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First Cycle and PCT

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TylerD said:
im a college student and i want to try out for the football team i was wondering what kind of ph or any kind of supplement should i take to help me out....i want to gain lean muscle mass i dnt want to bulk up to where i cant move i want to stay athletic i want a supplement that can help me get strong more powerful and faster...any advice?
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No stats, no advice.

Age, weight, bf, training exp, etc. are all necessary before we can even begin to comment. Your ideas or steroid/prohormone usage are already flawed however if you think " i dnt want to bulk up to where i cant move i want to stay athletic." Do you think AAS usage will make you big and slow or something?
 
TylerD said:
im a college student and i want to try out for the football team i was wondering what kind of ph or any kind of supplement should i take to help me out....i want to gain lean muscle mass i dnt want to bulk up to where i cant move i want to stay athletic i want a supplement that can help me get strong more powerful and faster...any advice?
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wrong thread, start your own
 
I use HCG while the ester is clearing.
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so basically nolva is only in emergency if gyno starts to happen? take arimidex during whole cycle and aswell as pct with clomid? also with hcg if u dont take during the cycle a strong dose of around 2000iu every 3 days for 2 weeks is good?
 
I need help! Im 21yrs old, 2years training inconsistently, 5'9'' 158lbs. I run a dbol only cycle 1month and a week 10mg per day. My gym instructor told me so. But I found out that it was wrong so I just stopped 3 days now. And I just want to clear up how to run PCT? I really dont know and I cant understand how to run PCT. Can anybody help me and I will really follow your advice. Because I was told that I really need to have a PCT. Please help.
 
lambofgod said:
so BASICALLY NOLVA is only in emergency if gyno starts to happen? take arimidex during whole cycle and aswell as pct with clomid? also with hcg if u dont take during the cycle a strong dose of around 2000iu every 3 days for 2 weeks is good?
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thats debatable
 
I have to tell u heavyiron all ur posts are good. What think about this t400 I have a 10ml of it but I would like to gain 30lbs I no everybody says not to but was thinking of running 30mgs of dbol for almost 4wks to. Or should I get another dill of test an raise the doses?
I'm 25 b 26 in Jan 179 5'10 12%bf would like b 200-220 8% bf pin a gram of that shit would prob b aweful I'm shore
 
lambofgod said:
so basically nolva is only in emergency if gyno starts to happen? take arimidex during whole cycle and aswell as pct with clomid? also with hcg if u dont take during the cycle a strong dose of around 2000iu every 3 days for 2 weeks is good?
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no but thats what a lot of guys including myseld use it for...
 
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Im on the beginning of week 5 of a 10-12 week cycle. This week I start to pyramid from 1 ml to 2 ml of sus250 p/w. Also I began stacking with dbol's for a week now 5p/day. Should I be hitting anything else?? I will start taking Arimidex to keep my test levels high as I know dbols amortize quickly and continue them on after cycle as PCT . Im ordering CJC 1295 to take for the rest of the cycle.

Strength has increased slightly and weight is up slightly 2kg's I was expecting more, I'm sleeping and working out hard, I could be eating a bit more but I make up with supplements.

do you think it's cause I'm under dosing that my gains have not been as good so far or is this normal?
 
thaigleshmk said:
So I have a quick question,

Once I'm done with 10 weeks with Test E, when should I start Clomid? The next day? Or 2 weeks after? What's the most optimal way?

Thank you.
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2 weeks later. And next time make your own thread don't spam stickies :coffee:
 
Hi,

Thx HeavyIron for this great article. I read it at least 10 times and appreciate the way you wrote it, making the way to use steroids understandable to a non specialist that I am. It 's really full of knowledge and permit us to understand with what we're dealing with.

Thx
 
Hey so I don't want to take all those things I don't even know about well I know about but don't really understand so for my first cycle I want to do
Test E 250mg/ml every Monday and Thursday for 10 Weeks then start PCT 3 weeks after
Just Nolva 40/20/20 any advice?
 
You're are confuse man.... Read and read over the HeavyIron article. If you don't know what you're doing then don't do it!
 
I like this advice. Seems like every advice I got here is personal and only something that works for them, but might not work for others. Your first post regarding cycle is interesting but it might not work for me as it has worked for you. Regarding PCT, I'm not sure it should even be called that anymore since you're using an AI during the cycle (not post cycle).

heavyiron said:
That is your decision to make. My first cycle was very aggressive. I was 20 years old and I have no regrets. I loved every minute of it.
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BUCKY said:
I like this advice. Seems like every advice I got here is personal and only something that works for them, but might not work for others. Your first post regarding cycle is interesting but it might not work for me as it has worked for you. Regarding PCT, I'm not sure it should even be called that anymore since you're using an AI during the cycle (not post cycle).
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Huh? He is using an A/I during his PCT and during the cycle.
 
it should be called OCPCT (on cycle, post cycle therapy). Or who can come up with a better term? Great post by him though, first time I've heard of using an AI while on cycle, I hope this does not interfere with the full benefits (and risks) of the FULL testosterone cycle. I would guess it would since the AI would be blocking something? Is gynecomastia not reversible? Why not wait til the end of a cycle to use an AI?

Regarding hypogonadism, the use of an Armidex for PCT is helpful along with gynecomastia and water retention issues, so I don't get Heavy Iron's high dose of HCG at all when if using an Armidex it would only be 0.50 to 1 mg daily, correct? To each his own I guess.

MDR said:
Huh? He is using an A/I during his PCT and during the cycle.
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dude ur not reading it right. AI are to stop conversion of estrogen which leads to the bad side effects and gyno. if u dont take AI during a test cycle u will end up looking like a bloated, pimply asshole with bitchtits. PCT is to restore natural test levels u douche. AI has nothing to do with helping natural test production, thats what clomid and hcg are for. if u dont do pct then u will lose all ur gains from aas and fuck up ur nuts.
 
Hey guys im looking for the best "natural"pct on the market i mean i can buy, lets say my soucre has proved rubbish and is no no longer online.
thanks
 
Great read, thanks for the info Heavy.

Been off the stuff for about 18 weeks now, went to the dr for a checkup, testosterone levels were in the double digits, not good at all. Now that it's been so long since my last shot, would it be smarter to do the 5000iu/week to restart it all or would it be better to do the 500iu twice a week?

my preferred option, do a new cycle and use HCG 500iu every 3 days weekly ?

Sorry for the hassle - never been shut down before - thanks deca.
 
merz said:
Great read, thanks for the info Heavy.

Been off the stuff for about 18 weeks now, went to the dr for a checkup, testosterone levels were in the double digits, not good at all. Now that it's been so long since my last shot, would it be smarter to do the 5000iu/week to restart it all or would it be better to do the 500iu twice a week?

my preferred option, do a new cycle and use HCG 500iu every 3 days weekly ?

Sorry for the hassle - never been shut down before - thanks deca.
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How old are you?

What was your Total T exactly?
 
My total T was 81 ng/dL, free testosterone 1.8 pg/dL.

I'm 25 years old, 5'10 around 245lbs.
My cycle consisted of:
Test E - 500 mg/week - GP
Test C - 400 mg/week - CVS yay US pharm :)
Deca - 400 mg/week - Naps no label :(
Adex - .5mg EOD - GP
Dbol - Week 1-4 - 30mg/day - GP

My PCT - no hcg or clomid like an idiot
4 weeks of Nolva and I did adex as well if i remember correctly


I had extra Test E so I decided to just put all 3 in one. I did between 2.0 and 2.5CC in my delts and 3 in glutes.

I'm just disappointed at my own lack of preparation and now I'm paying for it.
 
merz said:
My total T was 81 ng/dL, free testosterone 1.8 pg/dL.

I'm 25 years old, 5'10 around 245lbs.
My cycle consisted of:
Test E - 500 mg/week - GP
Test C - 400 mg/week - CVS yay US pharm :)
Deca - 400 mg/week - Naps no label :(
Adex - .5mg EOD - GP
Dbol - Week 1-4 - 30mg/day - GP

My PCT - no hcg or clomid like an idiot
4 weeks of Nolva and I did adex as well if i remember correctly


I had extra Test E so I decided to just put all 3 in one. I did between 2.0 and 2.5CC in my delts and 3 in glutes.

I'm just disappointed at my own lack of preparation and now I'm paying for it.
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I would try a Clomid restart. 50mg daily for 4 weeks.
 
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