Does anyone else feel like there addicted to steroids

[Just a guy]

do ya?

 

[plouffe]

I've never takin steroids -- But I could imagine if I were to get amazing results by taking them ( along with proper diet and training ) Yes, I'd say I would be somewhat addicted to steroids.

 

[bandaidwoman]

Comment in:
JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2048-9.

Hooked on hormones? An anabolic steroid addiction hypothesis.

Kashkin KB, Kleber HD.

Substance Abuse Treatment Unit, Connecticut Mental Health Center, New Haven.

Widespread illicit anabolic steroid use has recently been reported. A review of available evidence suggests that elevations of serum levels of steroid hormones, including anabolic steroids, have profound psychological effects. Long-term, high-dose anabolic steroid use may lead to a preoccupation with drug use, difficulty stopping despite psychological side effects, and drug craving. Reductions in serum levels of steroid hormones appear to result in acute hyperadrenergic withdrawal symptoms that respond to steroid replacement or to agents that also ameliorate withdrawal symptoms in alcohol and opioid dependence. A delayed depression syndrome when serum steroid levels drop precipitously has been reported that appears similar to that observed in withdrawing cocaine-dependent individuals. We conclude that a proportion of anabolic steroid abusers may develop a previously unrecognized sex steroid hormone-dependence disorder and that treatment should be based on research into steroid effects on opioid and aminergic neurotransmission systems and relapse prevention.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial

PMID: 2681859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Just some info.

 

[QuestionGuy]

damn, bandaid woman has always these smart answers for us aon whatever it is.... lol, hang around here ok ?

 

[MeatheadSam]

Originally posted by plouffe
I've never takin steroids -- But I could imagine if I were to get amazing results by taking them ( along with proper diet and training ) Yes, I'd say I would be somewhat addicted to steroids.

My fear of addiction to their results was what always kept me from using. I also fear the health risks but it is the extraordinary growth that would probably hook me.

 

[plouffe]

Originally posted by QuestionGuy
damn, bandaid woman has always these smart answers for us aon whatever it is.... lol, hang around here ok ?

Amen.

 

[Mudge]

Almost any drug can be a 'gateway drug,' certainly steroids are no exception. Some people have lost thier lives going onto other things after starting with gear, and it gets some people over thier fear of needles, opening the door for things like heroin for anyone stupid enough.

What Sam said is a good thing for anyone to think about, if you dont think you can control yourself or would rather not open the door, then dont.

 

[Power Rabbit]

Just make sure your cheap...when your tight fisted with your cash its alittle harder for addiction to take hold..

 

[Mudge]

I am cheap. I spend money effectively to get what I want.

 

[BUSTINOUT]

Nope never felt addicted. I contemplated long and hard before my first injection back in 1990. Been clean for nearly 2 years now and when I do go back on, it will be for specific reasons...not addiction.

 

[maddog1]

Originally posted by Just a guy
do ya?

If you do, you need to address some deep rooted issues beyond health and fitness.

 

[Flex]

not addicted (...yet), but already stocked up for the future......

 

[Arnold]

I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count?

 

[Flex]

Originally posted by Prince
I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count?

well hey, at least its not crack

i dont think ph's will kill ya bud.........we all wanna take whatever will get us the best physique we can have. plus, ph's are roids, so thats good......

 

[maddog1]

This is why Just a Guy needs to get off steroids. He is just a High School kid (That can't seem to graduate high school). This kid is the poster boy for when the President says steroids are bad for America's youth.

Just a Guy - You need to turn yourself into a school counselor, a friendly cop (dg is down your way - I'm sure he can get you some help.)

 

[maddog1]

On the flipside - to responsible AAS users, this kid is a train wreck waiting to happen and when it does, the parents will undoubtedly find the steroids and blame it on them. Maybe they'll find this site cookied on his machine, access his account and see that people have been giving him advice and come after the site or its owner.

 

[Just a guy]

Fucker... are u still talkin? Man i want to run in 2 u one day... Because honestly you sound like a Weak peice of shit... I get lab tests done EVERY month... im healthy as a horse... i will GLADLY whoop ur ass... Responsible AAS user.... son of a bitch.. thats what i try to be.. im using every protectant i can get my hands on... I go to the doc if one thing messes up... but u know what the doc said to me.... Your on roids?? I see your big and everything but your Cholesterol and everything is in normal range.... So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh

 

[Just a guy]

So when i said addicted... do u think i start shaking and going into DT's because i havent had a shot today? No im addicted to the sense that i like the gains i''ve been getting... and dont want them to stop... train wreck?? by far that is what im not.... Yes i ask fellow Roiders if they have had a certain problem that i have had so maybe i dont have to go to the doc... all im doin is tryin to be safe and ask questions... i dont like being pissed off... because i embarass my self when im pissed.. and/or i go to jail...

So maddog... if u ever see a thread of mine... or anything where im tryin to get other Roiders opinions on something DONT PUT MY NAME IN UR MOUTH...

See now if mudge said i was a train wreck.. i would KNOW something is wrong because he knows his shit... but u my man.. dont know nothing...

 

[plouffe]

hehe. :bounce:

 

[MarcusMaximus]

[b
Comment in:
JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2048-9.

Hooked on hormones? An anabolic steroid addiction hypothesis.

Kashkin KB, Kleber HD.

Substance Abuse Treatment Unit, Connecticut Mental Health Center, New Haven.

1. Widespread illicit anabolic steroid.......
2. Long-term, high-dose anabolic steroid use MAY lead to a preoccupation with drug use, difficulty stopping despite psychological side effects, and drug craving.
3. A delayed depression syndrome when serum steroid levels drop PRECIPITOUSLY has been reported that appears similar to that observed in withdrawing cocaine-dependent individuals.

4 We conclude that a PROPORTION of anabolic steroid abusers may develop a previously unrecognized sex steroid hormone-dependence disorder and that treatment should be based on research into steroid effects on opioid and aminergic neurotransmission systems and relapse prevention.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial

PMID: 2681859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Originally posted by bandaidwoman [/b]
Just some info.

This is not directed to bandaid woman. merely to point out that there are some flaws in that particular article that many of you have noticed.

1. Define widespread,
2 the waffle word "may" is very interesting. anyone involved with politics will know the contextual meaning of "waffle" . it use limits the impact of whatever comes after. this way, the authors or politician has his/her ass covered whenever something goes amiss from the hyposthesis.
3 Define what proportion falls under that category.
4. Seems what they did was STOP IMMEDIATELY with no tapering. not a very intelligent method and this type of study is designed specifically to prove a PRE HOC hypothesis.
As this is an abstract from an JAMA archive, i will go through my own refereneces. I can't see how this alleged proportion be any higher or lower than the percentage of people who get hooked on other drugs prescribed by medical prac.

comparing steroid use to cocaine is a specious argument. This again, simply plays to the public fear ( unfounded ) that steroid use goes hand and hand with cocaine use. it may happen that the two coincide in a certain percentage of the population yet it would appear more likely that steroid DEALERS also deal cocaine. So the gateway drug may be AAS but not for the user but for the dealer.

People who are unable to control their anger have that anger amplified while on does of steroids that result in supra-physiological level of androgen hormones. I think that one of the posters in this thread has succinctly shown that point quite well!

 

[maddog1]

Originally posted by Just a guy
So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh

Please come and get me.

What have I accomplished... By getting you to prove for me that you are a lunatic on steroids. Good work.

 

[maddog1]

If you are going to hang out on these boards, you should change your handle to "Just a Kid" so that people won't give you advice.

If you look at my other posts, I said I was concerned for you.
Then to find out that you are a teenager, makes me realize that you are in worse shape than I thought you were in.
You need help and you need it quickly.
I you take that as an insult then you must be in denial.

 

[Just a guy]

How do u know i need help? u have never met me... i have always been like this... im not a LUNATIC on steroids... im prolly a lunatic anywayz.... Your are not tryin to act concerned.. your tryin to act like an ass... everyone of your post are very critical and not "Suporting", but im 19 bout to be 20... so im old enough... im already supposed to be in my 2nd year of college... SO maddog... kiss my ass... Dont try to act like the nice guy...

 

[plouffe]

You need help and you need it quickly. - I wouldn't go that far.. It's not that detrimental to his health.

 

[Just a guy]

and by the way maddog... i dont live with my parents.. So why would they have anything to do with this... Im not a fuckin youngin.... I do my own shit.. make my own decisions... now get your ass in a gym and start lifting like a man and quit actin like a pussy... and quit judging...

 

[Just a guy]

exactly... i mite be a little aggressive but i dont need a straight jacket

 

[maddog1]

Originally posted by Just a guy
How do u know i need help? u have never met me... i have always been like this... im not a LUNATIC on steroids... im prolly a lunatic anywayz....

Anyone who threatens people and wants to hurt others (You said in your other thread) needs a check-up from the neck-up.

The point is you obviously have problems with anger - if you have been in and out of jail. As you can see, this may have played a roll in your not graduating high school on time - only you know.

The steroids only make this worse and that is the point with you.

Giving steroids to you is like giving a drink to an alcoholic.

 

[Just a guy]

cuz... You know WHY i went to jail?? Pieces of shit like you.. that have NO IDEA what they are talking about.. and try to tell me what 2 do... and talk to me like im some kind of dog.. Listin man.. I dont like being belittled.. im not ignorant... You my man have bitch in your blood.. The only person i gave a threat to.. WAS YOU BITCH... I said i FELT anger towards people but i KNOW that would be fullish of me to act on those feelings to someone undeserving... u would deserve every bit of it... If i could.. and God i WISH i could.. i would jump though your PC screen and beat the shit out of you with your mouse... u know why.. BECAUSE YOU DESERVE IT... Because your a sarcastic know it all that dont know shit.. ironically... MUDGE PLEASE CLOSE ALL OF THESE POSTS... this is starting to get stupid... You sound like my fiance' man... bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch ALL DAY LONG

 

[bandaidwoman]

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
This is not directed to bandaid woman. merely to point out that there are some flaws in that particular article that many of you have noticed.

1. Define widespread,
2 the waffle word "may" is very interesting. anyone involved with politics will know the contextual meaning of "waffle" . it use limits the impact of whatever comes after. this way, the authors or politician has his/her ass covered whenever something goes amiss from the hyposthesis.
3 Define what proportion falls under that category.
4. Seems what they did was STOP IMMEDIATELY with no tapering. not a very intelligent method and this type of study is designed specifically to prove a PRE HOC hypothesis.
As this is an abstract from an JAMA archive, i will go through my own refereneces. I can't see how this alleged proportion be any higher or lower than the percentage of people who get hooked on other drugs prescribed by medical prac.

comparing steroid use to cocaine is a specious argument. This again, simply plays to the public fear ( unfounded ) that steroid use goes hand and hand with cocaine use. it may happen that the two coincide in a certain percentage of the population yet it would appear more likely that steroid DEALERS also deal cocaine. So the gateway drug may be AAS but not for the user but for the dealer.

People who are unable to control their anger have that anger amplified while on does of steroids that result in supra-physiological level of androgen hormones. I think that one of the posters in this thread has succinctly shown that point quite well!

These are excellent points and questions:

Define widespread:

The prevalence of anabolic steroid use has been reported in several populations. The highest estimates have come from male bodybuilders (of course) and have ranged from 38% to 55%. (Tricker R, O'Neill MR, Cook D. The incidence of anabolic steroid use among competitive bodybuilders. J Drug Educ. 1989;19:313-325.
Lindstrom M, Nilsson AL, Katzman PL, Janzon L, Dymling JF. Use of anabolic-androgenic steroids among body builders -- frequency and attitudes. J Intern Med. 1990;227:407-411.)

Lower rates have been reported among intercollegiate athletes, ranging from 15% to 20%.( Dezelsky TL, Toohey JV, Shaw RS. Non-medical drug use behaviour at five United States universities: a 15-year study. Bull Narc. 1985;37:49-53.)

By contrast, only 1% of nonathletic university student counterparts reported anabolic steroid use.(Newman M. Michigan Consortium of Schools Student Survey. Minneapolis, Hazelden Research Services, 1986.
and Windsor R, Dumitru D. Prevalence of anabolic steroid use by male and female adolescents. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1989;21:494-497)

Also, there is a rather high rate of anabolic steroid use among high school students. The typical rate reported in male students is between 5% and 6%, but rates as high as 11% have been reported.(Yesalis CE, Streit AL, Vicary JR, Friedl KE, Brannon D, Buckley W. Anabolic steroid use: indications of habituation among adolescents. J Drug Educ. 1989;19:103-116.()

Of course, most physicians would rather have anabolic steroid use than cocaine use.

The waffle word "may" is very interesting. anyone involved with politics will know the contextual meaning of "waffle" . it use limits the impact of whatever comes after. this way, the authors or politician has his/her ass covered whenever something goes amiss from the hyposthesis.

No, researchers are honest and make no grand conclusions about what their hypothesis means.(unlike the media) Using may and probably, they are being honest and accurate in what they are suggesting...and the paper was clear about using the word hypothesis.

. Seems what they did was STOP IMMEDIATELY with no tapering. not a very intelligent method and this type of study is designed specifically to prove a PRE HOC hypothesis.

Actually, many of the participants were allowed to stop or continue based on their normal usage patterns.

can't see how this alleged proportion be any higher or lower than the percentage of people who get hooked on other drugs prescribed by medical prac.

This is not a comparison, just pointing out that steroids are not completely free of addictive potential and that some people are vulnerable to steroid addiction and that it should not be discounted. In much the same way, the psychiatric establishment has concluded that steroid rage behavior does not occur in the average user except in those that are already psychiatrically predisposed ie: antipersonality disorder, short fuse syndromes etc. As you stated, compared to other drugs, the addiction rate is definately not as high.

comparing steroid use to cocaine is a specious argument. This again, simply plays to the public fear ( unfounded ) that steroid use goes hand and hand with cocaine use.

I agree.

This is another article that looked at self reported potential for addiction by anabolic hormone users using a very strict DSMIIR criteria.

The potential for addiction to the AASs has been investigated. In interviews with 49 AAS users, at least 1 DSM-III-R symptom of dependence was reported by 94% of the sample, while 3 or more symptoms were reported by 57% of the sample. The authors concluded that AASs are not free from potential addictive behavior and suggested that dissatisfaction with body size and increases in size and strength obtained with AASs may lead to patterns of dependent use.

{Yates WR, Perry PJ, MacIndoe J, et al. Psychosexual effects of three doses of testosterone cycling in normal men. Biol Psychiatry. 1999;45:254-260. }


Sorry, these were hard copies I had in my office, so no internet links.

 

[Just a guy]

wow..., nice