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So I have this cat.
Her name is Fluffy. Please note, female cat.
Fluffy is a little ... fluffy, weight-wise. But believes she has a fairly decent, if not body-builder-esque, layer of muscle under the fluff. And would like to get rid of the fluff.

Fluffy recently tried cutting a little but failed miserably since she's so damn ravenous after lifting weights. Eating nice lean food is not that hard for Fluffy but she likes a lot of it.

Fluffy may benefit from a round of anavar, if my research is correct, and said research continues. Problem is, Fluffy is on 30mg a day of lisinopril, an ACE inhibitor, for high blood pressure. Said BP fluctuates during the day, and Fluffy takes 10mg pills 3x a day rather than the usual 30mg pill. Now the BP is controlled, but anavar is supposed to increase BP in some instances. Fluffy is allowed to take 40mg a day without consulting her doctor, but that is not an optimal situation. (Fluffy is also on birth control, which she can drop if needed, because she's not very faithful with it. She's also on 50mg a day of Zoloft for mild anxiety, but that shouldn't be a factor if my research is correct.)

So, with a chunky Fluffy on meds, what would some of you say for an anavar-only cycle?
 
lol god damn.. fluffy takes enough shit already. I Suggest (and i know next to nothing) have fluffy take 10mgs of Anavar and up the dose as you go along to see how fluffy feels.
 
^I was reading an issue of Cat Fancy and I thought the article stated less than 80 mg of anavar is worthless for aesthetic purposes. Other articles offered 20-40 mg, however, so it seems veterinarians disagree on this topic.

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Humor aside, this is another reason why anabolics should be legalized. No one can safely discover or learn the dangers of mixing various prescription drugs. At least not quickly with a call to the pharmacy or a visit to your family doctor. You can't comfortably ask your general practitioner about the subject and they're in a position where they probably can't legally answer your question anyway. :(

Or do I have that all wrong?
 
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That's what I'm thinkin' Curt. I am prepared to ask the doc about it if I get real serious about starting Fluffy on anavar. I am prepared for both "don't even think about it" and "if Fluffy takes this without a prescription I will not be her doc anymore."

I think one of my first experiments might be to ditch Fluffy's birth control completely for a few months, as Fluffy's BP issues did start about the same time she started the birth control, which has been linked to rising BPs.
 
I'd take Heavyiron's advice. After all, he does know how to make Tren from Pellets
 
heavyiron said:
Anavar will not drive fat loss only diet and training will.

10mg anavar daily for 10 weeks on a first run for a female.
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What about a male cat?

And no PCT required?

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Kathybird said:
That's what I'm thinkin' Curt. I am prepared to ask the doc about it if I get real serious about starting Fluffy on anavar. I am prepared for both "don't even think about it" and "if Fluffy takes this without a prescription I will not be her doc anymore."

I think one of my first experiments might be to ditch Fluffy's birth control completely for a few months, as Fluffy's BP issues did start about the same time she started the birth control, which has been linked to rising BPs.
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Is there an alternate form of birth control that isn't linked to rising blood pressure?

Hopefully Fluffy's veterinarian is understanding and cooperative in this matter.
 
heavyiron said:
Anavar will not drive fat loss only diet and training will.

10mg anavar daily for 10 weeks on a first run for a female.
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Nah, I know. I'm thinking more along the lines of it's alleged properties of appetite suppression and ... targeting? ... of fat in the trunk section. (Where Fluffy's problem is.) The plan (what plan there is at this point) would be as an assist in a cutting cycle. NO junk, protein at 125 to 150g a day, lots of veggies and we'll see about fruits if Fluffy's sweet tooth can't be stomped down. Some good carbs. Not alot.

Fluffy is having a forced carb cutdown right now because she got a temporary crown and can't have her favorite carbs which include granola and hard crunchy things. So Fluffy is trying to get back into the low carb trend while she has to.
 
Curt James said:
Is there an alternate form of birth control that isn't linked to rising blood pressure?

Hopefully Fluffy's veterinarian is understanding and cooperative in this matter.
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Yeah no nookie for Fluffy. Or participating in another form of sex when Fluffy's mate finishes up.
 
Fluffy needs to review her diet if she's ravenous after weight lifting first. Anavar will help w/ recovery & strength, but if the diet isn't already producing a leaning out effect, the final result, as part of gaining lean muscle mass, is also to potentially become "thicker". When people (or cats) expect to "lean out" on an AAS, they have to understand that its not a fat burner and that if you're not already lean, you're not going to just start leaning out. The diet has to be working first.

If you're going to bother w/ a cycle, figure out how to get a diet in order so its not a feeding frenzy just because you finished lifting. I have been lifting balls to the wall since the late 80s and I have managed to cut for competition several times, lifting balls to the wall, all the way up to peak week. DIET DIET DIET. If you're starving after your training session, then get that in order or adjust your diet so you're not starving. Even consider including a carb drink DURING the training session. Your PWO meal should be part of the whole program, its not an excuse for a feeding frenzy. (I don't know what your diet is, but that's what it sounds like you're blaming the fluff on... its part of the whole cycle, and IMO a necessary part of PWO recovery - but ice cream doesn't count as PWO recovery ;) )

In all honesty, I'd get the diet in order first if that particular thing is so much of the apparent issue. If you look to any drug to "fix" the problem, you're missing the point completely. I wouldn't be surprised if you find yourself even more hungry after training because you can increase the intensity of the work you're doing both w/ improved recovery and improved strength.

And like you've already called out, any AAS has its own set of additional stresses it puts on your body ranging from blood pressure to cholesterol to yeast infections. It should be a supplement to a diet & training program that already works, not a "fix" to something that isn't working.
 
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If the eating is the problem, what is the point of cycling when she will regain her fluffiness after the cycle is done?

Put the right octane gasoline into the tank before you start bolting on power adders.
 
OK! Well Sassy answered the question I guess I wasn't asking right. (Which was will it help me... rrr... Fluffy... with a kick in the ass.)

Alright then, let's get Fluffy off the birth control and fix the diet first. Let's see what that does. I have to admit, Fluffy is seeing improvements in musculature. I think the carbs are the problem. Maybe Fluffy should be a little more Atkins and a little less South Beach.

Just picked up greek yogurt. Fluffy likes it.
 
Kathybird said:
Nah, I know. I'm thinking more along the lines of it's alleged properties of appetite suppression and ... targeting? ... of fat in the trunk section. (Where Fluffy's problem is.) The plan (what plan there is at this point) would be as an assist in a cutting cycle. NO junk, protein at 125 to 150g a day, lots of veggies and we'll see about fruits if Fluffy's sweet tooth can't be stomped down. Some good carbs. Not alot.

Fluffy is having a forced carb cutdown right now because she got a temporary crown and can't have her favorite carbs which include granola and hard crunchy things. So Fluffy is trying to get back into the low carb trend while she has to.
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Estrogen leads to female fat pattern distribution so you need to dump the BC. Anavar does not supress appetite, in fact it was designed for woman and children burn victims to increase LBM.

Have you ever had your thyroid checked? You may consider T3 or stimulants as well as the anavar.

You need to do a ton of cardio also.
 
heavyiron said:
Estrogen leads to female fat pattern distribution so you need to dump the BC. Anavar does not supress appetite, in fact it was designed for woman and children burn victims to increase LBM.

Have you ever had your thyroid checked? You may consider T3 or stimulants as well as the anavar.

You need to do a ton of cardio also.
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I hesitate to just say dump the BC - it regulates estrogen - very low dose BC should not be a big contributor to problems. I'd also rather see a diet in place to manage typical "bodyfat" problems. Dropping BC does mean you have no birth control and for some that's not a practical option. I might also suggest a non-hormonal alternative like an IUD.

I"m also not going to encourage self-medicating w/ T3. I'll be really honest here - this is a muscle site and particularly guys are really all that concerned about throwing in a bunch of different chemicals to manipulate things. Most women do NOT do that except in the case of physique competition. Especially for women I think there's so much more to be said for orking on your diet & training program. Seriously - if you have not spent time tweaking your diet (and I don't just mean over the last three and "diet" isn't just what you're eating right now, but over time, like years), then you haven't even scraped off the top of the variety of things you can do to achieve the results you want.

You've already pointed out a bunch of different potential issues in terms of diet, and you haven't mentioned cardio. Personally I've found that if I want RESULTS, it requires a tight diet, but not a starvation diet, and for me since an avg of 1 hr of training balls to the wall per day, this is the "lifestyle" my body has already adapted to, I need 1-2 hrs of cardio (I do steady-state because I just find it something I am more likely to be able to do w/o a tweaked knee or something) to get to a certain place. That place, for me, is a competition result. For a "happy place" w/ maintenance, I'm looking more at 1 hr cardio/day where I want to be and then maintain.

I get that the chemicals will "help" but at the end of the day you still have to come off all of this stuff and rely on your own diet & training to stay wherever you think you are going to end up. And in some cases, it won't stay because you don't have that artificial manipulation in place to force it.

Not trying to be a hardass but I really want to stay focused on the things that WILL work before complicating it all w/ "I want to try < fill in the blank> because I heard it does < this or that>". Spend time learning how to manipulate your diet & training (and be honestly consistent about) as this is what will get you what you want, won't introduce a whole bunch of other issues and lets you learn how YOUR body responds to the various tweaks. I did my first specific "cutting diet" for a trip to Cozumel in 1993.. 6 BB competitoins, 10 total preps and 17 yrs of dieting for this & that result since then and I'm still learning.
 
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Caution Zoloft may cause the patient to see a fluffy kitty in the mirror.


j/k.. couldn't resist.
 
I don't know much about BC personally, but I have seen a lot of girls blow up once they get on the pill. And it is stated as a side effect.
 
Actually, anavar does have some fat burning effects. It does so by upregulating the androgen receptor in adipose tissue increasing lipolysis. I rember reading a study where oxandrolone caused a reduction in visceral fat and subQ abdominal fat where test did not and nandrolone increased visceral fat. This was in men.

But diet is the key for significant weight loss, no argument there.
 
OK, Fluffy has begun using her new food scale and measuring food. She is also considering getting a Droid to cart around some kind of fitday app.

Fluffy is sick and tired. BP has been up for 2 days and Fluffy has been feeling like crap.
 
I'm no expert in this area and dont claim to be. I'm also making an assumption here but I wanna throw this at ya "Fluffy" just so your aware. My assumption is that your on hormonal birth control rather than permanent "sterilization" cause you fancy the idea of maybe having a baby sometime in the future. IF this is the case work of the weight without aas there are many reports of fertility issues with women who have used aas. Again I'm only repeating things I have read or heard from other sources and have no clinical basis for these statements. Good Luck
 
jcar1016 said:
I'm no expert in this area and dont claim to be. I'm also making an assumption here but I wanna throw this at ya "Fluffy" just so your aware. My assumption is that your on hormonal birth control rather than permanent "sterilization" cause you fancy the idea of maybe having a baby sometime in the future. IF this is the case work of the weight without aas there are many reports of fertility issues with women who have used aas. Again I'm only repeating things I have read or heard from other sources and have no clinical basis for these statements. Good Luck
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And the other side, anecodotally, I know plenty of women who have had kids w/ no issues post AAS. Its a very broad statement to get into a discussion wtih. Also just saying.
 
Interesting subject. I'm on the BC because I don't want any more kids (I have one, had a hard time with the pregnancy and I'm too damn old anyway) but sterilization is not a. in my budget; b. won't get paid for by military insurance unless it's a health issue; and c. sounds damn painful.

Fluffy tracked every damn drop that went in her mouth today and DAMN Fluffy drinks a lot of OJ. 5-600 calories' worth.
 
sassy69 said:
And the other side, anecodotally, I know plenty of women who have had kids w/ no issues post AAS. Its a very broad statement to get into a discussion wtih. Also just saying.
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I have used massive amounts of steroids for decades and my wife has run a few cycles and our baby boy is just fine.
 
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