First cycle advice for moderate trainer pls read and reply :):):)

[Sbox]

Hey Kids,

I have always been interested in taking roids just to add a little bit more mass to my body even when i was say 18 i started a job and really researched it but decided against it but since then have always studied up on training and nutrition I am now 26 and have been training again for 9 months as i was in a huge car crash and it took 2 years of training to recover however I am in perfect shape once again apart from excess fat.
However I also am the sort of person who wants to have 18% body fat as my build is quite huge 196cm tall and very big chest naturally even when i did not train i don't care for abs but it that way. and for sports reason a bit of fat in my position is necessary in my opinion others can disagree but your not in my shoes

I am now i would say 20% body fat even tho calipers and scales lie i would just guess that nothing can tell ur true body fat so don't tell me that like everyone does lol

So the cycle is just 4 weeks of sustanon /winnie clomid only pct i only want to put on say 10 lb's because i am already 243 lbs trained for 4 yrs before the car crash kept a little of it was all natural back then.

What is your recommendation I have 10ml of sustanon at my disposal and 4 vials of 1 ml sus and 60 tab's of clen is this a good idea?
I know how to cycle it have done my research for a long time even tho i never took the things because i decided to wait till i turn 26 atleast.

I dont want the cycle to go for more than 6 weeks and ill have clomid for 2 - 3 weeks after if my test drops and will have my blood tested.

Alot of people will say to do a longer cycle remember i only want to add 10 lb's and keep at the least 18% of body fat i can eat a cow in 1 day but i do alot of cardio.

Dont tell me i will loose my hair too because i lost my hair without taking steroids 2 years ago anyways im greek

Pls let me know your opinion as i will want to start in 2 more mths after 11 mths of solid training has been done.

thank you once again

 

[Built]

You will partition better if you lean out a bit first. "Juicy" as you are, you won't partition well and you'll aromatize too much of your cycle.

Might not be what you wanted to hear, but you're asking; I'm telling.

 

[Sbox]

Yer I sort of Agree I have a better PCT set up now also.

With the fat when i say 18" its when you people say 12%
im sorry look at say dexter jackson he wouldnt be any lower then 5% imo
all those calipers and testers do not work properly just my opinion if you looked at me you would say 14% i reckon but im a big lad too in heigh and chest/shoulders naturally

But thanks for your opinion post another for me to read more opinions !

 

[Sbox]

More Opinions please people post more on some 18 yr old guys thread then my genuine one sigh what has body building forums come to the passed 8 yrs gone by

Also I have changed my cycle to
1ml of SUS 250 every 4 days using 12 vials and then 3 weeks later nolva and that is all.

Pls reply if you think i should add or change any days on this basic cycle !

 

[quark]

More Opinions please people post more on some 18 yr old guys thread then my genuine one sigh what has body building forums come to the passed 8 yrs gone by

Also I have changed my cycle to
1ml of SUS 250 every 4 days using 12 vials and then 3 weeks later nolva and that is all.

Pls reply if you think i should add or change any days on this basic cycle !

IMO first cycle should be test only. A straight test like enan or cyp or prop if you wanted. You could probably use the Sus but the short lived esters require more frequent pinning than 4 days to get the most out of it. Lots of threads on that here. Consider hcg use during cycle also. Then your nolva for pct.
As Built said though, you should bring your bf down before you start.

 

[Sbox]

THanks Chappj the plan is to bring the fat down a bit more as for the change of roids
I can only get sus 250 that i know is legit the rest i can get but the likeliness that it is fake or vet gear is to high for me to bother

Ill speak to the doctor about the HCG during the cycle thanks again buddy

 

[RoosterTX]

If you are set on Sustanon. I would reccomend either injecting .25 cc (assuming you are running 250mg of test blend per 1 cc) everday, or at the very least running .5 cc every other day.

So you have 12 mL of sus, giving you 3000mg total, what I outlined above is an injection schedule for someone running 500mg per week. If you run at this rate then you will be running a 7 week cycle, which most will say is a bit too short. You can reduce down to 300mg per week which would be fine, it will just make your cc measurements a bit more difficult.

In that case I would recommend pining: .175 cc per day (good luck with that measurement), or at the very least pining .35 cc every other day. Which would give you a 10 week cycle of 3000mg total.

If this is your first cycle you probably don't want to pin every day, but if you can only get sustanon then doing so is the option that will give you the best results.

Why?

SUSTANON 250

30mg of prop
60mg of phenylprop
60mg of isocaproate
100mg of deconate

30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree.

You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.

60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day.

Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.

To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system.

60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.

100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon

If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks.

This is what your sustanon cycle looks like if you inject on a once or twice a week basis.

wk1 wk6 wk10 wk12
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here is the full link, I suggest you read it, he advocates shooting 1ml every day until you run out and then letting the esters do their work. It's a thought, but I still think that I'll pin every other day, may opt to inject the full ml. Because the fact is you're really not getting 500mg of test every week.

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I would be willing to bet that the reason no one is repling is because your questions, (especially regarding sus), have been answered about 100 times. Spend more time using the search function and less time crying about other people getting more attention.

 

[Shadowcam]

Drop fat then start your cycle after about 3 months of dieting.

In that time do some more research on AAS.

 

[Former Fat boy]

THanks Chappj the plan is to bring the fat down a bit more as for the change of roids
I can only get sus 250 that i know is legit the rest i can get but the likeliness that it is fake or vet gear is to high for me to bother

Ill speak to the doctor about the HCG during the cycle thanks again buddy

Bump Rooster, Sus is not the ideal choice for a 1st, short cycle. but if you must then follow roosters pinning schedule. As far as the gains you're looking for, ya gotta make sure your diets right. At least 2grams of protien per lb of lean body weight per day and cut down/out the starchy carbs for keeping BF% in check. Good Luck Bro.

 

[Pirate!]

Drop fat then start your cycle after about 3 months of dieting.

In that time do some more research on AAS.

I second that. Better to do it right than to rush into it.

 

[Justiniano]

Drop fat then start your cycle after about 3 months of dieting.

In that time do some more research on AAS.

I agree with Shadowcam too.