cant anyone see that the only way to win this war is to overthrow these tyrants? One by one, country by country, tyrant by tyrant!

I'm not even talking about always using military force, which should always be a last resort. Surely if the free world stuck together the use of such force can be avoided in many cases. But the "free world" isnt "sticking together". Instead they are only dealing with the issue thru the narrow scope of their own petty national interests.

In my opinion we are in a 100 year war against terrorism and America and Britain arent powerful enough to win it on our own. Much of it will be fought in the mind of public opinion, and much of the worlds public opinion has been skewed by a leftist, anti-American, world media collective. And, by the media machines in these Islamic tyrannies themselves.

Get used to seeing men with geiger counters walking the streets of American citys. Were going to be spending the rest of our lives battleing Islamic Fundementalist Terror. Until we overthrow the tyrants running the countries that are its womb, we will always have terrorism.................................Rich

 

[Dale Mabry]

I agree with the concept, I don't agree how it is being carried out. Finish one war then move onto the next, with finish being the key word.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

What do all of you think of President Bush's inaugural address? Why is such a noble all to action being met with such a resounding silence in the world? Doesn't anyone see the "big picture"? Don't you see that Islamic countries are mostly run by tyrants http://www.freedomhouse.org/media/pressrel/121801.htm . And that such tyrannies are the breeding grounds for INTL terrorism? Why cant anyone see that the only way to win this war is to overthrow these tyrants? One by one, country by country, tyrant by tyrant!

Answer: They do see it but refuse to join with our redneck idiot president who who cant even pronounce nuclear correctly. HE is a laughing stock of all of our presidents and it has already been stated by even the staunchest republicans that he will go down as the worst decision making president in histoty, maybe the worst president

I'm not even talking about always using military force, which should always be a last resort. Surely if the free world stuck together the use of such force can be avoided in many cases. But the "free world" isnt "sticking together". Instead they are only dealing with the issue thru the narrow scope of their own petty national interests.

Answer: Any Bush/Cheney/Hablibuton and Root have had anyone else in mind when they started this war to stop Iraq from producing WMDs (which officially dont even exist now). GWB jr is doing what daddy wanted to do, so he can proved himself a Great man. Yeah right. When he passes away, I hope every soldier who died gets to judge HIM at the pearly gates and decide whether he can enter to look for WMDs up there. Up there, am I kidding, he will no doubt go to hell.

In my opinion we are in a 100 year war against terrorism and America and Britain arent powerful enough to win it on our own. Much of it will be fought in the mind of public opinion, and much of the worlds public opinion has been skewed by a leftist, anti-American, world media collective. And, by the media machines in these Islamic tyrannies themselves.

Answer: We are in a 100 year war, started by the man who made it personal for the rag-heads. His comment that this was a "crusade" proves his ignorance and was a call to fight for the Muslims, AGAIN.

Get used to seeing men with geiger counters walking the streets of American citys. Were going to be spending the rest of our lives battleing Islamic Fundementalist Terror. Until we overthrow the tyrants running the countries that are its womb, we will always have terrorism.................................Rich

Get off your dumb staunch, brainwashed republican ass and do some independant research behind his decisions, all bullshit. IT amazes me that you repuplicans are SO FUCKING BRAINWASHED. Nothing the GOP does is wrong, and nothing the Dems do is right. I wish you could all here yourselves. Like fucking 10 year olds.

 

[ALBOB]

Nothing the GOP does is wrong, and nothing the Dems do is right.

NOW you're starting to catch on. Keep working on it, you'll come around.

 

[Rich46yo]

Im going to have to put MNT Pussy on ignore. If he cant state his opinion without being an asshole about it then I don't even want to see it. Hey aren't you the guy who was whining and crying about going to Iraq? what happened? It wasn't that long ago you pulled your sissy act, so you couldn't have gone....right?

What a strange concept eh? Joining the military and then being expected to fight in a war!

Gee as long as I have you here why don't you give me a synopsis of your "independent research"? really, I want to hear it kid Or let me guess, your going to "take my life"? Yeah I remember your douchebag threats Geeeeeeeeeee, Im Sooooooooooo scared

"""""""Get off your dumb staunch, brainwashed republican ass and do some independant research behind his decisions, all bullshit. IT amazes me that you repuplicans are SO FUCKING BRAINWASHED. Nothing the GOP does is wrong, and nothing the Dems do is right. I wish you could all here yourselves. Like fucking 10 year olds.""""""""""

I'll give you one more chance boy. If you have something to add then do so. don't imply you have any answers, or the rest of us are idiotic 10yo's, without taking a position yourself. BTW there is a spell checker in this forumn.

And "h-e-r-e" means "at,in, or to this place","at this time". "H-e-a-r" means "to percieve by the ear" , "to listen attentively". I guess you missed that class eh? You must have skipped it in order to further your study in International Geo-Military-politics at Harvard.... .Hell I knew how to use those words when I was 10 yo .........................MNT your a real kick in the ass.... ...................................Rich

 

[bulletproof1]

damn why is it we all cant just get along?

take care.....

 

[Dale Mabry]

damn why is it we all cant just get along?

take care.....

What fun would that be you stupid ghey?

 

[Rich46yo]

What I'd like to know is exactly what is going on in this guys head that would make him respond like such a fool to such a serious question I was asking,and, would force me to fire my highpowered sarcasm at him? Is it that impossable to have a serious respectfull conversation here?

Originally Posted by Rich46yo
What do all of you think of President Bush's inaugural address? Why is such a noble all to action being met with such a resounding silence in the world? Doesn't anyone see the "big picture"? Don't you see that Islamic countries are mostly run by tyrants http://www.freedomhouse.org/media/pressrel/121801.htm . And that such tyrannies are the breeding grounds for INTL terrorism? Why cant anyone see that the only way to win this war is to overthrow these tyrants? One by one, country by country, tyrant by tyrant!

Answer: They do see it but refuse to join with our redneck idiot president who who cant even pronounce nuclear correctly. HE is a laughing stock of all of our presidents and it has already been stated by even the staunchest republicans that he will go down as the worst decision making president in histoty, maybe the worst president

I'm not even talking about always using military force, which should always be a last resort. Surely if the free world stuck together the use of such force can be avoided in many cases. But the "free world" isnt "sticking together". Instead they are only dealing with the issue thru the narrow scope of their own petty national interests.

Answer: Any Bush/Cheney/Hablibuton and Root have had anyone else in mind when they started this war to stop Iraq from producing WMDs (which officially dont even exist now). GWB jr is doing what daddy wanted to do, so he can proved himself a Great man. Yeah right. When he passes away, I hope every soldier who died gets to judge HIM at the pearly gates and decide whether he can enter to look for WMDs up there. Up there, am I kidding, he will no doubt go to hell.

In my opinion we are in a 100 year war against terrorism and America and Britain arent powerful enough to win it on our own. Much of it will be fought in the mind of public opinion, and much of the worlds public opinion has been skewed by a leftist, anti-American, world media collective. And, by the media machines in these Islamic tyrannies themselves.

Answer: We are in a 100 year war, started by the man who made it personal for the rag-heads. His comment that this was a "crusade" proves his ignorance and was a call to fight for the Muslims, AGAIN.

Get used to seeing men with geiger counters walking the streets of American citys. Were going to be spending the rest of our lives battleing Islamic Fundementalist Terror. Until we overthrow the tyrants running the countries that are its womb, we will always have terrorism.................................Rich


""""""""""""""""""""Get off your dumb staunch, brainwashed republican ass and do some independant research behind his decisions, all bullshit. IT amazes me that you repuplicans are SO FUCKING BRAINWASHED. Nothing the GOP does is wrong, and nothing the Dems do is right. I wish you could all here yourselves. Like fucking 10 year olds."""""""""""""""""""""""""

 

[Flex]

What I'd like to know is exactly what is going on in this guys head that would make him respond like such a fool to such a serious question I was asking,and, would force me to fire my highpowered sarcasm at him? Is it that impossable to have a serious respectfull conversation here?

2 reasons, I'm guessing.

The first is that you've probably gotten into an arguement with him before with your sarcasm (seems to happen alot)

and secondly is that when you take a heated subject (ie Bush, Iraq), where there's no true "right" or "wrong" answer, and try to convince people of things that disagree with their opinions (ie MTN Warrior's), when peoples' opinions seem to be written in stone, alls your gonna get is heated, sarcastic slamming.

Personally, i agree with most of what MTN said (aside from his sarcastic rips on you).
But due to the fact that a) i've already said my opinion 100x's before b) it won't change what you, or any "non openminded" Republican, will think, and c) there's no "right" answer, i'm not gonna waste my time talking about this anymore.

Peace,

FLEX

p.s. I (still) hate Bush

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

Im going to have to put MNT Pussy on ignore. If he cant state his opinion without being an asshole about it then I don't even want to see it. Hey aren't you the guy who was whining and crying about going to Iraq? what happened? It wasn't that long ago you pulled your sissy act, so you couldn't have gone....right?

What a strange concept eh? Joining the military and then being expected to fight in a war!

Gee as long as I have you here why don't you give me a synopsis of your "independent research"? really, I want to hear it kid Or let me guess, your going to "take my life"? Yeah I remember your douchebag threats Geeeeeeeeeee, Im Sooooooooooo scared

"""""""Get off your dumb staunch, brainwashed republican ass and do some independant research behind his decisions, all bullshit. IT amazes me that you repuplicans are SO FUCKING BRAINWASHED. Nothing the GOP does is wrong, and nothing the Dems do is right. I wish you could all here yourselves. Like fucking 10 year olds.""""""""""

I'll give you one more chance boy. If you have something to add then do so. don't imply you have any answers, or the rest of us are idiotic 10yo's, without taking a position yourself. BTW there is a spell checker in this forumn.

And "h-e-r-e" means "at,in, or to this place","at this time". "H-e-a-r" means "to percieve by the ear" , "to listen attentively". I guess you missed that class eh? You must have skipped it in order to further your study in International Geo-Military-politics at Harvard.... .Hell I knew how to use those words when I was 10 yo .........................MNT your a real kick in the ass.... ...................................Rich

Ooh, one word misused, yup, that is the republican call to arms. I NEVER complained about going to Iraq. I will go right now if asked or if not asked. Thats more than you can say wanna be cop. You provided no facts, why should I. You obviously just wanted to stir the shitpot. All you stated was opinion and rhetoric. I noticed you skipped over the WMD. So what is your response. Your president stated they were over there. He lied. Any facts to prove that wrong. And I am damn sure that I have more knowledge of National Security, International Politics and US Foreign policy than you ever thought of. Read something besides the Republican Mag for Boys. Again, your way of arguing is saying, "your dumb, prove something", when you do nothing but spout rhetoric. And Im and going to put Rich 4 yearold on ignore too, because all he does is what Russ Windbaugh does, stir up the nation negatively, uninformedly so.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

2 reasons, I'm guessing.

The first is that you've probably gotten into an arguement with him before with your sarcasm (seems to happen alot)

and secondly is that when you take a heated subject (ie Bush, Iraq), where there's no true "right" or "wrong" answer, and try to convince people of things that disagree with their opinions (ie MTN Warrior's), when peoples' opinions seem to be written in stone, alls your gonna get is heated, sarcastic slamming.

Personally, i agree with most of what MTN said (aside from his sarcastic rips on you).
But due to the fact that a) i've already said my opinion 100x's before b) it won't change what you, or any "non openminded" Republican, will think, and c) there's no "right" answer, i'm not gonna waste my time talking about this anymore.

Peace,

FLEX

p.s. I (still) hate Bush

Thanks Flex. Yes, he stirs hate in me because he is an asshole, fact. All he is does is pointlessly stir angry policital discussions with his repuplican slant. Useless bag of wind sucking up valuable oxygen that GOOD Americans could use.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

2 reasons, I'm guessing.

The first is that you've probably gotten into an arguement with him before with your sarcasm (seems to happen alot)

and secondly is that when you take a heated subject (ie Bush, Iraq), where there's no true "right" or "wrong" answer, and try to convince people of things that disagree with their opinions (ie MTN Warrior's), when peoples' opinions seem to be written in stone, alls your gonna get is heated, sarcastic slamming.

Personally, i agree with most of what MTN said (aside from his sarcastic rips on you).
But due to the fact that a) i've already said my opinion 100x's before b) it won't change what you, or any "non openminded" Republican, will think, and c) there's no "right" answer, i'm not gonna waste my time talking about this anymore.

Peace,

FLEX

p.s. I (still) hate Bush

Thanks Flex. Yes, he stirs hate in me because he is an asshole, fact. All he is does is pointlessly stir angry policital discussions with his repuplican slant. Useless bag of wind sucking up valuable oxygen that GOOD Americans could use. PS I never threatened him.

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

2 reasons, I'm guessing.

The first is that you've probably gotten into an arguement with him before with your sarcasm (seems to happen alot)

and secondly is that when you take a heated subject (ie Bush, Iraq), where there's no true "right" or "wrong" answer, and try to convince people of things that disagree with their opinions (ie MTN Warrior's), when peoples' opinions seem to be written in stone, alls your gonna get is heated, sarcastic slamming.

Personally, i agree with most of what MTN said (aside from his sarcastic rips on you).
But due to the fact that a) i've already said my opinion 100x's before b) it won't change what you, or any "non openminded" Republican, will think, and c) there's no "right" answer, i'm not gonna waste my time talking about this anymore.

Peace,

FLEX

p.s. I (still) hate Bush

Thanks Flex. Yes, he stirs hate in me because he is an asshole, fact. All he is does is pointlessly stir angry policital discussions with his repuplican slant. Useless bag of wind sucking up valuable oxygen that GOOD Americans could use. PS I never threatened him. But that is the Republican way, to make shit up to divert from thetruth.

 

[Rich46yo]

Thanks Flex. Yes, he stirs hate in me because he is an asshole, fact. All he is does is pointlessly stir angry policital discussions with his repuplican slant. Useless bag of wind sucking up valuable oxygen that GOOD Americans could use. PS I never threatened him.

Hey asshole your the one stiring shit up. If you dont like what i post then dont read it, or put me on ignore. This was a serious thread where-as I wanted serious opinions, not some spinless ignorant redneck bargeing in hurling insults. As for his whining about "going to Iraq", again something he never did, I bring you to last Jul. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=33751&page=1&pp=30

See if you can get thru one of this fools post.........................."""""""""""Well, let me give you a soldiers point of view on this movie, this sentiment and this mentality. I do not believe that is right to propogate anyone who will attempt to destroyothers through self-servitude and destroy the patriotage of our people by destroying the two parties made to legislate it. This being said, there is no difference between Michael Moore and that fat bastard Rush Limbaugh and his Conservatory for un-informed studies. He is doing the same thing a MM but because he is republican, he is allowed to continue. His drug doing, infidelic fat ass should be banned from radio as contratdictory to the good order of the nation. He should be killed. That being being done, let me say this. There are no WMD in Iraq, there are none in Afghan. Why did we go there again? To rid the world of WMDs. So, now the Bush blames the CIA. YEah right, its all their fault. Ever notice how REpublican presidents let one of their directors take the fall (Iran-contra). Coward bastards. So, now, almost 900 of my brothers and sisters have been killed senselessly and I will soon be going no doubt and may fall amongst them. Remember that, you will or you probably already do, know someone who was killed because the president wanted to finish something his daddy couldnt do. How does that feel? Well, let me tell you, it makes me sick every f***ing day. I am heartbroken every day that my brothers in arms are being slaughtered without appropriate reason. Yes Bin laden and Hussein are bad people. But so were Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Lenin, and Khomeni and the leader of N. Korea and China and Saudi. Are we going there? Iran and N.Korea and China admit to having WMDs, are they next. No, because they are financial partners. I am not a Democrat, I am obviously not a Repub either though. I am capable of independant thought. Do you want your brothers, sisters, moms and dads to continue to be sent to war because you voted for Bush AGAIN. Please don't, I implore you. My wife and 20 year old daughter implore you, don't send my brothers and sisters in harms way so much. We raised our right hand to defend the constitution of the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Those guys are enemies, but lets do it the right way, with a coalition based, world based police force. Not a cowboys and indians, grammer school mentality. Please. Make our borders strong, our economy capable and work with the rest of the world to rid the earth of tyranny. IT took 70 years to get rid of Communism, we can get rid of terrorism as well, But there are other ways."""""""""""""""

Gee what a great thinker. Ivy Leauge without a doubt.

Heres another, see if you can get thru it and see his threat He types as if he needs to put his dentures in first.

""""""""""""In response to Rich46yo. Suck a fat babys dick asshole. That will probably get me kicked out of here, but so be it. I am a real soldier, something of which you know nothing about you fucking right wing asshole. You have no idea what it is like to be a soldier (or Marine), so don't tend to think you can make a judgement on what I or we should be like. We don't have to agree, we aren't Republican robots, we are soldiers and Marines. Oorah by the way Devil Dog. Thanks for the partial backup. IF I am an embarrassment because of my views, then you are a brainwashed idiot. Oh, no he's stupid because he doesnt believe the RIGHT way. That got Hitler along ways didn't it. To Sean, Sempre Fi, my brother, I've got your back any time, any where. I will fight any day for this country, whether I don't believe in our president or not. I will also vote against Bush. Flag burner?? You disloyal fuck, I will rip your fucking heart out. Every day, I salute the flag, say the pledge of allegience and vow to defend her against all enemies, foreign and domestic. What the fuck do you do? Fucking fake loyalist. Enemy propagandist??? I am the most loyal motherfucker in this world. Do you cry when the National Anthem is played? Do you even know what the fuckign words mean? I doubt it, just stand up, probably with your hat still on eating popcorn and drinking beer and talk through it like it's just another song. Like Sean said, its confusing what we are fighting for sometimes, but I do it anyway, without flinching, without remorce and without a second thought, but fight I do, fight I must. Again, what the fuck do you do? Nothing but spread dissent. Useless prick. Slept during my history courses?? Buddy, I'm living future history every day. What are you doing again? Oh yea, working out. I know about being sent in harms way, I understood it then and certainly now. What about you? And I don't mean going to GNC when the sale isn't on. But you know what?? I will still defend your right to say your crap, because that is what I do. I am a Warrior, I will defend our country, I will never leave a fallen comrade and I will drive on the Ranger Objective. Enjoy your couch. I'm paying for it. In fact 900 of my brothers just paid for your house. Hope the AC is working ok. I am not jamming anyone else but this idiot, so please don't take offense. We soldiers (and yes our Marine brothers) don't want or need recognition or any special treatment. I will not be called an enemy however. As I will probably be banned for foul language from now on out, I apologize in advance (oops too late) and pray all of you remain safe. God Bless America and God Bless our Armed Forces.""""""""""""""

Now let me ask you "independent thinkers" here. Does this babbleing twat sound like hes whining about a possible overseas deployment or doesnt he? """"""""""""""" I am not a Democrat, I am obviously not a Repub either though. I am capable of independant thought. Do you want your brothers, sisters, moms and dads to continue to be sent to war because you voted for Bush AGAIN. Please don't, I implore you. My wife and 20 year old daughter implore you, don't send my brothers and sisters in harms way so much. We raised our right hand to defend the constitution of the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Those guys are enemies, but lets do it the right way, with a coalition based, world based police force. Not a cowboys and indians, grammer school mentality. Please. Make our borders strong, our economy capable and work with the rest of the world to rid the earth of tyranny. IT took 70 years to get rid of Communism, we can get rid of terrorism as well, But there are other ways."""""""""""""""

Im afraid Ive run out of patience with this fool. Im going to have to put him on ignore. If anyone else has any thoughts on this issue I'd like to hear them. My intent really was to have a sober,thoughtful discussion of the matter.

Flex dont answer for anyone else, most of all this hillbilly. Ive never been the first to start personal attacks, my sarcasm has always been in response. And frankly im tired of that as well. I'd just as soon put a guy like this on ignore. Im starting to wonder if theres anyplace for serious discussion in these boards. Nobody was bothering MNT warrior, he chose to barge in this thread, for no reason, and start acting like a cunt!

Its for that reason I now have him on ignore.

And have officially re-named him....."MTN Cunt"!......................................... ...................Rich

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

Again, more BS by Richboy.
Fact: I still dont see where I said I didnt want to go to Iraq. Another lie by touchhole. He just reposts shit without fact.

 

[DOMS]

I love this:

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th
graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids
about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding
Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons
technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal
funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected
by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more
affected by yuppies driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion
on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and
governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but
loony activists from Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians,
start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports
certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good,
because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are
too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinmen
are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson,
General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but
racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't
worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people
haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in
jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected
and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by
the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

 

[maniclion]

Rich, I don't like Bush.

I don't think getting rid of each tyrant is going to work, theyr'e like hydras. You get rid of one more pop up in it's place.

Terrorism isn't a Muslim thing, it's a tactic used by militants since the first caveman picked up a rock and threatened to smash his enemies head if it didn't get away from his spicy barbecue mastadon rib. Timothy McVeigh, the snipers, gang youths in the inner cities, mafia, crooked cops, certain politicians, certain corporations. I guess keeping the muslim extremists occupied fighting on the battlefields keeps them from bombing our cities, but how long will that hold until the morale of the nation dips into the negatives and we start fighting amongst ourselves? Note the above discussion between yourself and the many others you put on ignore. Well you can't ignore the fact that soldiers are coming back from this war in the same sad shape the Vietnam vets had to endure. Severely depressed, some are living on the streets, turning to drug use and criminal lifestyles because they're treated like used ammo, empty shells discarded by the military cause they could care less about you once you've reached expiration. Yes let's "stay the course" and chew up the youth of another generation.

 

[DOMS]

I don't think getting rid of each tyrant is going to work, theyr'e like hydras. You get rid of one more pop up in it's place.

This is very true. But it make sense to kill the ones that pose an immediate threat. Either actively attacking us or aid those that do.

Terrorism isn't a Muslim thing,

No, but as a group, they do it more and to a greater extent than anyone else.

Well you can't ignore the fact that soldiers are coming back from this war in the same sad shape the Vietnam vets had to endure.

You really need to go do some research.

because they're treated like used ammo, empty shells discarded by the military cause they could care less about you once you've reached expiration.

Bull. It's not the military that treats them like crap, it's liberal civilians back home who do. Including the liberal media that will whip up a frenzy no matter what it does to soldiers abroad or at home.

 

[Rich46yo]

Can anyone interpret this for me?

Rich, I don't like Bush.

I don't think getting rid of each tyrant is going to work, theyr'e like hydras. You get rid of one more pop up in it's place.

Terrorism isn't a Muslim thing, it's a tactic used by militants since the first caveman picked up a rock and threatened to smash his enemies head if it didn't get away from his spicy barbecue mastadon rib. Timothy McVeigh, the snipers, gang youths in the inner cities, mafia, crooked cops, certain politicians, certain corporations. I guess keeping the muslim extremists occupied fighting on the battlefields keeps them from bombing our cities, but how long will that hold until the morale of the nation dips into the negatives and we start fighting amongst ourselves? Note the above discussion between yourself and the many others you put on ignore. Well you can't ignore the fact that soldiers are coming back from this war in the same sad shape the Vietnam vets had to endure. Severely depressed, some are living on the streets, turning to drug use and criminal lifestyles because they're treated like used ammo, empty shells discarded by the military cause they could care less about you once you've reached expiration. Yes let's "stay the course" and chew up the youth of another generation.

In his defense he is at least polite and I thank him for that. But manlicon, what are you talking about? What does inner city youths have to do with Islamic terrorism?

The casualties from this war are unfortunate but those men and woman chose their lives in uniform. Ive been hurt severely in my job, had numerous spine operations.Ive been hurt many times, been scared even more. I got trapped in a fire trying to save a kid once and almost didn't get out, "got smoke inhalation". I aint bitter about anything. I chose the life I live, and with it the dangers.

If anyone bases their opinions on this war, or their actions, by whether or not they like Bush then they are committing a supreme act of of inflated ego and selfishness. There are bigger things at stake then your political beliefs. My views towards terrorism and this war has nothing to do with politics. Indeed, I feel the selfish politicization of this conflict by Americans has weakened us, as has this bizarre need to try and rationalize the irrational acts of terrorists. As well as trying to draw meaningless analogys. Again trying to "rationalize their acts."

I'm reminded of this king of Saudi Arabia babbling about Osama and Tim Mcveigh and ,"how we both have terrorists among us". What this Tyrant doesnt mention is in order for the analogy to have any meaning Mcveigh would have had to had systematic support from much of Americas Govt. for years and years, as well as a non-stop river of financial support from the American people,for decades,. Also volunteer fighters by the thousands,"again with Govt. knowledge and aid". Then add to the mix that the US Govt. would have had to at least tolerate McVeigh even when he was making war against Americas Allies.

Now thats an analogy that at least has roots in fact!....................................Rich

 

[Flex]

Flex dont answer for anyone else, most of all this hillbilly.

Well, you asked for it.

What I'd like to know is exactly what is going on in this guys head that would make him respond like such a fool to such a serious question I was asking,and, would force me to fire my highpowered sarcasm at him? Is it that impossable to have a serious respectfull conversation here?

so i attempted to answer why he would respond the way he did.

And while we're on the subject, the old post you brought up of his actually was pretty good IMO.

My whole idea of the war is this: GW started the ENTIRE war b/c he said there were WMD. Now there isn't, and never was. So, why the fuck are we there?

 

[bandaidwoman]

Rich, I would say our war against extreme muslim tyranny and Al Queda is actually going quite well with the exception of our pyrimiding mistakes in Iraq.

Not a single Islamic government shifted its position in support of al Qaeda since 9-11. To the contrary, a series of Muslim governments -- the most important of which is Saudi Arabia -- have shifted their positions toward active and effective opposition to al Qaeda. (I think the current attacks by al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia are a reflection of the shift in Saudi policy that has occurred since just before the invasion of Iraq.)

Saudi Arabia is far from the only country to have shifted its strategy. Iran -- for all of its bombast -- has changed its behavior since January 2002. Syria, while still not fully in control, has certainly become more circumspect in its behavior. Prior to the Iraq war, these governments ranged from hostile to uncooperative; they since have shifted to a spectrum ranging from minimally cooperative to fully cooperative. However, the quagmire is Iraq, which is a single campaign in a much broader war is what is swaying much of popular opinion. Unfortunately, the Bush administration is incapable of pointing to its real successes. This is an excruciatingly great failure on the part of the administration, especially in a time of war.

In the long run, changes in the behavior of these governments -- and of other Muslim governments, from Islamabad to Tripoli -- represent the only way to defeat al Qaeda as Rich alludes to. These shifts of government policy that contain radical Islamist tendencies that should be the focal point of Bush's war and the invasion of Iraq served that purpose.
This is where a liberal such as myself parts with Bush.....His grand strategy is in line with our ultimate goal of containing terrorism but his big problem is with the Iraq strategy itself. A string of intelligence failures, errors in judgment and command failures have conspired to undermine the U.S. position in Iraq and reverse the strategic benefits.
Underestimating the enemy and overestimating U.S. power... that is how Bush's critic sees his administration. The enemy was intelligent, dedicated and brave. The United States is enormously powerful but not omnipotent. The casual dismissal of the Iraqi guerrillas (by Rumsfield) has led directly to the failure to anticipate and counter enemy action.

The administration's insistence over the past year that no fundamental errors were committed in Iraq has been a cancer eating through all layers of the command structure -- from the squad to the office of the president. I really think this is the crux of Bush's lack of support by other countries in this war.

Remember the objective; respect the enemy; be your own worst critic; exercise leadership at all levels -- these are fundamental principles of warfare. They have all been violated during the Iraq campaign!

If Bush rapidly adjusts his Iraq operations to take realities in that country into account, rather than engaging on ongoing wishful thinking, the situation in Iraq can be saved and with it the gains made in the war on al Qaeda. On the other hand, if the United States continues its unbalanced and ineffective prosecution of the war against the guerrillas and continues to allow its relations with the Shia to deteriorate, the United States will find itself in an untenable position.

It is not clear that the Bush administration understands the crisis it is facing....

 

[Flex]

So, why the fuck are we there?

IMO we're there b/c 9/11 happened on GW's watch, he needed someone to blame, he couldn't catch the real perpetrators, so he went after someone he knew the American people would back him on (Saddam), he needed a reason, so they invented WMD.

From all the shit i've read, heard and since the war started, that's what i've concluded. Am i right? Maybe. Am i wrong? Maybe. But thats my opinion.

 

[Flex]

as i was writing this, i'm listening to the news on tv that today is the worst day for US deaths since the war started. fuckin great news.

 

[bandaidwoman]

IMO we're there b/c 9/11 happened on GW's watch, he needed someone to blame, he couldn't catch the real perpetrators, so he went after someone he knew the American people would back him on (Saddam), he needed a reason, so they invented WMD.

From all the shit i've read, heard and since the war started, that's what i've concluded. Am i right? Maybe. Am i wrong? Maybe. But thats my opinion.

Your right. My opinion is that since the United States could not hunt down al Qaeda, cell by cell and individual by individual, it devised an alternative strategy... invade Iraq. The US sought to change the behavior of enabling countries, particularly Saudi Arabia, by making the potential threat from the United States greater than the potential threat from al Qaeda. I think Bush's cronies felt that by occupying Iraq and surrounding Saudi Arabia with military forces, the United States compelled a reluctant and truculent Riyadh to comply with American wishes. And thus begins the shift of politcal power in the middle east as Bush trys to establish a strong foothold and presence in that area.

 

[Rich46yo]

IMO we're there b/c 9/11 happened on GW's watch, he needed someone to blame, he couldn't catch the real perpetrators, so he went after someone he knew the American people would back him on (Saddam), he needed a reason, so they invented WMD.

From all the shit i've read, heard and since the war started, that's what i've concluded. Am i right? Maybe. Am i wrong? Maybe. But thats my opinion.

Flex most of the perps died on those airplanes. The ones who didnt lost their suburban homes in Afghanistan at the very least. They now are taking up residence in dank caves, those that havnt been murdered in their beds or arrested.

You do remember we invaded Afghanistan first dont you? WMDs in these islamic tyrannies need no invention. They are fact, and will be wether you like Bush or not. Here, educate yourself. Unless you think the free worlds scientists love Bush and are lieing to support them. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/index.html You do remember Saddam dropped Sarin on woman and kids, as well as the Iranians during the war he started that almost ignited a regional catastrophe. Your remember his research reactor at Osirak that the jews bombed? The one , that if they hadnt, would have given Saddam nukes by Gulf-1 ? Is any of this ringing a bell????

Bandaid nice to have a woman contribute. You'd never see that in one of these Islamic dictatorships now would you? You wouldnt see them working,driving,expressing opinions, or wrapped in anything but a bedsheet either.

But your a smart woman. You understand what were really fighting here.................dont you.................Rich

 

[maniclion]

Can anyone interpret this for me?

IMO reminded of this king of Saudi Arabia.......
Now thats an analogy that at least has roots in fact!....................................Rich

The Saudi king who happens to be good friends with the Bush royalty?

 

[Deezus]

War is about profit, not exactly monetary units either. It might not always sound right to me what america does, but sometimes you can't help be thankful we as Americans are on the winning team. Expansion is inevitable, and the world will never "get along" period. It human nature. And religion is always why empires rise and fall, history shows us this.

 

[DOMS]

IMO we're there b/c 9/11 happened on GW's watch, he needed someone to blame, he couldn't catch the real perpetrators, so he went after someone he knew the American people would back him on (Saddam), he needed a reason, so they invented WMD.

From all the shit i've read, heard and since the war started, that's what i've concluded. Am i right? Maybe. Am i wrong? Maybe. But thats my opinion.

Wrong.

The problems of plot for 9/11 was hatched and built on Clinton's watch. 9/11 has barely happened when George started plans to remove Saddam, not much time to expect to catch a muslim in a the Middle East. Bush removed one the of the world's largest supporter of terrorism.

 

[maniclion]

Wrong.

The problems of plot for 9/11 was hatched and built on Clinton's watch. 9/11 has barely happened when George started plans to remove Saddam, not much time to expect to catch a muslim in a the Middle East. Bush removed one the of the world's largest supporter of terrorism.

His plans to get reelected involved starting war with Saddam, but he didn't plan on acting on that until after his month long hiatus cause he couldn't find a valid excuse, then 9/11 gave him a lame excuse and he jumped on it.

 

[DOMS]

Technically, the US was already at war with Iraq. We didn't need much of an "excuse".

Saddam was in violation of the U.N. Though. Yeah, I know, that doesn't mean much.

Here's how it would have played out:

First they will warn the offending country about the UN's desire to look into the possibility of writing a letter. Next, they will send a notice of intent to send a letter. Finally, if, and only if, diplomacy completely and catestrophically breaks down, will the letter be sent. In extreme cases it will be followed up by a "Hrumpf" from Kofi Anan.

At the end of the day French politicians and UN beuraucrats will get some sweet sweet graft out of the deal, and really, isn't that what diplomacy is all about?