dmz stack

[heavyiron]

fair enough. dimethazine isn't a mass builder like superdrol, or pheraplex, it's a/a ratio is ideal for a compound used for lean mass gains.

it is all dependant on goals, but overall, dimethazine isn't a very powerful steroid in my opinion, and I have used it, twice, once solo, and the second time stacked with max lmg.

it was better stacked with an aromatizable compound.

Actually there are various studies on dimethazine that show it is quite powerful.

Comparisons with methyltest, winny, anadrol and test prop showed better mytropic effect on the castrates with Dimethazine.

Biological activity of dimethazine in the protein-anabolic field.

Matscher, R.; Lupo, C.; De, P. Ruggieri. Lab. Ric. Ormonoter. Richter, Milan, Bollettino - Societa Italiana di Biologia Sperimentale (1962), 38 988-90. CODEN: BSIBAC ISSN: 0037-8771. Journal language unavailable. CAN 58:34623 AN 1963:34623 CAPLUS

Abstract

Dimethazine (I), 2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3'-azine, was compared to methyltestosterone, oxymethalone, androstanazole and testosterone propionate in its protein-anabolic activity. The tests were made on castrated rats with a single hypodermic injection of 250 , on young male and female rats with increasing daily oral doses from 100 to 1000 for 30 days, and on adult male rats with daily oral doses of 1000 for 25 days. It was shown that I did not interfere with the growth of young animals; that adult rats treated with I gained, on an av., 20 g. more in wt. than the controls; and that I had a greater myotropic effect on castrates than the other steroids, and induced a higher N retention than methyltestosterone in adult males.

 

[Arnold]

I am currently on about 600mg/week of Test Cyp and 30mg of Super-DMZ Rx and LOVING it, although I did just start the DMZ on Monday, but I am already noticing muscle hardness and strength in this very short time.

 

[klc9100]

I am currently on about 600mg/week of Test Cyp and 30mg of Super-DMZ Rx and LOVING it, although I did just start the DMZ on Monday, but I am already noticing muscle hardness and strength in this very short time.

i'm on about the same thing. 600mg test & 20mg of dmz. i'm getting some headaches since starting the dmz, but they're not too bad.

taking 30mg, how do you space out your dose?

 

[eastwoodmuscle]

Actually there are various studies on dimethazine that show it is quite powerful.

Comparisons with methyltest, winny, anadrol and test prop showed better mytropic effect on the castrates with Dimethazine.

Biological activity of dimethazine in the protein-anabolic field.

Matscher, R.; Lupo, C.; De, P. Ruggieri. Lab. Ric. Ormonoter. Richter, Milan, Bollettino - Societa Italiana di Biologia Sperimentale (1962), 38 988-90. CODEN: BSIBAC ISSN: 0037-8771. Journal language unavailable. CAN 58:34623 AN 1963:34623 CAPLUS

Abstract

Dimethazine (I), 2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3'-azine, was compared to methyltestosterone, oxymethalone, androstanazole and testosterone propionate in its protein-anabolic activity. The tests were made on castrated rats with a single hypodermic injection of 250 , on young male and female rats with increasing daily oral doses from 100 to 1000 for 30 days, and on adult male rats with daily oral doses of 1000 for 25 days. It was shown that I did not interfere with the growth of young animals; that adult rats treated with I gained, on an av., 20 g. more in wt. than the controls; and that I had a greater myotropic effect on castrates than the other steroids, and induced a higher N retention than methyltestosterone in adult males.

thats right if one were to look at the actual data from that study, im sure it would be quite similar to this:

done on rats, using methyl testosterone as it's standard.

now if you look at the androgenic/anabolic ratio it comes out to 95/210, so on paper it looks to be 95 times more androgenic than methyl testosterone, and 210 times more anabolic than methyl test.

superdrol is 20/400.

the nitrogen bond changes the compound greatly increasing it's androgenicity, and lowering it's anabolic (muscle building) effects.

but my comments weren't entirely formulated on the studies done on the compound, they were formed also from my experience of running it twice in the past. once solo at 30mg e/d, the second time stacked with max lmg.

im not saying it isn't a potent lean muscle building steroid, but compared to other compounds such as methyldrostanolone, or methyl 1 tesosterone, it is a mild anabolic compound.

running it with an aromatizable compound is the best way to run it. it will def help decrease the harshness of the compound.

 

[heavyiron]

thats right if one were to look at the actual data from that study, im sure it would be quite similar to this:

done on rats, using methyl testosterone as it's standard.

now if you look at the androgenic/anabolic ratio it comes out to 95/210, so on paper it looks to be 95 times more androgenic than methyl testosterone, and 210 times more anabolic than methyl test.

superdrol is 20/400.

the nitrogen bond changes the compound greatly increasing it's androgenicity, and lowering it's anabolic (muscle building) effects.

but my comments weren't entirely formulated on the studies done on the compound, they were formed also from my experience of running it twice in the past. once solo at 30mg e/d, the second time stacked with max lmg.

im not saying it isn't a potent lean muscle building steroid, but compared to other compounds such as methyldrostanolone, or methyl 1 tesosterone, it is a mild anabolic compound.

running it with an aromatizable compound is the best way to run it. it will def help decrease the harshness of the compound.

Since Dimethazine is basically 2 superdrol molecules that are joined by an azine bond that is hydrolyzed by gastric acid once ingested thus releasing the SD molecules it is interesting that the assays differ so much. I asked Patrick Arnold why he thought this was. His response was that the assays were likely done by 2 different parties at different times and may have been incorrectly measured decades ago so I am not sure I would build a case on the assays. However the study I posted clearly shows Dimethazine out performed methyltest, winny, anadrol and test prop.

 

[eastwoodmuscle]

that data is from the data vida collected. and it is showing it is stronger than methyl testosterone.

the administration was done via injection, where oral administration will cause a different effect, possibly weakening the steroid.

as you have stated with the reaction that takes place in the stomach, different metabolites will be formed in the gastric acids than when injected into the neutral ph of the muscle/blood. and the nitrogen bond isn't removed in the stomach, leaving free flowing methyldrostanolone either, a different steroid is formed, and since there is no data on the metabolite formed d/t oral administration, one can only speculate.

the hydrolyzation as to what it does to the compound is not known, but according to most of the data I've read, oral administration will typically weaken the steroid, vs injecting it.

in my opinion, the data shows both injectable administered dimethazine, and oral administered dimethazine to be a mild anabolic though.

and I feel it's low anabolic rataing, along with it's higher androgenic rating is what causes alot of un wanted side effects from this compound, such as head aches, or post cycle sickness d/t a lowered immune system.

im not saying dont use it, im saying be goal specific, and know what will go along with running the compound as it is used for those goals.

 

[heavyiron]

This seems to support a lower androgenic effect which would mean less androgenic sides.

A new steroid with protein anabolic activity: dimethazine.

De Ruggieri, P.; Matscher, R.; Gandolfi, C.; Chiaramonti, D.; Lupo, C.; Pietra, E.; Cavalli, R. Ormonoterap. Richter, Milan, Archivio di Scienze Biologiche (Bologna) (1963), 47(1), 1-19. CODEN: ASBIAL ISSN: 0004-0169. Journal language unavailable. CAN 60:46973 AN 1964:46973 CAPLUS

Abstract

Dimethazine (I) was evaluated for the following biol. activities: androgenic, N retaining, P retaining, and Ca retaining. The increase in uptake of -aminoisobutyric acid-1-14C and the increase in body wt. were also investigated. Data obtained, tabulated, and compared to those obtained with methyltestosterone established that I is a protein anabolic steroid with weak androgenic activity.

 

[Arnold]

i'm on about the same thing. 600mg test & 20mg of dmz. i'm getting some headaches since starting the dmz, but they're not too bad.

taking 30mg, how do you space out your dose?

1 cap morning, mid-day, and night.

 

[MrRockstar]

I didnt run mine with test, I bought enough for 2 cycles at 40 mg a day, my next cycle will probably just be 30 mgs a day stacked with test.

 

[dcodella]

can I do 20mg dmz stack it with dhea?

 

[henryv]

...using methyl testosterone as it's standard.

now if you look at the androgenic/anabolic ratio it comes out to 95/210, so on paper it looks to be 95 times more androgenic than methyl testosterone, and 210 times more anabolic than methyl test.

Not 95 times as androgenic, 95% as androgenic (almost as androgenic as MT), and 210% as anabolic (just over twice as anabolic). The standard (in this case MT) is always considered to be 100/100 (since it's the basis of comparison).

 

[eastwoodmuscle]

ah, i see, ty for clearing that up for me.

 

[heavyiron]

Not 95 times as androgenic, 95% as androgenic (almost as androgenic as MT), and 210% as anabolic (just over twice as anabolic). The standard (in this case MT) is always considered to be 100/100 (since it's the basis of comparison).

By the way, for anyone who does not know henryv. He is a very bright guy with tons of PH and DS knowledge.