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First of all, you are not nearly capable of inflicting any bodily harm to me.
Second of all, I'm not going anywhere and your request to close the thread shows your weakness.
Hunt me down. You are a wiz kid with a computer, so you should be able to.
I'll give you a few days to fail at that and then I'll PM you with my address so you can drive up and get the surprise of your life.
You are a fucking WIMP LOSER.
 
ohh what happen mister calm... looks like a struck a nerve... cuz im capable of putting your fat ass on the ground and pissing on you... what are you like 250?? aint shit cuz.. when i was at 245 i was benching WAY less than what i am now... There's no possible way i could find out where you live.. im not a wiz kid on a comp.... but listin to me mad... If we ever met.. you would be feel VERY uncomfortable with me around... trust me... knocked fuckers out that were 270 nothin but fat.. and thought they were big... aint shit too me cuz...
 
but thats not a threat my man... no possible way we would ever meet... so lets just end this... starting to get ugly...

Here... i'll be the man about the situation... Truce... u can accept it.. or not.. i dont give a shit... but im going to quit posting towards you... because its going nowhere... and mods are angry
 
Originally posted by bandaidwoman
These are excellent points and questions:

...range of use 1% - (low extreme ) to 48%+ ( high extreme )....

Of course, most physicians would rather have anabolic steroid use than cocaine use.

MM - The use of the word widespread was not defined in that abstract. Researchers, as scientists should choose their words carefully as it could be infered that widespread meant in the general public. out of 300 000 000 peopl in the USA and 40 000 000 in Canada, i would expect the incidence of AAS use to be between 0.01% and 10% overall. Local pockets of people within certain sports/activities of course would have a higher percentage of users.

No, researchers are honest and make no grand conclusions about what their hypothesis means.(unlike the media) Using may and probably, they are being honest and accurate in what they are suggesting...and the paper was clear about using the word hypothesis.

The word 'may' is a clear 'waffle' word used just as i stated. Every paper has a stated hypothesis and the conclusion is almost always " more research is needed in this area" after they list the limitations of their research.

Actually, many of the participants were allowed to stop or continue based on their normal usage patterns.

No dosages were listed or given. clarification was needed at the start. no information was given as to what constituted their 'normal usage pattern. If indeed a precipitous drop was detected, perhaps what is needed is not prohibition but education .
This is not a comparison, just pointing out that steroids are not completely free of addictive potential and that some people are vulnerable to steroid addiction and that it should not be discounted. In much the same way, the psychiatric establishment has concluded that steroid rage behavior does not occur in the average user except in those that are already psychiatrically predisposed ie: antipersonality disorder, short fuse syndromes etc. As you stated, compared to other drugs, the addiction rate is definately not as high.
it has never been definitively shown that ut is a psychological addiction or a physiological addiction with respect to steroids. just as buddy said, t is an addiction to the state of being that AAS creates. It most likely or MAY eventually be shown that it is combination of the two.
I agree.

This is another article that looked at self reported potential for addiction by anabolic hormone users using a very strict DSMIIR criteria.

{Yates WR, Perry PJ, MacIndoe J, et al. Psychosexual effects of three doses of testosterone cycling in normal men. Biol Psychiatry. 1999;45:254-260. }


Sorry, these were hard copies I had in my office, so no internet links.

That report rings a bell but not the authors. I shall look it up later, or i MAY not.. depends. What is true is that ppl with known personality disorders have these traits/behaviors amplified as well as the trigger threshold seems to be lowered. IN THOSE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. Within any group of people exhibiting behavior A, 4% will be pretty extreme of either end and there will be 0.35% of the people who exhibit the most extreme esamples. Of that last group 0.35%, 0.175% will be so extreme as to be completely unreal.

These boards are not representative. the members are no way near being a random sample. that said, it is easy to point out those ppl on these boards who respond in such a manner that only disproves their very argument


yall have a good one.
mm
 
that's me

Originally posted by Power Rabbit
Just make sure your cheap...when your tight fisted with your cash its alittle harder for addiction to take hold..
this is me to a T. Russian D-bol, ( actually methyl test which is funny ) is being sold for 120 Canadian ( maybe a buck quarter american ). That is just outrageous so i don't bother. and brother looks you right in the eye and tells you he is giving you a great deal too.... sheesh.
 
i can only believe that the interaction between maddog and just a guy on this thread was prompted by something other than this topic. That it is essentially a carry over from something else that happened earlier on. i actually thought that this was a valid point and a worthy thread so it's troublesome that it fell apart to this.
 
Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
MM - The use of the word widespread was not defined in that abstract. Researchers, as scientists should choose their words carefully as it could be infered that widespread meant in the general public. out of 300 000 000 peopl in the USA and 40 000 000 in Canada, i would expect the incidence of AAS use to be between 0.01% and 10% overall. Local pockets of people within certain sports/activities of course would have a higher percentage of users.

This took place in New Haven, CT and it sounds like they were referring to their own reports rather than a national consensus. I think widespread is relative word anyway. A 20% collegiate athlete usage is relatively widespread, anything that affects 20% of a certain population by epidemiological standards is an epidemic.



The word 'may' is a clear 'waffle' word used just as i stated. Every paper has a stated hypothesis and the conclusion is almost always " more research is needed in this area" after they list the limitations of their research.

I believe they suggested that looking at the opoid and aminergic neurotransmitter response and hyperadrenergic response to steroid withdrawel would be helpful in the future as a line of research. Many papers use may and it does not detract it from being good research.



No dosages were listed or given. clarification was needed at the start. no information was given as to what constituted their 'normal usage pattern. If indeed a precipitous drop was detected, perhaps what is needed is not prohibition but education .


This was just an abstract. I will scrounge up the full methodology lagter.


It has never been definitively shown that ut is a psychological addiction or a physiological addiction with respect to steroids. just as buddy said, t is an addiction to the state of being that AAS creates. It most likely or MAY eventually be shown that it is combination of the two.

That's true, but if their hyperadrenergic response is real, (as measured by the serum stress catacholamine levels) and their response to medications used for cocaine/opoid withdrawels , then it does point to a physical basis in some, but I believe for most it is a psycological addiction.


That report rings a bell but not the authors. I shall look it up later, or i MAY not.. depends. What is true is that ppl with known personality disorders have these traits/behaviors amplified as well as the trigger threshold seems to be lowered. IN THOSE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. Within any group of people exhibiting behavior A, 4% will be pretty extreme of either end and there will be 0.35% of the people who exhibit the most extreme esamples. Of that last group 0.35%, 0.175% will be so extreme as to be completely unreal.

These boards are not representative. the members are no way near being a random sample. that said, it is easy to point out those ppl on these boards who respond in such a manner that only disproves their very argument

True, it is called participant bias in clinical medicine. Usually they try to make it a random selection, and do not tell the participants what they are looking for, if possible. Those who responded to the research questionaire may have had underlying psych issues that prompted them to seek out or be amenable to such research.

The whole point of the paper, (though not a perfect study,) had some features that were promising in terms of future research ie: I was most compelled by the fact that medicines used to calm or attenuate opoid/cocaine withdrawel were used in some of the participants which produced a profound amelioration of their symptoms. That makes for a good reasearch if it brings up more avenues of research for the future even though it never answers its hypothesis....such is the majority of scientific, clinical research anyway.

There are very few definative conclusions that are more common in the pure physical sciences . When it comes to biological medical conclusions, the only conclusions are that x is true if y, and z, are true under the conditions of e,f,g and only pertaining to those with attributes h,i,j etc. etc. As you have hinted at. :D

It's a wonder anything ever gets done!
 
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Originally posted by Just a guy
Fucker... are u still talkin? Man i want to run in 2 u one day... Because honestly you sound like a Weak peice of shit... I get lab tests done EVERY month... im healthy as a horse... i will GLADLY whoop ur ass... Responsible AAS user.... son of a bitch.. thats what i try to be.. im using every protectant i can get my hands on... I go to the doc if one thing messes up... but u know what the doc said to me.... Your on roids?? I see your big and everything but your Cholesterol and everything is in normal range.... So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh :rolleyes:

Lighten up. Crap like this is the very reason people blame all this attitued shit on AS.
 
Originally posted by bandaidwoman
...It's a wonder anything ever gets done!

you have agreed with everything i wrote. if x is true, then y is true, however it may not turn out to be the case that if y is true then x must be true as well.

the scientific research carried out was flawed.
More to a point that you have made: a 20% prevalence is preposterous in college. out of 5000 people at the university, then 1000 would be taking steroids. what these sorts of studies tell me is that they picked a group of people not representative of a random sampling. There is a statistical method to use in order to find "n': the number of people in your sample that when polled, would adequately represent the population of size "S". this would be dependent on the prevalence of the response/behavior in quesiton.
if any study finds a 20% penetration of the population, then they must have used the entire football team as their study subjects.

nice to have your comments . i don't find them anti or pro anything. as with myself, you present the facts as you perceive them. it is left up to the reader to interpret them as they wish.

MM
 
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