Deputy Tasers woman, 72, during traffic stop

[tucker01]

What reason did he have to taser her? How was tasing her doing his job?

 

[QuestionGuy]

What reason did he have to taser her? How was tasing her doing his job?

nevermind dude, you are not being reasonable and or rational at this moment....and you are not really reading my comments and wanting to understand so I hope you have a better day...You know, Morning sex really can improve your whole outlook on the day, try it.

 

[tucker01]

How am I not being rational?

I read your comments, and don't see how they apply to that case. Was she a cunt, sure. But the officers job is to diffuse the situation, there was no threat from an 82 year old women.

Questiongirl gives me all the sex I want. thanks.

 

[QuestionGuy]

How am I not being rational?

I read your comments, and don't see how they apply to that case. Was she a cunt, sure. But the officers job is to diffuse the situation, there was no threat from an 82 year old women.

Questiongirl gives me all the sex I want. thanks.

awww....how cute, you just prooved something to me.....sometimes its impossible to defuse a situation because people will start acting like kids and start carrying out personal attacks....read thru the posts, you'll see...i thought you are better than that dude, i really do hope that you have a great day today and maybe even get some from your own personal "questiongirl"......

And you know what, the sad part is that I AM ALMOST completely on your side regarding this issue except a few things and some knowlege only experience can teach you...

 

[tucker01]

How cute. You throw an insult to me about my sex life, and don't expect a rebuttal? Usually I would come across a lot harsher then that.

In none of my posts I came across as confrontational. I am looking for an explanation. What knowledge and experience would teach you to think in anyway, that tasing in that situation was necessary?

 

[I Are Baboon]

Usually I would come across a lot harsher then that.

I'm a little disappointed myself.

 

[Little Wing]

she says 'give me the ticket i'll sign it" several times. he should have done that then n there. end of story.

 

[maniclion]

I disagree completely, in the old days nobody would mouth off to a cop. Now every person young and old mouths off (and more) to authority.

No in the old days we didn't have a million amateur journalists running around catching only the worst of humanity....that's all we ever see so we think it's the norm but it's not. Most people get pulled over and are nervous as hell, they just sit there, we don't see those videos we see the handful of people who lash out....

 

[maniclion]

no im not kidding you, im giving you an example of how tasers prevent more injurie to a person instead of having to go physcial,

I see what you're saying about the tasers usefullness when less-than lethal force needs to be used, but honestly none of what the cop did was working towards diffusing the situation, he started yelling and manhandling her mere seconds after she said "give me the ticket and I'll sign it..."

He let a feeble old woman juice him up, he's a hothead who could end up being a danger to himself, others on the force and the public......

 

[maxpro2]

its been prooven that it does not have any affect, the electricity does not affect your heart at all.

Those studies are questionable at best. There have been studies done showing that taser usage, coupled with another factor such as heart disease or drug use, resulted in several deaths.

The truth is that no one knows exactly how safe these things are, and the long term effects have not been studied well.

That is why they need to be limited to situations where the alternative would be lethal force.

 

[QuestionGuy]

I see what you're saying about the tasers usefullness when less-than lethal force needs to be used, but honestly none of what the cop did was working towards diffusing the situation, he started yelling and manhandling her mere seconds after she said "give me the ticket and I'll sign it..."

He let a feeble old woman juice him up, he's a hothead who could end up being a danger to himself, others on the force and the public......

ok, ill meet you half way...Trust me dude, I learned some lessons the hard way, i became a cop at 21 years of age fresh out of the university wiht a fowhawk thinking that police work was all about what I saw on the tv show COPS on saturday nights....This cop is probably a good man who got caught up in personal emotions and pride, but so was the lady...When she says 'OK give me the ticket ill sign it", well now its too late to go back to the basics because some force had been used and needs to be completed....could have been prevented by just ingoring it..."Im sorry your having a bad day mam" "I hope you have a better day" "Im gona leave the citation on your lap so you can review it, and if you don't agree you can argue it in court, again I hope you ahve a better day"....I dont know about texas, but in Salt Lake you dont have to sign a citation, it dosnt mean anything sign it or not i dont give a shit..............this way, this could have been avoided in my opinion, he could have walked over to his car, called her a bitch and punched his steering wheel and told his buddies about what an old crazy bitch she was and taht he hopes she drops dead...done story, good cops act like they give a shit about whats going on, and then just have a fun time and vent to their buddies about what happened...

 

[QuestionGuy]

Those studies are questionable at best. There have been studies done showing that taser usage, coupled with another factor such as heart disease or drug use, resulted in several deaths.

The truth is that no one knows exactly how safe these things are, and the long term effects have not been studied well.

That is why they need to be limited to situations where the alternative would be lethal force.

well, no duuuuuuuuuuuh buddy, ofcourse drug use like meth will make the effect worse, captain obvious......So your telling me because (for example) cars can result in deadly car accidents we shouldnt use them????


ALSO, you are sooooooo IGNORANT dude.........Your telling me that tasers (non lethal weapon) (read MY GOD DAMN posts god damnit, they prevent MORE injurie to people who resist)...So you are saying that when someone confronts YOU wiht a deadly weapon or situation, YOU would use a non lethal weapon and risk death to stop the situation from happening...YOUR PRECEPTION of reality is so far gone you need medication, WOULD YOU put your LIFE in danger if it was YOU on the streets??

 

[maxpro2]

So here is the FACT, the taser avoided the granny from getting twisted into a pretzel possibly slammed on the ground and maybe even punched because she would have resisted the officer when he HAD TO TAKE CONTROL BECAUE ITS HIS JOB...SO the taser caused her a little pain for 5 seconds and she complied right after, but if the cop did not have a taser he would had had to use a lot more physical actions thus probably breaking the granny’s hip in the process and hurting her more...........................


Ill give you an example of many that I have............. 1:30AM in the middle of a infamous park in the city, in the pitch dark. A guy who has a 2nd degree felony warrant for a robbery has just been seen entering the park 5 minutes ago. I find a man matching his description walking towards me. I try to stop and talk to him because i have MORE than enough "reasonable suspicion". He starts walking away and denies talking to me, I tell him three times to stop and tlak to me but he does not and starts explaining why I don’t have the right to do this to him. (keep in mind he is a possible wanted felon and he is trespassing in the park at night). He refuses to comply and I have to do something since I am the cop and I have to be in charge. So it has come to this, I have to be physical, I grab his arm, and he pulls away, so I grab his neck and throw him on the ground. Now there is 250 pounds of muscle and equipment on top of this guy but he does a pushup like a fucking rabbit and throws me off him. 3 whole minutes pass by with me screaming "stop resisting" and him screaming "Police brutality help help", my co workers can't find me because its a huge park and punches, kicks are being exchanged.....The guy is high on meth and he can’t feel that his nose is broken and its bleeding out everywhere....I was clearly beating his ass but I was getting tired as hell...SO, I pull my taser and tase him THREE freaking times before he decides to stop trying to take the wires out of his body and give up. Now i know grandma was not a big fighter but the cop avoided more injury to her by tasing her than having to go physical in which case INGORANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU would still be "AT A LOSS FOR WORDS".

AGAIN, im sure you are a good "sheep" who means no harm and just tries to survive in this world, but please do tell what you would have done....and keep in mind you have a comfortable chair and plenty of time to come up wiht a response, this cop didn't.

1) To compare these situations is absurd... a potentially dangerous felon who is running away versus a 72-year old lady who was a little rowdy
but posed no threat.

2) You are a cop see a valid analogy between the two situations? That scares me. Are you familar with Graham v. Connor at all? How is tasing a 72-year old lady for not signing a ticket reasonable? Would a reasonable officer fear for his life? Was she trying to escape?

3) If instead of an old lady there was a young wanted felon, I would be arguing that it was a valid use of the Taser because the threat posed to the officer would be extremely high.

4) Tasers cause a lot more than "a little pain."

 

[QuestionGuy]

1) To compare these situations is absurd... a potentially dangerous felon who is running away versus a 72-year old lady who was a little rowdy
but posed no threat.

2) You are a cop see a valid analogy between the two situations? That scares me. Are you familar with Graham v. Connor at all? How is tasing a 72-year old lady for not signing a ticket reasonable? Would a reasonable officer fear for his life? Was she trying to escape?

3) If instead of an old lady there was a young wanted felon, I would be arguing that it was a valid use of the Taser because the threat posed to the officer would be extremely high.

4) Tasers cause a lot more than "a little pain."

dude, stop playing lawyer...and NO im not comparing...IM simply explaining how tasers AVOID FURTHER INJURIE, what is wrong wiht you ?? READ MY GOD DAMN posts......jesus fucking christare you blind??

 

[maniclion]

ok, ill meet you half way...Trust me dude, I learned some lessons the hard way, i became a cop at 21 years of age fresh out of the university wiht a fowhawk thinking that police work was all about what I saw on the tv show COPS on saturday nights....This cop is probably a good man who got caught up in personal emotions and pride, but so was the lady...When she says 'OK give me the ticket ill sign it", well now its too late to go back to the basics because some force had been used and needs to be completed....could have been prevented by just ingoring it..."Im sorry your having a bad day mam" "I hope you have a better day" "Im gona leave the citation on your lap so you can review it, and if you don't agree you can argue it in court, again I hope you ahve a better day"....I dont know about texas, but in Salt Lake you dont have to sign a citation, it dosnt mean anything sign it or not i dont give a shit..............this way, this could have been avoided in my opinion, he could have walked over to his car, called her a bitch and punched his steering wheel and told his buddies about what an old crazy bitch she was and taht he hopes she drops dead...done story, good cops act like they give a shit about whats going on, and then just have a fun time and vent to their buddies about what happened...

That's exactly what he should have done. When I rented exotic cars our shop was in the back of a gas station where the cops would hang out for breaks. I spent 3 years several hours a day with those guys I heard all of their stories and was the one they would vent to when they had a bad day. We would talk about anything, I would tell them about my recent trips on acid, or how drunk I still was that morning and one of them would confide in me about using roids, or one would tell me he still smoked weed with his GF before they fucked. I was their laptop repair guy, too. Having spent that much time I know those guys would have all handled that situation differently. I guess it's the Aloha spirit or something but in Hawaii we treat the elderly with respect even when they get cranky like this old weezer did.

 

[maxpro2]

well, no duuuuuuuuuuuh buddy, ofcourse drug use like meth will make the effect worse, captain obvious......So your telling me because (for example) cars can result in deadly car accidents we shouldnt use them????

1) That is the worst argument I've ever heard.
2) You aren't that educated, are you?
3) The long term effects are not known. And most of the studies studying the effects that conclude they are safe are down by the taser companies...

So you are saying that when someone confronts YOU wiht a deadly weapon or situation, YOU would use a non lethal weapon and risk death to stop the situation from happening...YOUR PRECEPTION of reality is so far gone you need medication, WOULD YOU put your LIFE in danger if it was YOU on the streets??

1) Can you please take a class in grammar and spelling? You are not exactly helping cops look better with your horrible arguments and poor use of English.
2) I am saying, as does the Supreme Court, that actions need to be reasonable. If a gun is pulled on an officer, of course the first weapon the officer should reach for is a gun.

Tasers need to be limited to diffusing violent situations where the officer feels threatened--where the only alternative would be deadly force. If a possibly dangerous felon is fleeing police and a Taser can be used safely instead of just killing him, then that is a good use of the Taser.

If an man is charging a group of police and a Taser can be used to stop him instead of killing him, then that is a good use of the Taser.

Tasing an elderly woman because she was rowdy in refusing to sign a ticket IS NOT A GOOD USE OF THE TASER.

 

[maxpro2]

M simply explaining how tasers AVOID FURTHER INJURIE, what is wrong wiht you ?? READ MY GOD DAMN posts......jesus fucking christare you blind??

So you are saying here that there were no other options than slamming this old lady to the pavement and that justifies the use of the Taser here? Really? No other options in handling this elderly lady?

This is my point: The Taser should never be used to force a person to comply with an order given by an officer where there is no immediate threat to the life or safety of the officer or others.

 

[QuestionGuy]

1. Yes I am very well educated
2. I type very fast and if you dont like the way I write, thats too bad for you I'm not spending time to fix my writing because YOU do not matter to me.
3. English is my third language and I have mastered it well.
4. READ MY GOD DAMN POSTS YOU STUPID IDIOT.
5. If some dude is chargint at me I will move aside and POSSIBLY tase him, deadly force is out of the question.
6. if a guy was chargin at me wihta gun/knife/rock/stick/scissor and anything that can even cause me a moderate injurie I WILL NOT tase him, I will put as many bullet thru his head as I can before he drops dead...
7. READ MYGOD DAMN POSTS

 

[tucker01]

Not often I am on side with Maxpro2, but funny how neither one of us read QuestionGuy's post correctly.

I am still waiting to hear what the knowledge and experience is that you learned that would side on that of an officer taking that kind of action?

 

[QuestionGuy]

8. You are a moron
9. READ MY POSTS
10. You didnt really read my posts because you would have writen that.

 

[maxpro2]

6. if a guy was chargin at me wihta gun/knife/rock/stick/scissor and anything that can even cause me a moderate injurie I WILL NOT tase him, I will put as many bullet thru his head as I can before he drops dead...

So even if you could safely apply the Taser to him, you would elect to take a life just because you could? You should not be a cop you fucking power abusing prick.

 

[maxpro2]

9. READ MY POSTS

I did, unfortunately.

 

[QuestionGuy]

So even if you could safely apply the Taser to him, you would elect to take a life just because you could? You should not be a cop you fucking power abusing prick.

WRONG...NOT like that at ALL, again if your read a few of my posts you would know that..........AND YES, if the motherfucker had any chance of cauing severe injuriy to me or anyone else (even you) I would put him down like a fuckin dog...but hey, im not judging you, if you want to risk your life and tase someone who is attacking you wiht a deadly weapon than so be it, I wont miss you....your preception of reality is out of whack....read my comments, far from "power hungry"..waht does that even mean>?

 

[tucker01]

Everyone read your comments and came to the same conclusion. Ever think your communication skills might be the problem, considering multiple sources have pointed out the opposite of what you think it is?

Don't bitch at people about reading your posts when you can't even quote what they are saying correctly. No where do I see "power hungry".

 

[maxpro2]

So even if you could safely apply the Taser to him, you would elect to take a life just because you could?

YES, if the motherfucker had any chance of cauing severe injuriy to me or anyone else (even you) I would put him down like a fuckin dog...

Let's compare how you would respond in a situation with how good police officers would respond:

When Orem officers arrived at a group home on Feb. 2, 2005, the 6 foot, 200 pound, mentally unstable boy had broken off two legs from a chair and was threatening himself and others.

"I saw (him) coming toward us in a very threatening manner as he was holding those sticks above him as if he was going to stab one of us," an officer wrote in his police report obtained by the Deseret News.

"I felt the only way to resolve the situation with minimum risk of injury to (him) and officers was to deploy my Taser," another responding officer wrote.

The boy, who had not responded to pepper spray, was struck with two deployments from a Taser and finally complied, dropping the sticks. Officers took him to Utah Valley Regional Medical Center for treatment for the probe entry wounds plus further mental health evaluations.

So you would have shot this mentally unstable boy and don't see the merit of using a Taser here? Just shoot the kid because you can? My conclusion stands: you probably shouldn't be a cop.

 

[KelJu]

nevermind dude, you are not being reasonable and or rational at this moment....and you are not really reading my comments and wanting to understand so I hope you have a better day...You know, Morning sex really can improve your whole outlook on the day, try it.

Don't taze Ian please.

 

[maniclion]

So you would have shot this mentally unstable boy and don't see the merit of using a Taser here? Just shoot the kid because you can? My conclusion stands: you probably shouldn't be a cop.

You didn't read his post, he said if a person were "charging" at him with a lethal weapon he would shoot him......I think 99% of police officers would do the same....being threatened by a person standing still and being charged at are 2 different scenarios.....

I am usually the one all over Questiondudes posts because I like to aggravate him but none of you have actually read and comprehended what he wrote....

I think you guys are coming in here biased towards him because of previous threads where he defended every action of an officer....

 

[maxpro2]

You didn't read his post, he said if a person were "charging" at him with a lethal weapon he would shoot him..

No, this is what he said.

6. if a guy was chargin at me wihta gun/knife/rock/stick/scissor and anything that can even cause me a moderate injurie I WILL NOT tase him, I will put as many bullet thru his head as I can before he drops dead...

I think you guys are coming in here biased towards him because of previous threads where he defended every action of an officer....

I am actually not a "cop-hater" with several cops in my own family. However, that doesn't mean I will give cops a blank check to do what they want... I will still call cops out if I think there is a potential abuse.

 

[maniclion]

No, this is what he said.

Yes gun knife, rock, scissor all capable of injuring his arm or knocking him unconscious to where he won't be able to counter the next attack to his jugular, head or femoral artery.....

 

[maxpro2]

Yes gun knife, rock, scissor all capable of injuring his arm or knocking him unconscious to where he won't be able to counter the next attack to his jugular, head or femoral artery.....

How is that different from the article I quoted? Don't you think that was a good result?

QuestionGuy is basically saying that as long as he can use deadly force, he will, even if he could safely deploy a taser.

How is this reasonable? To be honest, throwing out these hypotheticals was kind of a trap for him. A responsible police officer wouldn't even engage in hypotheticals because every situation is going to be different and calls for an on-the-spot judgment about what level of force should be used. The fact that he has this blanket policy that he will kill anyone who attempts anything on him is inherently unreasonable and shows just what a poor cop he is.