First time poster, advice?

[danilee]

Hi,

My name is danilee, and while I am almost brand new to ironmagazine, I have seen and lurked on a few of the most knowledgable members here, on many other boards.

I have been training hard for the past 2 years, and even dieted down to a contest ready bod...(show got canceled on me, 3 weeks out

That was 1.5 ago, and since then I have intended to compete time and again...I just never had it in me, and now think it was because I did not know how to have an offseason, and I never stopped DIETING...meaning always trying to precontest diet 365 days a year....It is hard to get the offseason look back, and actually be OK with it...

So anyways, now that I finally have come to the conclusion that an actual precontest prep is a bit off in the future(it has been suggested that my thryroid may have had some ill effects from such long term usage of themogenics, as well as low low low cal diet for extended periods of time) I love training, but I always need GOALS, I only know how to train for contest prep, so I am a bit lost in how to train and eat in a manner to get me close to my goal of competing, but not in the thick of a contest performance...

Since awhile back, I have had an active job, and I am also lost on how much training I should actually be doing now that I am physical on many days of the week...I basicly don't know how to incorporate a physical job, and other interests like hiking and bikrams yoga WITH heavy training...I also am at a loss on how to eat in a manner that is conducive to gains...

Sorry I rambled, but if anyone has any imput and advice, dive in.


Thanks All
Danilee

 

[Leniox]

Do what you feel is best.

 

[Pitboss]

What are you looking for from your body? Size? Lean.. hmm are you looking at body building or fitness/figure??? And what do you do for work that you consider so physical??

oh and sorry but I am assuming you are a woman....

 

[bigss75]

Originally posted by Leniox
Do what you feel is best.

Come on man at least try to give her some real advice.

 

[Fade]

Give an example of your diet.

 

[danilee]

Hey,

Thanks for the replys...

Yes I am a female

I tried to post some pics on the members forum, but it keeps on telling me the file is too large I can't figure out how to make the file smaller...Anyone Know???

I am a dancer to answer your question...Often times I will be active for 4-5 hours straight..I don't do it full time though, one of the reasons being I can't seem to train with ANY intensity the day after a night of work...when I work more often and train often it seems I get softer all over instead of leaning out, like one would think would happen with more activity...I also feel real run down..Schedule gets irregular a bit...I just don't know how much I should be eating to support this...

I am natural, and have been training a year..>Believe it or not, but in the industry I am in, most of the fit looking girls juice...some hardly train...Other rec drugs can keep you lean without much work, but I am not into that, and want to live a clean lifestyle...I don't mind gear so much, may consider it in the next year or so if my lifts keep going down....Yes they are going DOWN...

If someone can help me post a pic I would be grateful..

Diet recently started following NHE
2 carb ups a week, with low carb the other days...Really just trying to maintain.

Thanks all

Danilee

 

[danilee]

OH,

And I think I could do both, bodybuilding and figure training. I like the bodybuilding mentality, and I like thick full size. So, yeah size(which I think I have to a small degree) if somone could help me post a pic I would be open to any suggestions.

My diet is not precontest at all, and the 2 carb ups consist of any and all food I want...Sometimes just a few pb and jelly sandwichs, sometimes a burger with a big dessert..I am trying to maintain a healthy variety(which I did not know for the longest) but I understand large diner cake desserts 2 times a week may creep up on me

I am eating on a non carb day about 120 grams of fat 240-280 pro and under 40 gs of carbs sometimes 20 grams..So about 200 cals

I am 5f6i 140(or so)
I don't weigh myself often or measure myself, makes me focus too much on numbers...So if I get some pics up we can all be on the same page..

Ok
Thanks again
Danilee

 

[kuso]

danilee...check your private messages

 

[danilee]

kuso

check your pms

 

[kuso]

danilee....I`m up I mean, You`re up ---> http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=106713#post106713

 

[Robboe]

Can i enquire to what thermogenics you were using?

And did you have much success with NHE? (I really like that book.)

 

[danilee]

Chicken daddy,

Themogenics were the popular brands...Ripped fuel, H-cut ect..
I just stayed on them way to long, depended on them actually to maintain contest or near shape and training...I had to give them up to actually regain energy...Took a long time to get over not using them....You realize the false energy it gives you...I wanted to start listening to my body and its natural signs on energy levels. Still listening, and learning.

NHE was a really good book...I like most of Faigins ideas, and the indepth research was amazing. All this coming from a lawyer no less...He says he is an expert in research...And that he thinks"outside the box" I would say so...

I always found myself with what Faigin calls hormonal hunger, and I really feel it a few hours after a high sugar carb up...I think that his recommendations for obtaining a healthy lean maintainable bodyfat level 10% -12% for men and 14-18% for women are right on the money...Right now though I am debating on using the bodybuilders program, OR restricting and measuring foods on the general program...He does not give precise recommendations, as the book really is for a healthy body not a precontest or photo ready body, and I am playing with what I will need to do food wise and caloire wise to obtain more conditioning or size(not sure which yet)

I have only been following it for about 6 weeks(and carbing up on not so lowfat or sugar free foods as he suggests) but I pretty much have stopped all cardio(just work and maybe 1 session a week at the gym) train only 2-3 days a week, and not really exp. any insulin instability at all(even if I used just oats for carbs and ate 40 percent carbs a day, I still craved sugar and got shaky after 2 hours without eating)...I don't measure food or fats, and that is a first for me...I see though, that the cheescake carb ups will have to go, cuz I think I see some bodyfat creeping on. I think for the general population, and the maintainace of healthy bodyfat levels without obessing over numbers and getting insulin shaky, it is a great program...BUT.....

What does one do to take it to more extremes? HMMMM...Trying to figure that out, and still be within the confines of the NHE program....

What do you think?

danilee

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by danilee
Chicken daddy,

Themogenics were the popular brands...Ripped fuel, H-cut ect..
I just stayed on them way to long, depended on them actually to maintain contest or near shape and training...I had to give them up to actually regain energy...Took a long time to get over not using them....You realize the false energy it gives you...I wanted to start listening to my body and its natural signs on energy levels. Still listening, and learning.

But you've come off them totally right now though, right? You need to let your Beta-2 receptors upregulate before you even consider using thermos again.

NHE was a really good book...I like most of Faigins ideas, and the indepth research was amazing. All this coming from a lawyer no less...He says he is an expert in research...And that he thinks"outside the box" I would say so...

Yeah, i enjoyed NHE too, but i do think he's focused a bit too much on hGH and kinda ignored other potential aspects that come into play such as catacolmites (sp?) etc.. Nevertheless it's a great book and he really does give a lot of proof for his ideas.

I always found myself with what Faigin calls hormonal hunger, and I really feel it a few hours after a high sugar carb up

Yeah, this is why rob recommends your carb up meals right before bed. This way you don't feel the hormonal hunger (cause you'll be asleep by then), and you don't feel the grogginess from the seritonnin boost or the eventual insulin decline. I suppose it's also so you don't have any further meals that day (which will be fat and protein) so you never take in the fat while insulin levels are high.

...I think that his recommendations for obtaining a healthy lean maintainable bodyfat level 10% -12% for men and 14-18% for women are right on the money...Right now though I am debating on using the bodybuilders program, OR restricting and measuring foods on the general program...He does not give precise recommendations, as the book really is for a healthy body not a precontest or photo ready body, and I am playing with what I will need to do food wise and caloire wise to obtain more conditioning or size(not sure which yet)

Yeah, i know Rob gives a lot about not counting calories, but i believe this is really only so the "average" person who finds dieting a pain in the ass won't get bored with figures and give up straight away. I do think that for consistent bodyfat reductions that you do have to tally up calories and be sure to reduce them when you're fat loss stalls a bit.At the end of the day, hormone effects do play a significant part, but if you're eating more cals than you're burning then you're gonna add weight and not drop it.

I have only been following it for about 6 weeks(and carbing up on not so lowfat or sugar free foods as he suggests) but I pretty much have stopped all cardio(just work and maybe 1 session a week at the gym) train only 2-3 days a week, and not really exp. any insulin instability at all(even if I used just oats for carbs and ate 40 percent carbs a day, I still craved sugar and got shaky after 2 hours without eating)...I don't measure food or fats, and that is a first for me...I see though, that the cheescake carb ups will have to go, cuz I think I see some bodyfat creeping on. I think for the general population, and the maintainace of healthy bodyfat levels without obessing over numbers and getting insulin shaky, it is a great program...BUT.....

What cardio are you doing? HIIT? If you wanna get leaner i reckon you should do most of it via diet and save your cardio as a "wild card" if you will - pull it out near the end of the cuting phase.

And just for clarity, are you saying that you're not getting shaky etc.. on NHE?

So you seem indecisive - do you want to gain or cut?

What does one do to take it to more extremes? HMMMM...Trying to figure that out, and still be within the confines of the NHE program....

What do you think?

danilee

How do you mean "extremes"? Are you referring to making it more Bodybuilding friendly and less "average-person" oriented?

 

[danilee]

chicken daddy

HI,

Yes, no sugar shakes on NHE...

Little to no cardio hiit once a week...]

Finding energy levels a bit low, not sure if I am eating enough on a regualr basis...I know I am eating plenty OVERALL hence the large carb ups that probably are stalling any fat loss, or maybe adding to it

By extemes yes I mean bodybuilding friendly...Not sure at which caloire level I should be at given that I am not ready to compete I think for at least a year, but I want to still train hard, work, and do other things in life...Need to find that balance...Came here for help...

Thanks for the input, and agree totally on the thoughts that cals really do count in the end...In defense of Faigin though, I have to say, I am NEVER satisfied and will coninue to eat large amounts of cals on a higher carb diet...My appetite is not self regulating with carbs...So, he claims that appetite will regulate and with the regulation you will become healthy and NORMAL...Bodybuilders are not normal though...I know I can't be hungry and worn out for the next year before I compete,...I gots stuff to do...Like earn money and such...So, I guess I want to SLOWLY lean out or maintain bodyfat levels and add muscle...I know I know I can't CUT and build at the same time...But does my ass need to grow with my biceps Trying to find that sweet spot, and I won't lie I am considering gear...Recovery SUCKS big time at this point...Don't know if it is diet induced or just a natty can't maintain ultra high levels of activity WITH heavy intenste training AND a limited diet indefintly....

Input eagerly waiting to be recieved...

danilee

 

[ZECH]

Danilee, I really think you main goal here is to concentrate on your diet! Steriods may help you, but only in the short term if you don't stay on them! And IMO, if you don't know what you are doing, they will do you more harm than good, not to mention all the side effects. You are too beautiful IMO to mess with steriods.
I hate to say this but W8 really knows her shyt when it comes to womens nutrition. Get with her and you two work out a diet plan. Along with the diet, work in at least three days of weight training and cardio, and believe me, your body will be all it can be in no time! But don't get me wrong....It takes a lot of dedication and hard work!! After a while it gets to be a habit and you look forward to it!! We are here to help whenever we can! Good luck! Love to see more pics also!!!!!!!

 

[Robboe]

If your recovery is sucky then it' either means you're doing too much in the gym or you're not eating enough cals.

Do me a favour and tally up all the cals you're currently eating and tell us your current training routine.