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Oh okay LAM, sounds good man. Does 200mg twice a day sound okay to you? Or would you recommend 300mg twice a day?
 
a study i found on ua:

Biochem Pharmacol. 2004 Feb 1;67(3):439-51. Related Articles, Links


Usnic acid-induced necrosis of cultured mouse hepatocytes: inhibition of mitochondrial function and oxidative stress.

Han D, Matsumaru K, Rettori D, Kaplowitz N.

USC-UCLA Research Center for Alcoholic and Pancreatic Disease and University of Southern California Research Center for Liver Diseases, Keck School of Medicine, University of Southern California, 2011 Zonal Avenue, HMR 101, Los Angeles, CA 90089-9121, USA.

Usnic acid, a lichen acid, is a compound found in crude medicines and dietary supplements, including Lipokinetix, a supplement marketed as a weight loss agent that caused hepatotoxicity and acute liver failure in patients. In this study, we examined the toxicity of usnic acid and assessed whether usnic acid may be contributing to hepatotoxicity caused by Lipokinetix. In primary cultured murine hepatocytes, usnic acid treatment (5 microM) resulted in 98% necrosis within 16 hr (no apoptosis was detected). Usnic acid treatment was associated with early inhibition and uncoupling of the electron transport chain in mitochondria of cultured hepatocytes. This inhibition of mitochondria by usnic acid corresponded with a fall in ATP levels in hepatocytes. In isolated liver mitochondria, usnic acid was observed to directly inhibit and uncouple oxidative phosphorylation. Oxidative stress appears to be central in usnic acid-induced hepatotoxicity based on the following findings: (1) pretreatment with antioxidants (butylated hydroxytoluene+Vitamin E) decreased usnic acid-induced necrosis by nearly 70%; (2) depletion of mitochondrial GSH with diethylmaleate increased susceptibility of hepatocytes to usnic acid; (3) usnic acid treatment was associated with increase free radical generation, measured using the fluorescent probe, dichlorodihydrofluorescin. The source of reactive oxygen species after usnic acid treatment include autoxidation of usnic acid and increased hydrogen peroxide generation by mitochondria caused by usnic acid inhibition of the respiratory chain, with the latter playing a more prominent role. Taken together, our results suggest that usnic acid is a strong hepatotoxic agent that triggers oxidative stress and disrupts the normal metabolic processes of cells. Usnic acid therefore may contribute to the hepatotoxic effects of Lipokinetix and its use in any supplement must come into question.

PMID: 15037196 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
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Sledge (Designer Supps) should have a non-toxic uncoupler coming out in March.
 
Yes, he has a bunch of interesting stuff in the works, but this is one I am particularly curious about.
 
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Twin Peak said:
Sledge (Designer Supps) should have a non-toxic uncoupler coming out in March.

Will he be doing a testing period? Will you be a tester?
 
I believe he has done some testing already, and he just got in a small supply of the active, for which he will do final alpha testing. I am not sure if I will get some of this or not (depends on how much he has). Since I named it, I better at least get some of the next batch!
 
Do these weight loss drugs u guys are talking about spare muscle tissue, or do you lose some muscle as well?
 
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