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Election 2012

the powers that be killed JFK and also Patton one of the greatest strategists in world history. GJ wouldn't stand a chance at changing anything. the entire system is FUBAR and has been for a long time. do you know what it would take to reverse the bad economic policy's enacted over the past 40 years?

yeah you're right. we should just give up, bend over, and take it up the ass.
 
yeah you're right. we should just give up, bend over, and take it up the ass.

what i'm saying at best we can hope for small changes. there will be no reversal of the direction the US is headed in to believe in that is pure delusion. policy is only part of the problem it's the "get mine now and fuck everyone in the future" that can't be changed and that is the human factor.
 
Worthy of a bump.....
 
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Romney's little bump lasted 1 day. some goo stuff there about the debates

Probably the most clever remark of any debate was the one Lloyd Bentsen made to Dan Quayle in the 1988 vice-presidential debate: "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" Quayle was stopped in his tracks. But it didn't change the election results. In January 1989, Quayle was inaugurated as Vice President, not Bentsen. In other words, even a very clever remark or two is not likely to affect the election and ham-handed ones may do more damage than good.

[h=4] Pennsylvania Judge Blocks Voter ID Law [/h] A Pennsylvania judge blocked the state's new law requiring voters to show government-issued photo ID before being allowed to vote. The case reached the state Supreme Court, which sent it back to the judge for the final decision. Now he had made it: ID will not be required. This decision is a major victory for Obama and a major loss for Romney since up to 10% of the state's voters--nearly all Democrats--might have been prevented from voting by this law. Now it is virtually certain that Obama will carry Pennsylvania.
In other states, similar laws have been enjoined, blocked, or weakened. They have been removed entirely in Wisconsin and Texas. In addition, early voting has been restored in Florida. All in all, the hopes Republicans had of suppressing Democratic turnout are likely to be dashed.
 
what i'm saying at best we can hope for small changes. there will be no reversal of the direction the US is headed in to believe in that is pure delusion. policy is only part of the problem it's the "get mine now and fuck everyone in the future" that can't be changed and that is the human factor.
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Yeah GW Bush took the economy right into the toilet genius.

Yes, one man did it single handedly. He signed all those bad mortgages, levered up all those hedge funds, and watched it burn. But our savior Obama has made it so much better. He didn't pile on debt, or print ludacris amounts of money to fund social programs and obligations, he has turned it around!
 
Yes, one man did it single handedly. He signed all those bad mortgages, levered up all those hedge funds, and watched it burn. But our savior Obama has made it so much better. He didn't pile on debt, or print ludacris amounts of money to fund social programs and obligations, he has turned it around!


lol.. some people right ebn? this was alllllll bush's fault :coffee:

every last bit
 
There really is no doubt that those returns would be damning to his campaign. The question is how damning.
 
i hope Obama has them at next debate :coffee:
 
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But our savior Obama has made it so much better. He didn't pile on debt, or print ludacris amounts of money to fund social programs and obligations, he has turned it around!

and what would have been the better option? austery measures like the GOP and deficit hawks wanted just like they demanded right after the Great Depression started which made it longer and harder than it had to be. austerity measures have never worked in world economic history and not in US history. as soon as the recession started the private sector cut jobs and capital spending to keep profit margins high which are directly associated with stock share prices. so what do you think would have happened had the government reduced spending at the same time the private sector did and consumption decreased as over-extended homeowners pay down that historic household debt that peaked at 100% of GDP in 2008.

the only time austerity measures would work would be when gov spending was actually crowding out spending and investment from the private sector which it wasn't, interests rates were near all time historic lows so there was no room for monetary policy from the Fed to have any real effect on consumption and inflation is relatively low (per the bullshit CPI). the economic expansion before the recession was the weakest since WWII and it was also of short duration. recessions after short economic expansion are always harsh this is global economic history and not specific to any country or period.

and Obama or any other POTUS in the last 100 years has had the power to print money. monetary policy is determined by the Fed the POTUS or executive branch have no power over the Fed at all. as was found out in the 2011 GAO report which showed the Fed secretly loaned out 16T to the banks and other large firms with out even notifying Congress.

repeating lies over and over does not make them true or factual. there is a reason why US currency says right on the top "A Federal Reserve Note" the money supply is controlled by the Fed and only the Fed. and if you read the statement below it tells you that the Fed would rather keep prices high then to allow them to fall. which means controlling debt is far less important than firm profits.

Speech, Bernanke --Deflation-- November 21, 2002
 
and what would have been the better option? austery measures like the GOP and deficit hawks wanted just like they demanded right after the Great Depression started which made it longer and harder than it had to be. austerity measures have never worked in world economic history and not in US history. as soon as the recession started the private sector cut jobs and capital spending to keep profit margins high which are directly associated with stock share prices. so what do you think would have happened had the government reduced spending at the same time the private sector did and consumption decreased as over-extended homeowners pay down that historic household debt that peaked at 100% of GDP in 2008.

the only time austerity measures would work would be when gov spending was actually crowding out spending and investment from the private sector which it wasn't, interests rates were near all time historic lows so there was no room for monetary policy from the Fed to have any real effect on consumption and inflation is relatively low (per the bullshit CPI). the economic expansion before the recession was the weakest since WWII and it was also of short duration. recessions after short economic expansion are always harsh this is global economic history and not specific to any country or period.

and Obama or any other POTUS in the last 100 years has had the power to print money. monetary policy is determined by the Fed the POTUS or executive branch have no power over the Fed at all. as was found out in the 2011 GAO report which showed the Fed secretly loaned out 16T to the banks and other large firms with out even notifying Congress.

repeating lies over and over does not make them true or factual. there is a reason why US currency says right on the top "A Federal Reserve Note" the money supply is controlled by the Fed and only the Fed. and if you read the statement below it tells you that the Fed would rather keep prices high then to allow them to fall. which means controlling debt is far less important than firm profits.

Speech, Bernanke --Deflation-- November 21, 2002


Your gonna be the most disappomnited person on this forum along with chicken wing so you two's might want to exhnange numbers so you can both cry and circle jerk when Romney wins.Your Boy wonder Barry hasnt accomplished shit in 4 years and Biden screwed the barry pooch in the debate
 
if Romney wins i'm just going to laugh at all you people bitching about him in 4 years.
 
if Romney wins i'm just going to laugh at all you people bitching about him in 4 years.

They won't though, these are the same fucking idiots that voted for Bush a second time. Fuck, at least I learned my lesson after his first term.
 
Very interesting electoral vote-count scenarios.

Analysis: U.S. presidential race is all about Ohio - or is it?

Thu, Oct 25 2012

By John Whitesides
WASHINGTON | Mon Oct 29, 2012
(Reuters) - With one week left in the tight battle for the White House, it's all about the vital swing state of Ohio. Unless it's about Colorado - or Iowa, or tiny New Hampshire.

Democratic President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney both have clear paths to the 270 electoral votes needed for victory - and they don't all go through Ohio, the state that both sides have long viewed as key to capturing the White House.

Obama still has a slight electoral map advantage fueled by his slim lead in Ohio, but Romney has steadily closed the gap or moved slightly ahead in some other battleground states. Eight states remain relative toss-ups.

Both candidates can construct multiple winning scenarios, with or without Ohio. And it's now possible that the tipping point could emerge from another battleground, such as Colorado, where Obama and Romney are deadlocked in the polls.

"At this point, there are probably more electoral map scenarios than there are undecided voters,"
said Lee Miringoff, a pollster at Marist College, which is conducting surveys in key swing states.

"In a 50-50 race ... everything and everywhere is going to matter," he said.

Analysis: U.S. presidential race is all about Ohio - or is it? | Reuters
 
Romney will win, updated science says

By Mindy Seymour | Colorado Watchdog

DENVER ? Mitt Romney will win the presidential race in November, according to an updated forecasting model that has accurately predicted the leader of the free world in the past eight elections.

Despite polls that showed President Barack Obama with a slight edge over Romney going into last week?s debate, Romney will emerge the victor because of voters who are unhappy with economic conditions, according to political science professors Kenneth Bickers of the University of Colorado at Boulder and Michael Berry of the



Mitt Romney will win the presidential race in November, according to an updated forecasting model that has accurately predicted the leader of the free world in the past eight elections.

University of Colorado at Denver.

?When we plug in the numbers,we estimate the winner every time,? Berry said.

Their initial study was done in May and was recently updated with data from August. Back in May the professors determined that Romney would win the election, and now the numbers are even more in his favor.

The most noticeable change they saw in their model between May and August was that New Mexico now appears to be a win for Romney when it was formerly going for Obama. And in Colorado, which narrowly squeaked by for Obama in 2008, voters will pick Romney at 53.3 percent. The earlier study showed his win at 51.9 percent.

A news release from the University of Colorado explained the results: ?According to their updated analysis, Romney is projected to receive 330 of the total 538 Electoral College votes. Obama is expected to receive 208 votes ? down five votes from their initial prediction ? and short of the 270 needed to win.?

What makes this forecasting model different from others is that Bickers and Berry focus on the Electoral College and not the popular vote, and it includes more than one state-level measure of economic conditions. Their economic data comes from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Then they factor in state and national unemployment figures and changes in real per capita income.

Berry points out that Democrats and Republicans are affected differently by things like the latest unemployment figures, which


Despite polls that showed President Barack Obama with a slight edge over Romney going into last week?s debate, Romney will emerge the victor because of voters who are unhappy with economic conditions, according to a pair of political science professors.

were released last week and showed a decrease in the unemployment rate to 7.8 percent.

?It depends on the nature of those figures,? he explained. ?Generally that?s an advantage to the incumbent party.?

The numbers could be reflecting more people out of work, leaving the work force or getting low-paying part-time jobs and therefore affecting personal income.

However, the latest polls concur with the Berry and Bickers forecasting model, showing that Romney got a significant bounce in the polls since the first debate on Oct. 3.

According to the Huffington Post, the Gallup organization did three days of calling nationwide immediately after the debate and found that Obama and Romney were tied at 47 percent nationwide.

?Gallup showed Obama leading Romney by 5 percentage points ? 50 percent to 45 percent ? in interviews conducted in the three days prior to the debate,? the story said. In short, the data shows a trend of a slight shift of voter preference for Romney.

Even with the science, there is wiggle room in the next few weeks since the Berry and Bickers forecasting model sticks to the facts of economic measures.

?Regarding the debate performances, any campaign gaffes, the model does not account for those,? Berry said.
Contact Mindy Seymour at sinkmp@aol.com
 
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