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jesus christ relax I'm about to change it. I didn't read the thread I just saw the title and the pics. Wow. I didn't realize a fat bitch would make someone so mad.
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Frank Shamrock vs. Renzo Gracie - Feb 10th
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jesus christ relax I'm about to change it. I didn't read the thread I just saw the title and the pics. Wow. I didn't realize a fat bitch would make someone so mad.
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Easy sparky ... I am still trying to cope with you calling Frank Shamrock a clown ...
I've always liked Frank I was just jokin around. I think he'd KO Renzo when it's all said and done.
i could post some sexy gay guys in here
the thread title contained "romantic images". there is nothing romantic about an image that aims to make people feel disgusted.
Calling Shamrock a clown ...i could post some sexy gay guys in here
. See ... you pissed off the MMA Gods and they sent Little Wing to torment you. You should be more careful cause Little Wing will kick your ass in a hot second.
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It gives me butterflies. That's my dreamgirl.
Shamrock did two knee strikes to the head ... only illegal because they hit the BACK of the head. Otherwise knee strikes from the ground to the front or side of the head and the body were deemed to be legal. Apparently you weren't aware of that. Apparently you do not know MMA very well. Apparently you should learn MMA better before you hit the submit button in an MMA thread. Apparently you are a Gracie fan and have no real relationship with reality. I remember when what's his name ... that old Gracie that Hughes destroyed ... was beaten down severely. You lost it and couldn't accept the defeat of your hero. Is this a flashback? Does another Gracie getting waxed exceed the abilities of your coping mechanisms? Your posts normally make me laugh BigD ... I hope you don't go crazy over this and get all
I didn't actually get to watch it so I'm going by hearsay. But I did watch the renzo and shamrock post fight videos. I also read the fight commentary, and sherdog had gracie winning the first round.
If someone hits someone else with an illegal strike intended or not, that is not allowed. Also if the opponent cannot continue, it's a DQ. Those are the rules, and if you don't like them, you shouldn't be watching it.
It looks like you're trying to gang up on me with the usual suspects. I don't really care. Not taking the bait.
I used to think you were cool. Now I'm having second thoughts.
I used to think you were cool. Now I'm having second thoughts.
Stop trying to be cute. Can you post where you saw Renzo winning the 1st round?
Sorry but that is incorrect. It must be intentional to be a DQ in most franchises. Add to that it normally requires repeated offenses and at least one warning, unless it's a particularly grievous offense. There were no priors in this case, and no warnings. This should have been a loss to Gracie. This is far from the first time a weaker fighter took a foul and tried to play it out to the win.
Example: Tyson Holyfield. It took two separate chunks of Holyfield's ears one off of each side for Tyson to get the DQ. Normally the injured fighter has five minutes to recover then he either fights or is declared the loser. Holyfield was given time then required to fight.
The casual declaration of a DQ on this kind of deal is to prevent this exact kind of ending to a world class fight. Look at it this way ... if every time the losing fighter laid down from a foul ... what would become of the sport?
BTW ... I know that sherdog is one of the premier MMA sites but they are shit. The opinions there are effected too much by outside influences ... instead of remaining pure to the sport of MMA. The people that post there are mostly assholes who spend more time insulting people then discussing the sport. I use to be one of them 'till I got bored with it. Do not make the mistake of relying on sherdog for an accurate report of what's what or what's right in MMA ... they are all for sale over there at sherdog.
It looks like you're trying to gang up on me with the usual suspects. I don't really care. Not taking the bait.I used to think you were cool. Now I'm having second thoughts.
Take the bait ... please do. I challenge you often now because you put your self in that position. Fire back at me with intellect and maturity. Don't avoid the issues or go off half cocked ... do the research and hit back. You will improve your debate skills AND your knowledge of MMA ... plus we'll have a little fun along the way. I don't get mad very easily.
I have not joined forces with anyone BigD. Not my style. I call em like I see em. This is not the first time you and I have disagreed on an MMA event and it wont be the last. You did state that you hadn't watched the fight ... so why did you start commenting on a fight you didn't watch? I would not even consider doing that because I would be too worried about making a fool of myself. I would never stand behind a fighter just because I'm a fan of that fighter or the family he hails from. If my guy loses he loses. If he pulls some kind of whacked out shit I'll call 'em on it. I value the sport of MMA above all of it's practitioners too much to allow any one I'm a fan of to fuck this sport up.
And for the record ... I think your posts are humorous. You say shit just to be obtuse ... I like that. But; when you say stupid shit you will get nailed on it every time. Not that everyone is out to get you, just that you pissed everyone off so we all respond in turn each in our own way.
I apologize to you if I've been to abrupt with you, I will attempt to be less caustic ... sorry BigDyl. Seriously.
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You can be be caustic, he can take it.
How many knees were there to the head? 2? 3?
It really didnt look that unsportsman like to me. I wouldve given a warning (one I know he heard) and possibly stood them up...possibly.
How many knees were there to the head? 2? 3?
It really didnt look that unsportsman like to me. I wouldve given a warning (one I know he heard) and possibly stood them up...possibly.
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You could tell it wasn't intentional. Herb Dean just stood there both times when Frank hit him with the knees, even in the reverse angle view you could see he was just standing there watchin them. The fight should have been stood up. It didn't matter for renzo though. If he stood up, he would have got knocked out. If he stayed on the ground, his ribs would have got broke and he still would have got knocked out. It's ashame to see that happen, but Herb Dean should have had better knowledge than to just let renzo lay on top of frank.
click on the user, you will find part 2 in his videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pgHlmN2Rnc
Herb definitely had orders from head quarters to stop the lay and pray. He had been standing them up a bit more quickly than he would have had he been reffing a UFC match. I just think this one got away from Herb and he made a bad call.
You had to really look at the slow mo' to see it was the back of the head getting contact on the two knees, so from a certain angle he may not have even realized they were illegal ... he may have just seen knees flying and thought it was all good.
Regardless the Gracie family has taken another shot in the ass on this one ... which kinda sucks. The Gracie family has earned their way up the food chain and deserves better than this tool bitching out on a bogus foul for the DQ. The guys I roll with here locally to a man all say that this was bullshit and that they woulda kept on fighting, and would have been embarrassed to have had to stop the fight over a few LAME WEAK knees like that. We all take shots to the head when we fight ... it's supposed to be a matter of pride that you can take the shot and get the win ... not take the foul to get the DQ. That was shameful, absolutely shameful.
And BigD I wanna again apologize if I hurt your feelings. Rich46yo was an asshole and I flamed him often. I enjoyed it and I buried him. There were a few other people that used to be here and are gone now that I also took great pleasure in harassing ... you're not one of them and I don't want you to think you are. We cool homie ... no worries.
You had to really look at the slow mo' to see it was the back of the head getting contact on the two knees, so from a certain angle he may not have even realized they were illegal ... he may have just seen knees flying and thought it was all good.
Regardless the Gracie family has taken another shot in the ass on this one ... which kinda sucks. The Gracie family has earned their way up the food chain and deserves better than this tool bitching out on a bogus foul for the DQ. The guys I roll with here locally to a man all say that this was bullshit and that they woulda kept on fighting, and would have been embarrassed to have had to stop the fight over a few LAME WEAK knees like that. We all take shots to the head when we fight ... it's supposed to be a matter of pride that you can take the shot and get the win ... not take the foul to get the DQ. That was shameful, absolutely shameful.
And BigD I wanna again apologize if I hurt your feelings. Rich46yo was an asshole and I flamed him often. I enjoyed it and I buried him. There were a few other people that used to be here and are gone now that I also took great pleasure in harassing ... you're not one of them and I don't want you to think you are. We cool homie ... no worries.
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BC and BigDyl should get a room.....
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I just re-watched the knee part and Herb did see the knees and was halfway reacting to them. He had approached a little closer and it seemed as though he was saying something ... in the ring interview he states he had warned Shamrock. I'm thinking he gave Gracie the inspiration. "Ohhh shit the ref just called him out to stop the knee strikes on the back of the head ... I can bitch out and maybe get the DQ off of the foul". Anyone with tourney experience has been there and had it happen to them. If you ask your opponent "Hey was that a bad hit?" they always say "IT's the ref's call" and shrug ... but that is the minors not the big show.
LOL ... remember too that Shamrock has recently knocked out the other Gracie that was there in the corner with Renzo. Caesar Gracie was Renzo's manager and got knocked the fuck out in his meeting with Frank
I just re-watched the knee part and Herb did see the knees and was halfway reacting to them. He had approached a little closer and it seemed as though he was saying something ... in the ring interview he states he had warned Shamrock. I'm thinking he gave Gracie the inspiration. "Ohhh shit the ref just called him out to stop the knee strikes on the back of the head ... I can bitch out and maybe get the DQ off of the foul". Anyone with tourney experience has been there and had it happen to them. If you ask your opponent "Hey was that a bad hit?" they always say "IT's the ref's call" and shrug ... but that is the minors not the big show.
LOL ... remember too that Shamrock has recently knocked out the other Gracie that was there in the corner with Renzo. Caesar Gracie was Renzo's manager and got knocked the fuck out in his meeting with Frank
Ahh fuck you guys man com'n ... I just don't wanna be an asshole to the guy for no reason is all. I'd be nice to you too if I'd inadvertently hurt your feelings. Don't beat me down over that ...
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Were not.
You werent.
Ahh fuck you guys man com'n ... I just don't wanna be an asshole to the guy for no reason is all. I'd be nice to you too if I'd inadvertently hurt your feelings. Don't beat me down over that ...
You werent.
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That does make sense for how Gracie could react, but in the heat of battle, would expect to adhere to warnings perfectly when a grappling master has you on his back? Plus it was a matter of less than 6 seconds. In real play...
Either way, fuck it. I always thought the Gracies were boring pussies.
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*EDIT ...
I just re-watched the knee part and Herb did see the knees and was halfway reacting to them. He had approached a little closer and it seemed as though he was saying something ... in the ring interview he states he had warned Shamrock. I'm thinking he gave Gracie the inspiration. "Ohhh shit the ref just called him out to stop the knee strikes on the back of the head ... I can bitch out and maybe get the DQ off of the foul". Anyone with tourney experience has been there and had it happen to them. If you ask your opponent "Hey was that a bad hit?" they always say "IT's the ref's call" and shrug ... but that is the minors not the big show.
LOL ... remember too that Shamrock has recently knocked out the other Gracie that was there in the corner with Renzo. Caesar Gracie was Renzo's manager and got knocked the fuck out in his meeting with Frank
I felt bad for Caesar. He got demolished.
I loved his post fight interview. He wasn't a whiny lil girly man. "I was over matched and got knocked out" ... classic honesty. I respect him for that ...
Krazy Horse getting sub'd ... still an entertainer. He'd be a pain in the ass to fight.
