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I've heard several folks talk about Dextrose as a good PWO supp to take in conjunction with my whey shakes. Then I have also seen folks who reccomend taking it with creatine.

I've put on a little muscle lately and given the cut a little rest. I'm now heading back at the cutting phase full steam. What would dextrose do for me if anything???


Thanks in advance..
 
All I can say is try it and find out, different people will react differently.

I am a fan of Oats and Skim milk PWO.
 
heres a lil something i read..

"Yeah yeah yeah. "Carbs are bad! Carbs are the devil! I am scared to death of carbs! Get them away from me!!" Settle down. First of all, they aren't so bad. Secondly, after your workout they are actually an extremely important part of your post workout nutrition. Carbs will be used by your body to restore muscle glycogen. If your post workout meal doesn't contain carbs, your body may actually instead break down muscle tissue for this same purpose. That would be a bad thing. Carbs also create an insulin spike which helps to move nutrients into your muscle tissue quicker.

So, now that you know you need them after a workout, what kind do you need? Well, you know all about good carbs and bad carbs by now, right? Funny enough, this is actually the only time when "good carbs" and "bad carbs" switch roles. This doesn't mean start eating cookies, this just means that typical good carbs (whole wheat bread, brown rice, etc) contain fiber, and fiber slows down their digestion. This is actually what makes them "good" any other time of the day. But by now you know the post workout meal is all about speed. And when it comes to speed, simple carbs beat complex carbs.

A food like a baked potato is an okay choice for a carb source after a workout. However, just like protein, whole foods in general aren't really the most ideal choice at this time. This is where a little something called dextrose comes in. Dextrose is not a supplement... it's actually just a type of sugar. I know, I'm basically saying you should eat sugar. While that would be insane any other time of the day, your post workout meal is the one exception.

Along with whey protein, dextrose has also become almost an official choice for a post workout carb. Most people usually consume between 40-80 grams of carbs at this time from dextrose. I think 50-60 is probably a more average number to shoot for. As far as dextrose goes, I personally use NOW Foods Dextrose."
 
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I've heard several folks talk about Dextrose as a good PWO supp to take in conjunction with my whey shakes. Then I have also seen folks who reccomend taking it with creatine.

I've put on a little muscle lately and given the cut a little rest. I'm now heading back at the cutting phase full steam. What would dextrose do for me if anything???


Thanks in advance..

Its a PWO insulin spike. Lots swear by it, some dont. I spike with creatine(swole and 3g of CEE), and also use R-ALA to help with uptake. I 'feel' this works best for myself, followed by a shake that has oats in it.
 
Its a PWO insulin spike. Lots swear by it, some dont. I spike with creatine(swole and 3g of CEE), and also use R-ALA to help with uptake. I 'feel' this works best for myself, followed by a shake that has oats in it.

few questions for you man.
you think itd be TOO much to use both creatine AND dextrose in my PWO shake?
and then also. so youre saying after your workout, you have your protein shake..and then after that shake you have another? or do you wait an hour or so for the other shake? how's that work? do you just use less of your whey protein and divide among the two, or what?
off topic question n stuff i know, sorry. maybe if anything private message me with your response? thanks
 
Dextrose is used to spike insulin PWO which is very benefical in repairing your muscles after a hard workout. Look up insulin on Google is see the laundry list of benefits it provides for you PWO
This isn't cookie cutter though. It doesn't work well for everyone, especially those that are already overweight or have slow metabolisms.
 
few questions for you man.
you think itd be TOO much to use both creatine AND dextrose in my PWO shake?
and then also. so youre saying after your workout, you have your protein shake..and then after that shake you have another? or do you wait an hour or so for the other shake? how's that work? do you just use less of your whey protein and divide among the two, or what?
off topic question n stuff i know, sorry. maybe if anything private message me with your response? thanks

Ok, here is how I do it.

Wake up 7am, drink shake with 1/2cup oats.
Gym around 8-8:30am
Immediately after workout I drink my creatine(CEE), take my R-ALA, and that is mixed with swole(its sugar and tri(?)creatine malate).
Go home within 20mins of gym and drink protein shake with oats.
 
Ok, here is how I do it.

Wake up 7am, drink shake with 1/2cup oats.
Gym around 8-8:30am
Immediately after workout I drink my creatine(CEE), take my R-ALA, and that is mixed with swole(its sugar and tri(?)creatine malate).
Go home within 20mins of gym and drink protein shake with oats.

ooo alright, gotcha. thanks for the ideas :thumb:
 
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is BSN's Cheater's Relief (i think its called something like that) the same thing as R-ALA? cause my buddy who is leaving for the national guard soon has half a bottle or so that he said i could have.
 
Ok, here is how I do it.

Wake up 7am, drink shake with 1/2cup oats.
Gym around 8-8:30am
Immediately after workout I drink my creatine(CEE), take my R-ALA, and that is mixed with swole(its sugar and tri(?)creatine malate).
Go home within 20mins of gym and drink protein shake with oats.

Ok brother just for me, I don't follow all the abreviations. Can you break it down two year old style for me?
 
CEE is Creatine ethyl ester.

What is it and where does it come from?

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.

What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass1,2,3,4, muscle strength5,6 and athletic performance.7,8

However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.

Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."

Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?

Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?

All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:

1 Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
2 Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
3 Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids

When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.
When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.

Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.

Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterification of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.

Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterification of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.

This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!

Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?

Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate. Many multiple sclerosis patients are classified as creatine non-responders, but with the improved absorption seen with CEE this may not be the case.

Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?

Much controversy has been generated over creatine ethyl ester. Companies and individuals with a financial interest in promoting creatine monohydrate products have attempted to discredit creatine ethyl ester. Some companies have even gone so far as to commission laboratory reports that show that creatine ethyl ester is not real.

Included with this page is one such report, and also included are two COA's - certificates of analysis - proving that creatine ethyl ester is real. These are included so that you, the consumer, can make up your own mind - so that you can base your choices upon the power of information.

The one report that states that creatine ethyl ester is fake was commissioned by an industry company with an interest in discrediting creatine ethyl ester. The two certificates of analysis included show that CEE is real and was done on raw source product and conducted by people with no financial interest in the promotion of creatine ethyl ester.

The esterification of creatine is chemically possible and not hard to conceive. Those who claim that CEE is fake are denying obvious science and are cheating the consumer.

REFERENCES

1. Racette SB. Creatine supplementation and athletic performance. J Orthop Sports Phys Ther. 2003 Oct;33(10):615-21.

2. Kreider, R.B., 1999. Dietary supplements and the promotion of muscle growth with resistance exercise. Sports Medicine 27:97-110.

3. Becque, M.D., et al. 2000. Effects of oral creatine supplementation on muscular strength and body composition. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 32: 654-658.

4. Ingwal JS, Weiner CD, Morales MF, Davis E, Stockdale FE: Specificity of creatine in the control of muscle protein synthesis. J Cell Biol 63:145-151, 1974.

5. Rawson ES, Volek JS. Effects of creatine supplementation and resistance training on muscle strength and weightlifting performance. J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Nov;17(4):822-31.

6. Kambis KW, Pizzedaz SK. Short-term creatine supplementation improves maximum quadriceps contraction in women. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Mar;13(1):87-96.

7. Gill ND, Hall RD, Blazevich AJ. Creatine serum is not as effective as creatine powder for improving cycle sprint performance in competitive male team-sport athletes. J Strength Cond Res. 2004 May;18(2):272-5.

8. Rawson, E.S., et al. 1999. Effects of 30 days of creatine ingestion in older men. European Journal of Applied Physiology 80: 139-144.

9. Sosin D.M., Sniezek J.E., Thurman D.J.. Incidence of mild and moderate brain injury in the United States, 1991. Brain Inj 1996 Jan;10(1):47-54.




R-ALA is the R isomer of alpha lipoic acid. R-ALA is the purest form of Alpha-Lipoic Acid available. R-ALA's health benefits are almost limitless, with glucose disposal, strong anti-oxidant properties.

R-ALA is a potent insulin-mimicking agent. It speeds the removal of glucose (sugar) from the blood, which accounts for the profound benefits seen by many. It also has growing reputation as a fat-loss supplement.

R-ALA is also crucial for energy production - it helps break down sugar for the production of ATP, the fuel used by cells to keep the body running. This activity helps to ensure that ingested carbohydrates will be used as fuel, and not stored as fat. Many people using R-ALA report higher energy levels for sustained periods of time.

R-Lipoic acid is the only form of lipoic acid that:

your body synthesizes and can safely metabolize.
is proven to significantly increase your cellular and mitochondrial antioxidant activity for preventing mitochondrial decay. This effectively attenuates the reported increase in oxidative stress with aging.
is proven to support memory.
is proven to significantly increase insulin sensitivity, enhance glucose transport, increase metabolic rate, and reduce the gain in body fat.
is proven to protect body fats against oxidative damage, chelate harmful metals, and help maintain a healthy heart.
is proven to significantly increase or maintain levels of other antioxidants, including Coenzyme Q10, vitamin C, vitamin E, and glutathione.


Description
Alpha lipoic acid is an enzyme found in the mitochondria ??? the energy producing structures found in our cells. As a dietary supplement, alpha-lipoic acid may act as a powerful antioxidant, where it may work in synergy with other nutritional antioxidants like vitamins C and E.

Claims
Prevents cellular damage (from free radicals)
Reduces oxidative stress
Lowers blood sugar
Increases energy levels


Theory
Although alpha lipoic acid is involved in cellular energy production, its chief role as a dietary supplement may be as a powerful antioxidant. The body appears to be able to manufacture enough alpha-lipoic acid for its metabolic functions (as a co-factor for a number of enzymes involved in converting fat and sugar to energy), but the excess levels provided by supplements allow alpha-lipoic acid to circulate in a "free" state. In this state, alpha-lipoic acid has functions as both a water- and fat-soluble antioxidant. This unique ability of alpha-lipoic acid to be active in water and lipid compartments of the body is important because most antioxidants, such as vitamins C and E, are effective in only one area or the other. For instance vitamin C is usually restricted to the interior compartment of cells and the watery portion of blood, while vitamin E embeds itself in the fatty portion of cell membranes. Adding to the potential importance of alpha-lipoic acid is its role in the production of glutathione, one of the chief antioxidants produced directly by the body.

Scientific Support
In animal studies, alpha-lipoic acid supplementation has been shown to improve several indices of metabolic activity and lower the degree of oxidative stress. Alpha-lipoic acid supplementation reversed the declines in oxygen consumption and mitochondrial energy production that are commonly observed with aging. Activity levels were increased by approximately 3-fold in animals fed the supplement, suggesting that energy levels were enhanced. Levels of other antioxidants, such as glutathione and ascorbic acid, were also elevated in animals consuming alpha-lipoic acid, suggesting that the supplement may help protect and/or recycle these antioxidants and contribute to the overall capacity of the body to neutralize free radical damage. In conjunction with other antioxidants, such as vitamin E, alpha-lipoic acid may be doubly helpful in patients with diabetes. By promoting the production of energy from fat and sugar in the mitochondria, glucose removal from the bloodstream may be enhanced and insulin function improved. Indeed, alpha-lipoic acid has been shown to decrease insulin resistance and is prescribed frequently in Europe as a treatment for peripheral neuropathy (nerve damage) associated with diabetes. In the U.S., the American Diabetes Association has suggested that alpha-lipoic acid plus vitamin E may be helpful in combating some of the health complications associated with diabetes, including heart disease, vision problems, nerve damage and kidney disease. Alpha-lipoic acid has also been implicated in helping to protect the brain from damage following a stroke.

Safety
Although there have been relatively few studies conducted with alpha-lipoic acid in humans, it appears to be safe as a dietary supplement. Intakes of as much as 600 mg per day have been used for treatment of diabetic neuropathy, with no serious side effects.

Value
If alpha-lipoic acid were just another antioxidant, then its value would be far less. After all, there are dozens of ingredients on the market that have powerful antioxidant functions. The unique qualities possessed by alpha-lipoic acid, functioning as both a water- and fat-soluble antioxidant make it an intriguing ingredient and a supplement worthy of serious consideration.

Dosage
50 ??? 100 mg per day as a general antioxidant

References
1. Arivazhagan P, Panneerselvam C. Effect of DL - alpha -lipoic acid on neural antioxidants in aged rats. Pharmacol Res. 2000 Sep;42(3):219-22. 2. Biewenga GP, Haenen GR, Bast A. The pharmacology of the antioxidant lipoic acid. Gen Pharmacol. 1997 Sep;29(3):315-31. 3. Dovinova I. alpha-Lipoic acid--a natural disulfide cofactor and antioxidant with anticarcinogenic effects. Ceska Slov Farm. 1996 Sep;45(5):237-41. 4. Hagen TM, Ingersoll RT, Lykkesfeldt J, Liu J, Wehr CM, Vinarsky V, Bartholomew JC, Ames AB. (R)-alpha-lipoic acid-supplemented old rats have improved mitochondrial function, decreased oxidative damage, and increased metabolic rate. FASEB J. 1999 Feb;13(2):411-8. 5. Khanna S, Atalay M, Lodge JK, Laaksonen DE, Roy S, Hanninen O, Packer L, Sen CK. Skeletal muscle and liver lipoyllysine content in response to exercise, training and dietary alpha-lipoic acid supplementation. Biochem Mol Biol Int. 1998 Oct;46(2):297-306. 6. Konrad T, Vicini P, Kusterer K, Hoflich A, Assadkhani A, Bohles HJ, Sewell A, Tritschler HJ, Cobelli C, Usadel KH. alpha-Lipoic acid treatment decreases serum lactate and pyruvate concentrations and improves glucose effectiveness in lean and obese patients with type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Care. 1999 Feb;22(2):280-7. 7. Nickander KK, McPhee BR, Low PA, Tritschler H. Alpha-lipoic acid: antioxidant potency against lipid peroxidation of neural tissues in vitro and implications for diabetic neuropathy. Free Radic Biol Med. 1996;21(5):631-9. 8. Packer L, Tritschler HJ, Wessel K. Neuroprotection by the metabolic antioxidant alpha-lipoic acid. Free Radic Biol Med. 1997;22(1-2):359-78. 9. Packer L, Witt EH, Tritschler HJ. alpha-Lipoic acid as a biological antioxidant. Free Radic Biol Med. 1995 Aug;19(2):227-50. 10. Packer L. alpha-Lipoic acid: a metabolic antioxidant which regulates NF-kappa B signal transduction and protects against oxidative injury. Drug Metab Rev. 1998 May;30(2):245-75. 11. Panigrahi M, Sadguna Y, Shivakumar BR, Kolluri SV, Roy S, Packer L, Ravindranath V. alpha-Lipoic acid protects against reperfusion injury following cerebral ischemia in rats. Brain Res. 1996 Apr 22;717(1-2):184-8. 12. Podda M, Tritschler HJ, Ulrich H, Packer L. Alpha-lipoic acid supplementation prevents symptoms of vitamin E deficiency. Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 1994 Oct 14;204(1):98-104. 13. Roy S, Sen CK, Tritschler HJ, Packer L. Modulation of cellular reducing equivalent homeostasis by alpha-lipoic acid. Mechanisms and implications for diabetes and ischemic injury. Biochem Pharmacol. 1997 Feb 7;53(3):393-9. 14. Scholz RW, Reddy PV, Wynn MK, Graham KS, Liken AD, Gumpricht E, Reddy CC. Glutathione-dependent factors and inhibition of rat liver microsomal lipid peroxidation. Free Radic Biol Med. 1997;23(5):815-28. 15. Serbinova E, Khwaja S, Reznick AZ, Packer L. Thioctic acid protects against ischemia-reperfusion injury in the isolated perfused Langendorff heart. Free Radic Res Commun. 1992;17(1):49-58.16. Vasdev S, Ford CA, Parai S, Longerich L, Gadag V. Dietary alpha-lipoic acid supplementation lowers blood pressure in spontaneously hypertensive rats. J Hypertens. 2000 May;18(5):567-73. 17. Ziegler D, Gries FA. Alpha-lipoic acid in the treatment of diabetic peripheral and cardiac autonomic neuropathy. Diabetes. 1997 Sep;46 Suppl 2:S62-6.
 
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