Its nothin Im too happy with. I got some good pumps, good vascularity during workouts... lost a little bit of fat. I am now 4lbs lighter then when I started. As i mentioned earlier in the thread, I take shits bigger than that. But I ate pretty clean and my workouts were intense. I hate to say it, but I wouldnt recommend this product. Perhaps Im just a non-responder?musclepump said:Didn't want to post anymore about your results?