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If these were my choices:Monolith said:Asking for the exact amounts of each ingredient is like asking that "someone" to give you all their work for free.
Product #1: Clenbuterol 200 mg/ml
Product #2: Clenbuterol (We don't want to tell you how much is in there--just trust us that is the best you can buy)
The choice wouldn't be hard. Same goes for every supplement I take. I wan't to know what I am dealing with. I agree that they have to protect their recipe, but as a consumer I'd rather be more informed.
you know, you are really disregarding the fact that he is willing to mail out free samples of his product (this is not cheap to do), that alone displays a lot of integrity and confidence in the formula...give the guy a break already, he has his reasons for not disclosing exact mg's.
PirateFromHell said:
No offense, but that is a retarded example.
Do you see any products that sell protein without disclosing the quantity? No.
Do you sell any single ingredient products available without disclosing the quantity? No.
Legitimate companies use proprietary blends for legitimate reasons. This occurs when a company uses new/novel/previously ignored compounds and/or where several compounds have synergistic effects. And this occurs when the product is effective and will be quickly copied unless it is difficult to do so.
Sure, it will eventually get copied anyway, but there has to be some way to protect novel "property".
On the other hand, there are many proprietary formulas that are bunk, and so in general it is good to be wary.
If a proprietary blend is a critical point of difference for a supplement company they should apply for a patent just like SNAC Systems, Inc did for their crappy ZMA process/formulation.
When companies labor the point of proprietary blends and offer limited information to consumers they end up sounding like MuscleTech. The fact is consumers are very wary about dietary supplements and for good reason. This is probably more true in the bodybuilding market where 80%+ of the supplements are ineffective or junk.
I'm not saying Neurostim is junk, it's probably a good product but I don't have all the facts to make a conclusive judgment.
When companies labor the point of proprietary blends and offer limited information to consumers they end up sounding like MuscleTech. The fact is consumers are very wary about dietary supplements and for good reason. This is probably more true in the bodybuilding market where 80%+ of the supplements are ineffective or junk.
I'm not saying Neurostim is junk, it's probably a good product but I don't have all the facts to make a conclusive judgment.
As I stated various times on this thread, I understand the reasoning for withholding the quantity of ingredients by calling it "proprietary", and therefore protecting the product from copycats. I never said they shouldn't do it or that it was unethical or anything like that. My point was this: as a consumer, I would prefer to know how much of a given ingredient I am consuming. You use protein in your example. There are whey blends that brag about having some hydrolyzed, some ultra-filtered, some ion-exchange, and some micro-filtered whey mixed together. But, they don't specify how much of each. Some do, some don't. My Optimum Nutrition 100% whey doesn't say how much of each is in it. I'm sure the info can be found, but ON didn't bother to put the amounts on my package. I'd be willing to bet that the cheaper wheys are much more prominent. I believe this make your example a little more retarded than mine. At least I didn't answer my own question wrong.Twin Peak said:
I tried it! It taste like a cool glass of lemonade. I enjoyed it.
Made my workouts much better and more intense too.
Dont take my word for it......You have to try it for yourself.
The first time I tried it, I knew it was working!
Give it a shot...its a free sample!!
Made my workouts much better and more intense too.
Dont take my word for it......You have to try it for yourself.
The first time I tried it, I knew it was working!
Give it a shot...its a free sample!!
Day two of my Neurostim use. So far all I get is - excuse me, ladies -.........*ehem*....... "the runs". Almost immediately afterwards too. Within the hour, Id say. No notice in alertness or anything. Just......runs.
got mine too, have not tried yet.
one thing I wonder about samples is if they make the samples much more potent than the real product so when you use the sample it works great and then you buy it.
my samples of VPX Redline seemed much more potent than the actual product.
one thing I wonder about samples is if they make the samples much more potent than the real product so when you use the sample it works great and then you buy it.
my samples of VPX Redline seemed much more potent than the actual product.
Now THATS a thought!!........dang. That explains a lot.Robert DiMaggio said:one thing I wonder about samples is if they make the samples much more potent than the real product so when you use the sample it works great and then you buy it.
my samples of VPX Redline seemed much more potent than the actual product.
Ok. Thought Id re-vive this thread with some news, simply because I promised.
Im almost finished with the tub of Neurostim that I won for 10 bucks. Im not impressed.
No mental alertness, no energy, no nothing. As a matter of fact, I was able to take a kick ass nap the other day an hour after taking some.
Oh, but the runs did stop
Im almost finished with the tub of Neurostim that I won for 10 bucks. Im not impressed.
No mental alertness, no energy, no nothing. As a matter of fact, I was able to take a kick ass nap the other day an hour after taking some.
Oh, but the runs did stop
