Did Clinton ever have approval ratings as low as Bush?

[BigDyl]

why?

Because you can't do it.

 

[lnvanry]

Why?

2. reasons

First and foremost
1. Since I believe terrorism is real threat, (some people think its a scare tactic) we need a strong military to combat nation states that nuture, spawn, and promote it. Bush's Neocon ideal (mixed in with a little of neorealism) matches this. I agree with a 300billion dollar military budget. Yes I know the Saudi/UAE terrorists come from nation states that we don't have war w/. That's b/c the royal families there listen to what we request. Crazy dictators are crazy when there interests conflict w/ that of the US. I'm not a humanitarian nor am I war mongor. I prioritze for US safety not US approval.

The Iraq strategy does 2 objectives that I agree with...First it created a focul point for the terrorist to come to. There were no terrorists there before, but they are there now. Much better they focus their resources there than here. 2-Strategically look at the map of the middle east. look at our allies and where we occupy. now who is surrounded 360 degrees? Who is the new hot button threat? Do think this wasn't planned? Do think the IAEA just recently knew about the Persian prince?

2. Bush's economic plans are parallel to my success. i work for a company that recieved 10 year 286billion dollar contract through TRANSPORTATION EQUITY ACT.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050810-1.html


(FYI if your looking for work check out Peoria, IL) Yes, all employee stock split and has gone up almost 100% in less than 9months...thanks W! Mino, Myk this is one corporate HQ that will stay in the US forever...CAT Inc. in Peoria I drove up from HQ with some of the other young guns and got to meet him at our Aurora plant.





I'm not a conservative nutjob...I don't care about religious ideals, abortion, gay rights, .


Military and money...thats it.

 

[lnvanry]

That sounded really selfish....I not a bad guy, but I'm just looking out for my family...then the US. Everyone else mehhh

Sure its nice Sadaam isn't killing people...I didn't care to begin w/....most of us didn't. That's why were not in Sudan.

 

[busyLivin]

Well, now. . .Pat is one of those unofficial White House advisers, isn't he? And why bother with silly human-generated stats when we can have a television evangelist tell us what God says about the President?

I agree...Pat Robertson is pretty loony.

 

[BigDyl]

2. reasons

First and foremost
1. Since I believe terrorism is real threat, (some people think its a scare tactic) we need a strong military to combat nation states that nuture, spawn, and promote it. Bush's Neocon ideal (mixed in with a little of neorealism) matches this. I agree with a 300billion dollar military budget. Yes I know the Saudi/UAE terrorists come from nation states that we don't have war w/. That's b/c the royal families there listen to what we request. Crazy dictators are crazy when there interests conflict w/ that of the US. I'm not a humanitarian nor am I war mongor. I prioritze for US safety not US approval.

The Iraq strategy does 2 objectives that I agree with...First it created a focul point for the terrorist to come to. There were no terrorists there before, but they are there now. Much better they focus their resources there than here. 2-Strategically look at the map of the middle east. look at our allies and where we occupy. now who is surrounded 360 degrees? Who is the new hot button threat? Do think this wasn't planned? Do think the IAEA just recently knew about the Persian prince?

2. Bush's economic plans are parallel to my success. i work for a company that recieved 10 year 286billion dollar contract through TRANSPORTATION EQUITY ACT.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050810-1.html


(FYI if your looking for work check out Peoria, IL) Yes, all employee stock split and has gone up almost 100% in less than 9months...thanks W! Mino, Myk this is one corporate HQ that will stay in the US forever...CAT Inc. in Peoria I drove up from HQ with some of the other young guns and got to meet him at our Aurora plant.





I'm not a conservative nutjob...I don't care about religious ideals, abortion, gay rights, .


Military and money...thats it.

True Story...quote taken from book...


"If I were the president, I could stop all terrorism against the United States in a few days. Permanetly. I would first apologize-very publicly-and very sincerely-to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many of millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce to every corner of the world that America's global miltary interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union--but oddly enough--a foreign country. Then I would reduce the miltary budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings, invasions and sanctions. There would be more than enough money. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."

 

[min0 lee]

I'm not a conservative nutjob...I don't care about religious ideals, abortion, gay rights, .


Military and money...thats it.

I understand you now.

 

[lnvanry]

I understand you now.

 

[min0 lee]

No, no..I mean it in a good way.

 

[BigDyl]

PATHETIC!!! BANNED!!!

 

[busyLivin]

I'm not a conservative nutjob...I don't care about religious ideals, abortion .
.

 

[KelJu]

2. reasons

First and foremost
1. Since I believe terrorism is real threat, (some people think its a scare tactic) we need a strong military to combat nation states that nuture, spawn, and promote it. Bush's Neocon ideal (mixed in with a little of neorealism) matches this. I agree with a 300billion dollar military budget. Yes I know the Saudi/UAE terrorists come from nation states that we don't have war w/. That's b/c the royal families there listen to what we request. Crazy dictators are crazy when there interests conflict w/ that of the US. I'm not a humanitarian nor am I war mongor. I prioritze for US safety not US approval.

The Iraq strategy does 2 objectives that I agree with...First it created a focul point for the terrorist to come to. There were no terrorists there before, but they are there now. Much better they focus their resources there than here. 2-Strategically look at the map of the middle east. look at our allies and where we occupy. now who is surrounded 360 degrees? Who is the new hot button threat? Do think this wasn't planned? Do think the IAEA just recently knew about the Persian prince?

2. Bush's economic plans are parallel to my success. i work for a company that recieved 10 year 286billion dollar contract through TRANSPORTATION EQUITY ACT.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050810-1.html


(FYI if your looking for work check out Peoria, IL) Yes, all employee stock split and has gone up almost 100% in less than 9months...thanks W! Mino, Myk this is one corporate HQ that will stay in the US forever...CAT Inc. in Peoria I drove up from HQ with some of the other young guns and got to meet him at our Aurora plant.





I'm not a conservative nutjob...I don't care about religious ideals, abortion, gay rights, .


Military and money...thats it.

I have a plan. The US can stop sticking their fucking noise in the affairs of other countries, and the terrorists wouldn't attack us in the first place. When they stop attacking, the war would technically by over and we can stop all of this crybaby, shit in our pants, what if terrorists attack us, nonsense.

Notice the terrorists never attacked Australia, Canada, Netherlands, ect. Those countries are all free nations. If the terrorists hate our freedom so much, wouldn???t they have attacked all free nations and not just us?

But accepting the consequences for our own actions is too much to ask during these times. God fucking forbid someone have the balls to stand up and say, we shouldn't be trying to police an area of the globe that has been fighting with each other for thousands of years, and that is the reason we have religious/political nuts flying into our buildings.

 

[Dale Mabry]

2. reasons

First and foremost
1. Since I believe terrorism is real threat, (some people think its a scare tactic) we need a strong military to combat nation states that nuture, spawn, and promote it. Bush's Neocon ideal (mixed in with a little of neorealism) matches this. I agree with a 300billion dollar military budget. Yes I know the Saudi/UAE terrorists come from nation states that we don't have war w/. That's b/c the royal families there listen to what we request.

So let me get this correct...You support Bush because you think terrorism is a serious threat and it is a hot button issue for you. You see no problem that a majority of the terrorists come from countries that we are not currently at war with. The war is the war on terror, mind you. So, it is not at all a problem to you that these countries knowingly house the terrorists because the leaders of those countries listen to us? If they listened to us they wouldn't be housing terrorists, what it actually comes down to is money.

If you are tough on terror, you are tough on terror. It's not your tough on terror only with countries you don't have a vested interets in (Syria, Iran) but not with ones that have that green flowing this way (Saudi, UAE).

I don't know that you are a "right wingnut" or whatever the hell political hardliners call each other, but you are, to some extent, brainwashed. This war has as much to do with terror as it does with lincoln logs. If this war were on terrorism, North Korea and Iran would no longer exist and they would be speaking English solely and praising Jesus in Saudi Arabia.

 

[lnvanry]

I have a plan. The US can stop sticking their fucking noise in the affairs of other countries, and the terrorists wouldn't attack us in the first place. When they stop attacking, the war would technically by over and we can stop all of this crybaby, shit in our pants, what if terrorists attack us, nonsense.

Notice the terrorists never attacked Australia, Canada, Netherlands, ect. Those countries are all free nations. If the terrorists hate our freedom so much, wouldn???t they have attacked all free nations and not just us?

But accepting the consequences for our own actions is too much to ask during these times. God fucking forbid someone have the balls to stand up and say, we shouldn't be trying to police an area of the globe that has been fighting with each other for thousands of years, and that is the reason we have religious/political nuts flying into our buildings.

The Netherlands primere celebrity (Vincent Van Gogh's grandson Theo) was murdered by crazy muslims, b/c he made a film that portrayed Islamic society in a negative way.

Australia recently thwarted an Islamic terrorist attack...Aussie men began beating random Arabs after the anouncement.

 

[Dale Mabry]

The Netherlands primere celebrity (Vincent Van Gogh's grandson Theo) was murdered by crazy muslims, b/c he made a film that portrayed Islamic society in a negative way.

Australia recently thwarted an Islamic terrorist attack...Aussie men began beating random Arabs after the anouncement.

I don't get this laissez-faire attitude that people get towards terrorism. Those fucking nutjobs got squirrelly over a cartoon and want to kill one of their own for converting to christianity. The only reason I can see that these fuckwads would get upset over something like that is because they have nothing else to bitch about. Not to mention what they did to Doc in the first Back to the Future movie.

 

[lnvanry]

I don't get this laissez-faire attitude that people get towards terrorism. Those fucking nutjobs got squirrelly over a cartoon and want to kill one of their own for converting to christianity. The only reason I can see that these fuckwads would get upset over something like that is because they have nothing else to bitch about. Not to mention what they did to Doc in the first Back to the Future movie.

i think its almost impossible for us to comprehend...maybe some degree of understanding at best. Many Muslims just don't think in manner that is comprehensible to most of us.

 

[Dale Mabry]

i think its almost impossible for us to comprehend...maybe some degree of understanding at best. Many Muslims just don't think in manner that is comprehensible to most of us.

I know, it boggles the mind.

 

[CowPimp]

i think its almost impossible for us to comprehend...maybe some degree of understanding at best. Many Muslims just don't think in manner that is comprehensible to most of us.

Yeah, and there are a lot of fundamentalist Christians who think in ways that are incomprehensible to most of us. The media just portrays Muslims like they're all a bunch of whack jobs, which is far from the truth. Are there whack job Muslim extremists? Hell yes there are. By the same token, there are money-driven, greedy, faux-Christian running rampant in our government that no one really seems to give two shits about because they don't fall under the umbrella of your typical brown skin terrorist.

 

[lnvanry]

I think being being successful or corrupt (whichever) is a little different than strapping C-4 to your chest and walking into a mall.

 

[ALBOB]

Yeah, and there are a lot of fundamentalist Christians who think in ways that are incomprehensible to most of us. The media just portrays Muslims like they're all a bunch of whack jobs, which is far from the truth. Are there whack job Muslim extremists? Hell yes there are. By the same token, there are money-driven, greedy, faux-Christian running rampant in our government that no one really seems to give two shits about because they don't fall under the umbrella of your typical brown skin terrorist.

And this has WHAT to do with WHAT?

Every group, religious or otherwise, has it's share of nutjobs. Wow, alert the media. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. But, when did fundamentalist Christians start flying airplanes into skyscrapers? Bombing embasies? Assassinating political leaders? Kidnapping innocent civilians and chopping their heads off? Etc., etc., etc............Trying to justify acts of terrorism by a LARGE group of Muslims by saying "well, there's whacko Christians too" is a bit absurd. No, it's more than a BIT absurd, it's completely rediculous.

 

[Dale Mabry]

And this has WHAT to do with WHAT?

Every group, religious or otherwise, has it's share of nutjobs. Wow, alert the media. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. But, when did fundamentalist Christians start flying airplanes into skyscrapers? Bombing embasies? Assassinating political leaders? Kidnapping innocent civilians and chopping their heads off? Etc., etc., etc............Trying to justify acts of terrorism by a LARGE group of Muslims by saying "well, there's whacko Christians too" is a bit absurd. No, it's more than a BIT absurd, it's completely rediculous.

Timothy McVeigh and the nutjobs that terrorize the abortion clinics come to mind. I agree, there are much more nutjobs in some religions than others, and it seems apparent to me that the Muslims seem to have the market cornered.

 

[ALBOB]

Timothy McVeigh and the nutjobs that terrorize the abortion clinics come to mind. I agree, there are much more nutjobs in some religions than others, and it seems apparent to me that the Muslims seem to have the market cornered.

Timothy McVeigh did not commit his act of terrorism in the name of Christianity. He was disgruntled with the U.S. government and struck out at it.

As far as I remember, there has been one abortion clinic bombing and one doctor who performed abortions assassinated. Both atrocities, I'll admit, but hardly to the scale of what's being perpetrated by the Muslims.

True, not ALL Muslims are involved in these acts of terrorism. But the ones that aren't certainly aren't speaking out against the "nutjobs". This falls under the heading of "If you're not for us, you're against us."

 

[Steele20]

So let me get this correct...You support Bush because you think terrorism is a serious threat and it is a hot button issue for you.

Umm not sure if you know this but when terrorist take over a few planes and murder thousands, it is a serious threat.

 

[Dale Mabry]

True, not ALL Muslims are involved in these acts of terrorism. But the ones that aren't certainly aren't speaking out against the "nutjobs". This falls under the heading of "If you're not for us, you're against us."

Unless you are the Saudi family.

 

[Steele20]

I have a plan. The US can stop sticking their fucking noise in the affairs of other countries, and the terrorists wouldn't attack us in the first place. When they stop attacking, the war would technically by over and we can stop all of this crybaby, shit in our pants, what if terrorists attack us, nonsense.

Notice the terrorists never attacked Australia, Canada, Netherlands, ect. Those countries are all free nations. If the terrorists hate our freedom so much, wouldn???t they have attacked all free nations and not just us?

But accepting the consequences for our own actions is too much to ask during these times. God fucking forbid someone have the balls to stand up and say, we shouldn't be trying to police an area of the globe that has been fighting with each other for thousands of years, and that is the reason we have religious/political nuts flying into our buildings.

I agree with this guy, Fuck the future of the world and it's people. After all we wont be here.

 

[KelJu]

And this has WHAT to do with WHAT?

Every group, religious or otherwise, has it's share of nutjobs. Wow, alert the media. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. But, when did fundamentalist Christians start flying airplanes into skyscrapers? Bombing embasies? Assassinating political leaders? Kidnapping innocent civilians and chopping their heads off? Etc., etc., etc............Trying to justify acts of terrorism by a LARGE group of Muslims by saying "well, there's whacko Christians too" is a bit absurd. No, it's more than a BIT absurd, it's completely rediculous.

No, but they bomb the fuck out of abortion clinics here in Alabama, because those people didn't agree with the Christian fundamentalist. I see no difference in bombing trade centers, and bombing abortion clinics other than the scale of the attack.
Abortion clinic bomber = terrorist
Trade center bomber = terrorist
Both are seeking social change through scare tactics and fear.
At least that is how I see it.
But, the media would never spin it that way. Don't get me wrong, if I had to choose between Muslim extremists and Christian extremist, I would pick Christian all day long. They seem more stable than the Muslim???s do.
I was a raised southern Baptist and was 100% Christian until I reached the age of reason, so I totally understand how the Christian fundies think and how they feel that it is their duty from god to save all of us sinners Bla Bla .....
But, I have never been apart of the Muslim faith, so I just don't have as much understanding of their motivations. I would assume that their motivations are close to the same. Either they are supposed to save us from hell by killing us, or they are supposed to save the rest of the world by killing us. Either way they see us as the infidels, so we are fucked.
I would just like to leave them alone and maybe they will forget about us. I can???t see us ever winning against terrorists. What are we going to do, destroy every last trace of Arab countries? If we occupy Iraq, then they all go to Iran, if we occupy Iran, if we occupy Iran they will run again. They are not stupid, but we are if we think we can wipe out the Taliban just by occupying Iraq.

 

[Decker]

Are all of these crazed muslims terrorists? No but they do kill over cartoons. That's why we are better than them.

The 'flypaper' rationale for the Iraq war is beyond the pale. We are fighting Iraqis that want us out of Iraq. Sure there's a few terrorists but so what. Tell Spain and England about 'fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here.' It's pure fiction.

The difference btn our religious crazies and the muslim crazies is that we can ignore our nutjobs. The muslim religious whack jobs do beheadings for homosexuality, stealing and seeing the body of a woman unclothed. Stoning, cutting out tongues etc are viable options for these loons.

Here, we just change the channel.

 

[ALBOB]

No, but they bomb the fuck out of abortion clinics here in Alabama, because those people didn't agree with the Christian fundamentalist. I see no difference in bombing trade centers, and bombing abortion clinics other than the scale of the attack.
Abortion clinic bomber = terrorist
Trade center bomber = terrorist
Both are seeking social change through scare tactics and fear.
At least that is how I see it.
But, the media would never spin it that way. Don't get me wrong, if I had to choose between Muslim extremists and Christian extremist, I would pick Christian all day long. They seem more stable than the Muslim???s do.
I was a raised southern Baptist and was 100% Christian until I reached the age of reason, so I totally understand how the Christian fundies think and how they feel that it is their duty from god to save all of us sinners Bla Bla .....
But, I have never been apart of the Muslim faith, so I just don't have as much understanding of their motivations. I would assume that their motivations are close to the same. Either they are supposed to save us from hell by killing us, or they are supposed to save the rest of the world by killing us. Either way they see us as the infidels, so we are fucked.
I would just like to leave them alone and maybe they will forget about us. I can???t see us ever winning against terrorists. What are we going to do, destroy every last trace of Arab countries? If we occupy Iraq, then they all go to Iran, if we occupy Iran, if we occupy Iran they will run again. They are not stupid, but we are if we think we can wipe out the Taliban just by occupying Iraq.

I think you and I just said the same thing.


Although I'm going to give myself credit for being more eloquent.

 

[brogers]

True Story...quote taken from book...


"If I were the president, I could stop all terrorism against the United States in a few days. Permanetly. I would first apologize-very publicly-and very sincerely-to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many of millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce to every corner of the world that America's global miltary interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union--but oddly enough--a foreign country. Then I would reduce the miltary budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings, invasions and sanctions. There would be more than enough money. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."

Yeah I'm sure the terrorists would start singing kumbya along with that moron. Get real.

Sounds like a great plan.. surrender, make ourseleves defenseless, then give away our money. Liberalism rocks.

 

[ALBOB]

Yeah I'm sure the terrorists would start singing kumbya along with that moron. Get real.

Sounds like a great plan.. surrender, make ourseleves defenseless, then give away our money. Liberalism rocks.

Actually I think it's a great plan. Well, the fourth day anyway.

 

[brogers]

No, but they bomb the fuck out of abortion clinics here in Alabama, because those people didn't agree with the Christian fundamentalist. I see no difference in bombing trade centers, and bombing abortion clinics other than the scale of the attack.
Abortion clinic bomber = terrorist
Trade center bomber = terrorist
Both are seeking social change through scare tactics and fear.
At least that is how I see it.
But, the media would never spin it that way. Don't get me wrong, if I had to choose between Muslim extremists and Christian extremist, I would pick Christian all day long. They seem more stable than the Muslim???s do.
I was a raised southern Baptist and was 100% Christian until I reached the age of reason, so I totally understand how the Christian fundies think and how they feel that it is their duty from god to save all of us sinners Bla Bla .....
But, I have never been apart of the Muslim faith, so I just don't have as much understanding of their motivations. I would assume that their motivations are close to the same. Either they are supposed to save us from hell by killing us, or they are supposed to save the rest of the world by killing us. Either way they see us as the infidels, so we are fucked.
I would just like to leave them alone and maybe they will forget about us. I can???t see us ever winning against terrorists. What are we going to do, destroy every last trace of Arab countries? If we occupy Iraq, then they all go to Iran, if we occupy Iran, if we occupy Iran they will run again. They are not stupid, but we are if we think we can wipe out the Taliban just by occupying Iraq.

Someone who bombed an abortion clinic, or killed an abortion practioner is a vastly different situation than these suicide attacks being carried out slaughtering civilians.

One person is in his mind defending the innocent by killing someone whom he believes (and a good portion of this country believes) is murdering a defenseless unborn child.

The other is attempting to murder as many innocent lives as possible, and these victims have nothing to do with whatever problem the psychos have with that country.

Obviously there are better ways to solve both issues, but the scale and how the attack is directed is vastly different and not at all worthy of comparison