Demise of GOP just took turn for the worse

[NordicNacho]

The slow demise of the national Republican Party just took a turn for the worse. Hard to believe that the GOP???s prospects could actually become more bleak after two years of unrelenting bad news, but it has.

Republican senators are now turning their rhetorical guns away from Democrats and toward one another. A few conservative Republican senators, whose votes usually cheer me up during bleak political times, are actually accusing Virginia???s senior senator, John Warner, of providing comfort to terrorists.

The White House even got involved in the name calling when Tony Snow suggested Warner???s actions could embolden the likes of Osama Bin Laden.

The message from the Bush administration seems to be this: ???Thanks for carrying our water on this miserable war for four years. Now we???re going accuse you of helping terrorists.???

How pathetic.

Didn???t Dick Cheney just cite Ronald Reagan???s 11th Commandment about Republicans not attacking one another?

My how things have changed in a few days.

It???s one more reason I have grown increasingly distraught over the GOP???s direction in recent months. The president is prepared to take his administration and his party over the cliff to prove that he right about Iraq???even if most of his generals and the majority of Americans disagree.

The question now is how long will Republicans stand by this war that has cost over 3,000 lives? Is it worth the $1 trillion dollars that will be added to our national debt? Is it worth undercutting our ability to strike at Iran and North Korea? I would say ???yes??? to all three questions if there were the slightest chance victory was around the corner. But it is not. If you don???t believe me, ask any general to tell you about the Bush surge. They will roll their eyes.

Even if you agree with me that this war was worth fighting as long as we believed Saddam Hussein had WMD???s aimed at America, at some point you have to face the facts: the Bush administration was wrong about those weapons, wrong about the nuclear program, wrong about their refusal to quell rioting early, wrong about Bremer???s gutting of the Iraqi army and police force, wrong about refusing to kill or capture al Sadr in 2003, wrong to tell the generals not speak of the coming insurgency, wrong to stubbornly refuse to give generals the troops they needed to win this war, wrong to make the ???Mission Accomplished??? declaration, wrong for the VP to claim that the insurgency was in its death throes and wrong to push a surge plan that the president???s top generals opposed.

The list could continue for pages but I will be generous to the White House and leave it at that.

At some point, GOP senators and congressmen need to understand that this war is no longer a battle between Republican war heroes and Democratic 60s hippie freaks. The lines have now been blurred by Bush???s bungling war strategy. Now we find ourselves in a fight between war heroes and war heroes. Former secretaries of Navy and former Vietnam POWs. Conservative Republicans and protectors of the president.

That may not be so bad for George W. Bush in the short run, but it is a disaster for Republicans in 2008 and beyond.

Conservatives had better wake up before all the gains made by Ronald Reagan and the 1994 Revolution are lost. The clock is ticking.

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[ZECH]

The question now is how long will Republicans stand by this war that has cost over 3,000 lives? Is it worth the $1 trillion dollars that will be added to our national debt? Is it worth undercutting our ability to strike at Iran and North Korea? I would say ???yes??? to all three questions if there were the slightest chance victory was around the corner.
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# 1 is not a yes/no question.
#2 is a yes
#3 It doesn't affect that ability at all.
His top general in fact now says that it will take half of the troops he is commited sending to get the job done. Democrats have always mostly been against war. If that attitude doesn't change, we will soon be taken over by islamist terroists.

 

[andyo]

# 1 is not a yes/no question.
#2 is a yes
#3 It doesn't affect that ability at all.
His top general in fact now says that it will take half of the troops he is commited sending to get the job done. Democrats have always mostly been against war. If that attitude doesn't change, we will soon be taken over by islamist terroists.

At this point man, I don't really know what to believe. I have alot of friends who've been to and come back from Iraq two or three times now, and they tell me how bad it is over there.

The simple truth, told by them, the soldiers is this: How are we supposed to fight and win a war with our rules in place, while the extremists over there don't have any nor play by any rules of war?

The answer, unfortunately is: you cannot.

And for the record Bush seems to have his head up his ass about the war anyway.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Who wins in 2008 is not relied upon by anything the GOP does, it will be decided by how bad the dems fuck up between now and then. Believe me, it can get pretty bad.

 

[ABCs]

Who wins in 2008 is not relied upon by anything the GOP does, it will be decided by how bad the dems fuck up between now and then. Believe me, it can get pretty bad.

Listening to Hillary's recent speaches, that cackling hooker isn't going very far nor is she driving the democratic party any further. If the reps clean up their act by '08, people will vote for the simple fact of voting AGAINST what their option on the Democratic ticket. Ya dig me?

 

[NordicNacho]

No one could be as bad as Bush! We have no where else to go but up

 

[DOMS]

No one could be as bad as Bush! We have no where else to go but up

Your faith in politicians is disturbing.

 

[ABCs]

No one could be as bad as Bush! We have no where else to go but up

A woman with a panel of socialist advisors and a man (Barrack Hussein Obama) with openly socialist views.... yeah, that's alot worst than Bush. Read up alittlle on what those two truly believe in then comment.

 

[NordicNacho]

A woman with a panel of socialist advisors and a man (Barrack Hussein Obama) with openly socialist views.... yeah, that's alot worst than Bush. Read up alittlle on what those two truly believe in then comment.

The only person worse then GW would be Cheney. In case you havn't noticed we live in a socialist country. Where have you been. Iraq?

 

[clemson357]

 

[BigDyl]

Hillary is your god.

 

[ABCs]

The only person worse then GW would be Cheney. In case you havn't noticed we live in a socialist country. Where have you been. Iraq?

No, we don't... it's far from it buddy. And if you believe that then you don't deserve to be here nor do you have any respect for the men that have given their lives to protect the system that we have so greatly installed into this fine country. You want fucking socialism? Move to Iran you ungreatful bastard.

 

[kbm8795]

A woman with a panel of socialist advisors and a man (Barrack Hussein Obama) with openly socialist views.... yeah, that's alot worst than Bush. Read up alittlle on what those two truly believe in then comment.

So the choice is now either socialism or fascism? Or it is dominionism? The Republicans would have to dump their wacky commitment to symbolism rather than substance, and that ain't likely gonna happen as long as the party has to carry along the Religious Reich.

 

[ABCs]

So the choice is now either socialism or fascism? Or it is dominionism? The Republicans would have to dump their wacky commitment to symbolism rather than substance, and that ain't likely gonna happen as long as the party has to carry along the Religious Reich.

Excuse me? Never knew I had to have a religion to be in the Republican party... I think you need to stop watching CNN and reading the NY Times and start getting your source of media from a mroe open minded group of people. Honestly you sound like a Liberal bullet point.

 

[BigDyl]

CNN = corporate = right wing

 

[DOMS]

Excuse me? Never knew I had to have a religion to be in the Republican party... I think you need to stop watching CNN and reading the NY Times and start getting your source of media from a mroe open minded group of people. Honestly you sound like a Liberal bullet point.

 

[kbm8795]

No, we don't... it's far from it buddy. And if you believe that then you don't deserve to be here nor do you have any respect for the men that have given their lives to protect the system that we have so greatly installed into this fine country. You want fucking socialism? Move to Iran you ungreatful bastard.

Oh come off it - who the hell are you to decide who belongs in this country? And since when does being con-servative equal patriotism? Dude, this country wasn't founded on fear, and the system wasn't established to promote a one-party dictatorship. It wasn't founded to promote even a TWO-party dictatorship.

Who is gonna vote for a bunch of clowns who spent more time trying to push a stupid flag burning amendment than addressing the real problems in this country? Or who could only find the ability to burn the midnight oil when they had to kiss some wingnut butt over Terri Schiavo while they were humpin' the congressional pages on the side? If I have to make a choice, I'll take what you call "socialism" before bats*it crazy any day. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even recognize the Republican Party of today.

 

[kbm8795]

Excuse me? Never knew I had to have a religion to be in the Republican party... I think you need to stop watching CNN and reading the NY Times and start getting your source of media from a mroe open minded group of people. Honestly you sound like a Liberal bullet point.

Well, you are safe living in New York City. Try reading the party platform in some other states....like Texas.

 

[ABCs]

Oh come off it - who the hell are you to decide who belongs in this country? And since when does being con-servative equal patriotism? Dude, this country wasn't founded on fear, and the system wasn't established to promote a one-party dictatorship. It wasn't founded to promote even a TWO-party dictatorship.

Who is gonna vote for a bunch of clowns who spent more time trying to push a stupid flag burning amendment than addressing the real problems in this country? Or who could only find the ability to burn the midnight oil when they had to kiss some wingnut butt over Terri Schiavo while they were humpin' the congressional pages on the side? If I have to make a choice, I'll take what you call "socialism" before bats*it crazy any day. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even recognize the Republican Party of today.

Again my friend, read what you have written above and you are simply spewing the talking points of the mainstream media in the past 4 months. Are you truly that one dimensional? If I wanted to have this argument I'd walk into CNN Studios and speak to the first person I see walking in the halway.

 

[BigDyl]

Oh come off it - who the hell are you to decide who belongs in this country? And since when does being con-servative equal patriotism? Dude, this country wasn't founded on fear, and the system wasn't established to promote a one-party dictatorship. It wasn't founded to promote even a TWO-party dictatorship.

Who is gonna vote for a bunch of clowns who spent more time trying to push a stupid flag burning amendment than addressing the real problems in this country? Or who could only find the ability to burn the midnight oil when they had to kiss some wingnut butt over Terri Schiavo while they were humpin' the congressional pages on the side? If I have to make a choice, I'll take what you call "socialism" before bats*it crazy any day. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even recognize the Republican Party of today.

 

[bigss75]

CNN = corporate = right wing

CNN= Communist News Network

 

[kbm8795]

Again my friend, read what you have written above and you are simply spewing the talking points of the mainstream media in the past 4 months. Are you truly that one dimensional? If I wanted to have this argument I'd walk into CNN Studios and speak to the first person I see walking in the halway.

I AM part of the mainstream media. But I'm sure you are an expert about media agendasetting - or at least what you learned from con-artist talk radio. Say hello to Glenn Beck when you drop by CNN.

 

[ABCs]

CNN= Communist News Network

Thank you and doesn't Mr. kbm sound like one big CNN talking point? And the guy with the big pwned sign probably ahs the channel going on in the background as we speak. Learn some new views and gather some belifs of your own, not some bullshit that some idiot with a comb over and 10 lbs of make-up tells you to believe. Learn some new talking points then you will be in my league. As of right now, kbm is a walking news channel.

 

[BigDyl]

Thank you and doesn't Mr. kbm sound like one big CNN talking point? And the guy with the big pwned sign probably ahs the channel going on in the background as we speak. Learn some new views and gather some belifs of your own, not some bullshit that some idiot with a comb over and 10 lbs of make-up tells you to believe. Learn some new talking points then you will be in my league. As of right now, kbm is a walking news channel.

Honestly kbm would own you in any sort of organized debate. He's like some college professor or something.

 

[ABCs]

I AM part of the mainstream media. But I'm sure you are an expert about media agendasetting - or at least what you learned from con-artist talk radio. Say hello to Glenn Beck when you drop by CNN.

Nah, it's across the street but I refuse to step foot in there... I don't even think if they offered me a job that I would take it. Fox treats me good and the radio devision is much more open minded then the television side. I can truly say I am happy to work for them.

My relief is here, off to home I go.

 

[DOMS]

Have a good night, man.

 

[BigDyl]

Nah, it's across the street but I refuse to step foot in there... I don't even think if they offered me a job that I would take it. Fox treats me good and the radio devision is much more open minded then the television side. I can truly say I am happy to work for them.

My relief is here, off to home I go.

Rofl. You work at Fox?


ROTGLMFAO

 

[kbm8795]

Again my friend, read what you have written above and you are simply spewing the talking points of the mainstream media in the past 4 months. Are you truly that one dimensional? If I wanted to have this argument I'd walk into CNN Studios and speak to the first person I see walking in the halway.

That's right - the American people were brainwashed into believing Congress was sitting up late one night trying to find some activist judges to handle the looney bin special project - and the Prez didn't really fly back to the White House while on vacation (a very rare event indeed) to cater to that nonsense, while professional con-servative televangelista faith healers were nowhere to be found. Meanwhile, Congressman Foley wasn't really trying to score some teenage boys over at the Page House and Tom DeLay was just trying to help the Indians run their casino operations. The Party of "God"got its butt kicked all the way down the board because it obsessed about everything but real problems.

Hell - take South Dakota, with a legislature still operated by the Republicans. Their latest venture? To make having a wet dream while sleeping in the same room with someone under 18 a felony with a $15k fine and potential five years in the slammer.

 

[kbm8795]

Nah, it's across the street but I refuse to step foot in there... I don't even think if they offered me a job that I would take it. Fox treats me good and the radio devision is much more open minded then the television side. I can truly say I am happy to work for them.

My relief is here, off to home I go.

And I'll bet they are real happy with your copy, too.

 

[kbm8795]

Thank you and doesn't Mr. kbm sound like one big CNN talking point? And the guy with the big pwned sign probably ahs the channel going on in the background as we speak. Learn some new views and gather some belifs of your own, not some bullshit that some idiot with a comb over and 10 lbs of make-up tells you to believe. Learn some new talking points then you will be in my league. As of right now, kbm is a walking news channel.

Oh puh-leeze. What would you know about the definition of a "talking point" anyway? It's amazing how people memorize these cliches and pretend they know something - surely this ain't another one of those GOP insecurity trips taking off. . .