First time for 40 year old

[OldSchoolLifter]

The day after you pin is fine, Hell even the day of is fine. Because of the half lifes of your AI and AAS, its not really going to make a difference in your results.

I would just stick to your protocol, and get the blood work done. This will give you a very accurate look on how your E2 is, Test serum and Free Test, lipids and so on.

Glad the cycle is going well! Keep us updated.

 

[tokijava]

The day after you pin is fine, Hell even the day of is fine. Because of the half lifes of your AI and AAS, its not really going to make a difference in your results.

I would just stick to your protocol, and get the blood work done. This will give you a very accurate look on how your E2 is, Test serum and Free Test, lipids and so on.

Glad the cycle is going well! Keep us updated.

Thanks always, I will keep you updated

One question - since I have been eating much more as you suggested, I got some fats around my belly and waist. How do I trim them? Cardio? It is not like I am eating anything. My diet is pretty clean...

 

[tokijava]

I am into Week 7 of my cycle and today I got the blood test results. Please let me know if the numbers are normal while on cycle.
The numbers in red are before cycle. I didn't have Lipid Panel before the cycle but the level of cholesterols in the normal range.

Total Cholesterol : 194
Triglycerides: 91
HDL: 40
LDL: 136
Total Test: >1500, 576
LH: <0.2 , 6.1
FSH: <0.2, 2.5
Estradiol: 54.8, 33.8

Should I be concerned about these number?

Thanks,

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I am into Week 7 of my cycle and today I got the blood test results. Please let me know if the numbers are normal while on cycle.
The numbers in red are before cycle. I didn't have Lipid Panel before the cycle but the level of cholesterols in the normal range.

Total Cholesterol : 194
Triglycerides: 91
HDL: 40
LDL: 136
Total Test: >1500, 576
LH: <0.2 , 6.1
FSH: <0.2, 2.5
Estradiol: 54.8, 33.8

Should I be concerned about these number?

Thanks,

Your levels look very good brother.

It is normally for your LH and FSH to be at near nothing levels while on cycle, everything else looks within range, E2 is at a decent level as well. Looks like your having a successful cycle. What was your free test?

 

[tokijava]

Your levels look very good brother.

It is normally for your LH and FSH to be at near nothing levels while on cycle, everything else looks within range, E2 is at a decent level as well. Looks like your having a successful cycle. What was your free test?

Is testosterone serum same as free test? because I don't see free test on the test results.

 

[tokijava]

I just had hormone panel for female and lipid as suggested in the sticky, cheap blood work from privateMDlabs.

 

[tokijava]

Oldschoollifter,

Originally I planned for 10 week of Test Cyp cycle with 2 10ml vials. You recommended that I should do 12 weeks. I think I don't have enough Test Cyp
Can I substitue Test E for the last 2 weeks? It is from different brand.

Thanks,

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Oldschoollifter,

Originally I planned for 10 week of Test Cyp cycle with 2 10ml vials. You recommended that I should do 12 weeks. I think I don't have enough Test Cyp
Can I substitue Test E for the last 2 weeks? It is from different brand.

Thanks,

I wouldn't, at this point, Unless you plan to use the New ester and brand for another 4 weeks. I would probably either increase the length to 14 weeks, or PCT. And the reason you didnt get free test result was because of the female panel. No problem though, all levels look good. I forget, What brand gear and AI are you using?

 

[pasamoto]

I wouldn't, at this point, Unless you plan to use the New ester and brand for another 4 weeks. I would probably either increase the length to 14 weeks, or PCT. And the reason you didnt get free test result was because of the female panel. No problem though, all levels look good. I forget, What brand gear and AI are you using?

Aren't test E and Test C close enough in ester length that it shouldn't matter if he substituted them ?

 

[tokijava]

I wouldn't, at this point, Unless you plan to use the New ester and brand for another 4 weeks. I would probably either increase the length to 14 weeks, or PCT. And the reason you didnt get free test result was because of the female panel. No problem though, all levels look good. I forget, What brand gear and AI are you using?

Well, then I will end the cycle after week 10. The gear and AI (Arimidex) I am using are from Geneza Pharma.

 

[tokijava]

Oldschool,

I have been researching on TRT as suggested, I came across your writing about Run and Gun AAS and it got me thinking. When I finish my 10 week cycle in 3 weeks, can I do run and gun instead of PCT? Or should I just go ahead do PCT and take time off?

Thanks,

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Oldschool,

I have been researching on TRT as suggested, I came across your writing about Run and Gun AAS and it got me thinking. When I finish my 10 week cycle in 3 weeks, can I do run and gun instead of PCT? Or should I just go ahead do PCT and take time off?

Thanks,

In my honest opinion, At 40 I would seriously consider a TRT or cruise type dose rather than going into PCT. I wouldn't however jump right into a another blast though, 200-250/wk TRT for the next 6-8 weeks, then at that time you can start considering another blast.

I think you will seriously enjoy supplying exogenous test rather than going through a PCT regiment, just think long and hard about this though. Chances are if you decide to TRT, and one day you decide to PCT you may not be able to recover, some can, but the chance is there.

The run n gun method is a very nice and refreshing way to cycle.

 

[tokijava]

OldSchoolLifter,

My main concern with TRT is that I am permanently dependent on exogenous test. What if I am not able to get test for several weeks or a month due to travel overseas provided that I can't travel with test? Maybe with a doctor's note, I can travel?

Regarding my current cycle, it appears that I don't have enough test cyp for 10 week cycle. It looks like I have only one pin left to complete 8 week cycle.

I am thinking of doing the following and let me know if it is OK.

Run additional 4 weeks with Test E
week 9- 12: Test E (250 x 2) 500/week

Cruise for 6 weeks at 250mg/wk

Blast with short esters.
Week: 1-5 Test Prop 100mg/ed
Week: 1-5 Tren Ace 50-75mg/ed
Week: 1-3 Dbol 30mg/ed

Then do PCT.

Thanks,

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

OldSchoolLifter,

My main concern with TRT is that I am permanently dependent on exogenous test. What if I am not able to get test for several weeks or a month due to travel overseas provided that I can't travel with test? Maybe with a doctor's note, I can travel?

Regarding my current cycle, it appears that I don't have enough test cyp for 10 week cycle. It looks like I have only one pin left to complete 8 week cycle.

I am thinking of doing the following and let me know if it is OK.

Run additional 4 weeks with Test E
week 9- 12: Test E (250 x 2) 500/week

Cruise for 6 weeks at 250mg/wk

Blast with short esters.
Week: 1-5 Test Prop 100mg/ed
Week: 1-5 Tren Ace 50-75mg/ed
Week: 1-3 Dbol 30mg/ed

Then do PCT.

Thanks,

Tok,

Your concerns regarding TRT are valid, but if you decide to do TRT I would recommend seeing an endocrinologist. He will run your panel, and more than likely prescribe you with test, so traveling with needle/syringe and your vial won't be an issue. Again think long and hard about it, as it very well could turn into a life long commitment.

Your proposal looks good, I don't see any harm in adding in 4 more weeks of test.

My only objection is with your planned next cycle, while it does go with the Run n Gun method, that will technically be your second cycle. Are you ready for every day injections? You have definitely shown you do your homework, and research. So I'm sure you know how Tren can be miserable for some. Also you have never used Prop, some get some terrible pip with it, so ater injecting every day you will need many sites you can rotate to.

Other than that, I don't see a problem with anything you have laid out. Like I said you have done your homework, asked the right questions, and show a genuine respect for the compounds used.

Just make sure you continue your AI during your cruise, then when you start the next blast, add in Caber if using any 19nor compounds like Tren, Deca, NPP.

I may however recommend you do this though.

Once you finish the current blast, Cruise for 6-8 weeks then you could do the following. AgentYes has a TPA Blend, 50mg Test Prop, 50mg Test Ace

Discontinue Test E ( cruise)
1-6 TPA 1ml 100mg EOD
1-6 NPP 1ml 100mg EOD
1-4 Dbol 30mg/ed

PCT
1 week after last shot.

Clomid 100/100/75/75/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5

 

[Scott1965]

1 inch pretty much is good for anywhere unless your bf is very high, yes you can pin your left quad, but try other areas. Delts are easy, and you can out 2 - 3ml there depending on the size of your delts.

Vento is simple lean from side to side with your hand near your upper thigh and hip, you will feel a muscle flex as you lean, that is were you pin. Its essentially a hip shot. Nerve-wracking at first but once you do it once it gets simple.

Gp is good gear, but in my experience it does have some bite. So hopefully that is not the case, and your muscles are just getting used to the hormone.

21 gauge is big to be pinning bro. Use the 21g is great to draw oil with, but a 25g is perfect for just about everything.

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I draw and pin with a 1" 25g. I don't even feel it but it does take a little longer to draw the oil.

 

[tokijava]

Tok,

Your concerns regarding TRT are valid, but if you decide to do TRT I would recommend seeing an endocrinologist. He will run your panel, and more than likely prescribe you with test, so traveling with needle/syringe and your vial won't be an issue. Again think long and hard about it, as it very well could turn into a life long commitment.

Your proposal looks good, I don't see any harm in adding in 4 more weeks of test.

My only objection is with your planned next cycle, while it does go with the Run n Gun method, that will technically be your second cycle. Are you ready for every day injections? You have definitely shown you do your homework, and research. So I'm sure you know how Tren can be miserable for some. Also you have never used Prop, some get some terrible pip with it, so ater injecting every day you will need many sites you can rotate to.

Other than that, I don't see a problem with anything you have laid out. Like I said you have done your homework, asked the right questions, and show a genuine respect for the compounds used.

Just make sure you continue your AI during your cruise, then when you start the next blast, add in Caber if using any 19nor compounds like Tren, Deca, NPP.

I may however recommend you do this though.

Once you finish the current blast, Cruise for 6-8 weeks then you could do the following. AgentYes has a TPA Blend, 50mg Test Prop, 50mg Test Ace

Discontinue Test E ( cruise)
1-6 TPA 1ml 100mg EOD
1-6 NPP 1ml 100mg EOD
1-4 Dbol 30mg/ed

PCT
1 week after last shot.

Clomid 100/100/75/75/50/50
Aromasin 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5

I have been pinning ventro and dorso gluteal since I first pinned my thigh which caused some pain in certain positions and made me walk gingerly for a couple of days. I guess that subsequent pins would have less pain as muscle gets used to it? How severe pain would be with test prop and tren a? Does it cause a constant pain or only in a certain position? I think I can handle a pin/day since it is not like 2 or 3 pins (different compounds) / day.

Regarding TRT, would an endocrinologist put me on TRT even though my total test was 576 before cycle?
Would a health insurance cover it?

Finally during PCT and time off, how much should I expect to lose gains and strength realistically? I would hate to see the loses because I have really worked hard and eaten clean food. This is the reason I am interested in short cycles and came across your guns and runs writing.
So far I have gained 16lbs. in 8 weeks.

Thanks,

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I have been pinning ventro and dorso gluteal since I first pinned my thigh which caused some pain in certain positions and made me walk gingerly for a couple of days. I guess that subsequent pins would have less pain as muscle gets used to it? How severe pain would be with test prop and tren a? Does it cause a constant pain or only in a certain position? I think I can handle a pin/day since it is not like 2 or 3 pins (different compounds) / day.

Regarding TRT, would an endocrinologist put me on TRT even though my total test was 576 before cycle?
Would a health insurance cover it?

Finally during PCT and time off, how much should I expect to lose gains and strength realistically? I would hate to see the loses because I have really worked hard and eaten clean food. This is the reason I am interested in short cycles and came across your guns and runs writing.
So far I have gained 16lbs. in 8 weeks.

Thanks,

The pain from Prop can vary person to person, and brand to brand. AY/ World Pharma has some very good prop.

Ventro & Delts are my go to places.

Unfortunately now that you have cycled and plan to cruise and cycle again, then pct, you will more than likely not have those kinda levels again, we can also walk you through manipulating your levels so you show low, and further increase your chance for a script.

after your cruise and then next Blast and PCT, as long as you keep macros up, and try to lift as hard as you did while on, you should retain 80%+ of the gains. Once we get to that bridge we will cross it brother.

 

[tokijava]

The pain from Prop can vary person to person, and brand to brand. AY/ World Pharma has some very good prop.

Ventro & Delts are my go to places.

Unfortunately now that you have cycled and plan to cruise and cycle again, then pct, you will more than likely not have those kinda levels again, we can also walk you through manipulating your levels so you show low, and further increase your chance for a script.

after your cruise and then next Blast and PCT, as long as you keep macros up, and try to lift as hard as you did while on, you should retain 80%+ of the gains. Once we get to that bridge we will cross it brother.

Again, thanks for your advise.