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Draft?

Do you think there will be a draft?

  • Yes, for sure

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • No, positively not

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • Eh....maybe, depends on what happens...

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • Total voters
    31
That entire article revolves around this assumption, "If the editorial writers of the New York Times are talking about a new draft that would send young men and women to die in the deserts of Iraq fighting crazy religious fanatics, then the idea is certainly being whispered about in the upper echelons of American society". Paragraph two, sentence one. If/then. The problem is it's a faulty assumption. Just because the NY Times is up in arms about something does NOT mean the entire U.S. Defense Department is taking action about it. The two are unrelated.
 
My Political Opinions:

Fuck the democrats, the republicans and everyone in between. Almost all of them are career politicans who have/would sell their soul to their parties ideals and agendas to get (re)elected. There are exceptions....given

What we need to do is to form a revolution and establish myself as a benevolent dictator of the US(because I know what's best for everyone).

What ever happened to presidents like Jefferson and Lincoln? They were some of the greatest men ever to walk the Earth and now we have a choice between 2 mouthpieces for their respective parties and monetary contributors. Ya, wahoo, it inspires me and gives me confidence in the democratic system (see above).
 
ALBOB said:
That entire article revolves around this assumption, "If the editorial writers of the New York Times are talking about a new draft that would send young men and women to die in the deserts of Iraq fighting crazy religious fanatics, then the idea is certainly being whispered about in the upper echelons of American society". Paragraph two, sentence one. If/then. The problem is it's a faulty assumption. Just because the NY Times is up in arms about something does NOT mean the entire U.S. Defense Department is taking action about it. The two are unrelated.

I just like to post a lot of political rhetoric and crap to stir shit up and piss off die hard Republicans like yourself. :D
 
Robert DiMaggio said:
I just like to post a lot of political rhetoric and crap to stir shit up and piss off die hard Republicans like yourself. :D

Yeah, I love you too. :D
 
ALBOB said:
What a freakin' day. I have to agree with Mr. Snafu right out of the gate. I should probably just go home and go back to bed, it's just gonna be downhill from here. :(

Nooooooooooooooooo!
I started to but could not bring myself to do it. I thought you might........you are right. It's a bad day! :D
 
DOS Forever said:
My Political Opinions:

Fuck the democrats, the republicans and everyone in between. Almost all of them are career politicans who have/would sell their soul to their parties ideals and agendas to get (re)elected. There are exceptions....given

What we need to do is to form a revolution and establish myself as a benevolent dictator of the US(because I know what's best for everyone).

What ever happened to presidents like Jefferson and Lincoln? They were some of the greatest men ever to walk the Earth and now we have a choice between 2 mouthpieces for their respective parties and monetary contributors. Ya, wahoo, it inspires me and gives me confidence in the democratic system (see above).
What did Lincoln do to be so great?
 
The draft is a scare tactic to get Kerry in office. Same as will be the night of election. Mark my word..................Kerry will claim victory very early and protest every single vote he can(lawyers already in place) to try to turn away Bush voters on the west coast so he will win.
 
Robert DiMaggio said:
I think he ended slavery.
That is a highly perceived myth. If you look at numbers (and I don't have them) The North had as many or more slaves than the south. That whole war was not about slavery.
 
LOL...........The preservation of liberty and freedom was the motivating factor in the South's decision to fight the Second American Revolution
 
I heard the Peace Corps was going to have a draft.
 
Though winning in the electoral college, Lincoln's lack of a popular majority (1.9 million out of 4.7 million votes cast) is an indication of the problems he would face with a divided nation

Damn.................sound familiar??
 
I feel a draft coming right now, must be the one coming from Alboob's ass. Nasty old bastard.
 
Dale Mabry said:
I feel a draft coming right now, must be the one coming from Alboob's ass. Nasty old bastard.

That was the dog, you asshole. :yell:
 
THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT

It is a political trick put out by the Democrats to scare the college kids (and others) into voting against Bush.

The Democrats have sent e-mails and public alerts out saying that Bush intends to reinstate the draft after the election. THIS IS A LIE ! ! !

They further say that there is pending legislation in Congress to support this statement. This is true S. 89 and H.R. 163 both are talking about reinstating the draft. Neither of these will pass.

What they do not tell you is both bills are sponsored by Democrats.
Thats right, S.89 is sponsored by F Hollings Dem of SC and HR 193 is sponsored by none other than Charlie Rangel Dem of NY.

Here is a link to show what the bill says and who sponsored it.

http://www.hslda.org/Legislation/Na...S89/default.asp

AMAZING ! ! !

The Dems sponsor the bill and blame it on Bush.
But you won't hear that in the so called unbiased media
(tomas, that is for you buddy)
 
I don't think we can rule out a draft under Bush, Kerry or Nader. We never know what shit will hit the fan in the next 4 years.
 
maniclion said:
I heard the Peace Corps was going to have a draft.

I was in the Peace Corps. If you want any info. PM me.

Their budget has been increased significantly.
 
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du510 said:
I dont believe that. I think the government will just create better incentives to join. Not only higher pay, etc, but also slowly pulling out of hot zones, working with international forces, etc.
Du know this as a no-way-but-this-way kinda deal. With Bush as our Prez for another four ... we will not leave Iraq. We will not pull back, yield and inch, or back away a single foot. Not until we have sucked every drop of oil out of that sand will we move on.
 
dg806 said:
That is a highly perceived myth. If you look at numbers (and I don't have them) The North had as many or more slaves than the south. That whole war was not about slavery.

Regardless of the what you feel the war was about, he did end slavery bubba.
 
From USA Today
As these U.S. troops mass outside Najaf, the Pentagon said that some soldiers' Iraq tours have been extended three months.
By Saurabh Das, AP

Through March 17, nearly halfway through the fiscal year, the Army fell about 1,000 short of meeting its goal of keeping 25,786 soldiers whose enlistments were ending or who were eligible to retire. That works out to a 96% retention rate.

Last year, the retention figure was 106% because more soldiers stayed than the Army had planned. The retention goal assumes that not all eligible to stay will remain.

Military personnel experts have warned that full-time soldiers and members of the Guard and Reserve could begin leaving this year because of the strains of service, including longer and more frequent overseas missions. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged Thursday that the Defense Department will extend duty in Iraq beyond one year for 20,000 soldiers. Their time in Iraq will grow as much as 90 days.

"We regret having to extend those individuals," Rumsfeld said. "The country is at war, and we need to do what is necessary to succeed."

Do not allow election time rhetoric to cloud your perspective. Whatever BushCo needs to do to get this oil will be done. We have funded the draft board an ADDITIONAL $22,000,000 to increase its numbers and readiness status. We are now at a 74 day production status from call to arms ... to our men and women getting their uniforms. We all know the Democrats sponsored the draft bills, and we know that these bills were brought up in both houses to be "Killed" a few weeks ago but were not. While "languishing" in House Armed Services Committee the age of the eligible draftees has been increased to age 34 and changed to include women to fill military jobs that require a greater degree of technical skill and educational background.

Since the men serving are "scoffing" at the $10,000 re-up bonus we are gonna need more people to enlist than are currently doing so to keep up our military forces in Iraq. Bottom line is that if we stay in Iraq we will need a draft. People will get more and better information over the next 12 months. The interest in "liberating" Iraq (from its oil) will decline as the desire not go to war will increase among those of age to serve. With all deferment options removed, the new border agreements with both Canada and Mexico (both countries will return all draft dodgers to US), and the Draft age increased to 34 you may not consider this a threat, but you should not dismiss this without first taking a good hard look at the real numbers.
 
The draft is for all practical purposes dead. As I have said in other forums the fundamental reason is because the country, in spite of all the false claims that we have made massive social re-engineering inroads is not ready to see its daughters pulled kicking and screaming from their homes into the military or sent to prison. This is not to slight the patriotism of women but rather to assert the fact that socially we really re not much different than we ever were on this point. Sorry but if it was attempted it would cause a civil war.

OD
 
Well with a 1/3 of recalled Reservists not showing up, what's next?
 
You start shit with someone and then question my "deal"? I think you should be able to answer your ignorant question all on your own.


Congratulations on a pathetic attempt to hijack the thread. At this pace, you''l break Johnnny's record as the most annoying member in no time.
 
maniclion said:
Well with a 1/3 of recalled Reservists not showing up, what's next?
Lion,

That was "did not show up on time", which is different than did not show up at all. Reservists given short notice have a hard time getting all of their affairs in order before they leave. Thus many are late / delayed in arriving.

Nice how you buy into all of the media bias without thinking it thru.

Oh yeah, I forgot. You do not believe in media bias.
 
The bottom line is that the US Military does NOT want a draft. Why? It's easier to train people that WANT to be in the military.

The volunteer force is working fine. There is no need for a draft.
 
We've talked in other threads on this Stick and I backed off then and will do so now ... but please do the math. Rhetoric, someone's obversations of what the military does or does not want, and conjecture are all opinions. Math does not lie. If our number fall short and BushCo is still wanting that oil ... we will see a draft. These guys spent too much time and energy getting the draft board modernised, and placed at the local level in every state. They included a requirement in the "No Child Left Behind Act" for all schols to provide personal information and records on all our kids to maintain funding. Why all the forethought and funding for something they'd not ever want to use?

Math never lies friends.
 
I have an informed take on it, my friend.

Don't back off, hammer forward. I'd like to see your reasons why you think a draft is coming. Just remember, all this negative stuff (and yes, some of it is bad) is just what you see on the news. It's not necessarily what is "actually" happening.

Do I trust my buddies who are actually there, or do I trust the news? In a nutshell, I trust people I serve with, who are there, about what's going on in their areas.

Your other points have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Did we go in for oil? I don't believe we did.

The proposed draft resolution wasn't brought by the Bush administration. It was brought up by Democrats (Rangel, specifically). I suggest you look up H.R. 163. Here's a brief synopsis:

Bill Summary & Status for the 108th Congress
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H.R.163
Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14)
Related Bills: S.89
Latest Major Action: 10/5/2004 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 2 - 402 (Roll no. 494).
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COSPONSORS(14), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 1/7/2003 Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 1/28/2003
Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 5/19/2004 Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 1/28/2003
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 1/7/2003 Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 1/28/2003
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 1/28/2003 Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 7/21/2004
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 1/28/2003 Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 1/7/2003
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 1/7/2003 Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 1/28/2003
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] - 1/7/2003 Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-12] - 1/28/2003
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 1/28/2003(withdrawn - 6/21/2004)

Check out the party affiliation on these folks. Math doesn't lie, true. Smoke and mirrors, on the other hand, present things that are not what they seem.

So tell me, again, who wants a draft?
 
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