Funny analysis of Religion

[irontime]

Originally posted by ragingbull
IT- Your referance to "But god MADE the Phaoro's heart cold and he called for his guards to get his slaves back." Starts in Exodus 7 and ends in Exodus 11. The Bible stated that pharaoh's heart was harden toward God not the other way around. It states this several time

Arrggghhh back again
Then this just goes towards my theory that when a point is made in the bible that people do not, like they change the view of it to suit their needs or to euphanise it. When I had this discussion it specifically said 'god made his heart cold' obviously it has been altered to make it more desriable to the reader. Alright I'm trying to leave this alone again.

 

[tidalwaverus]

I???m very knowledgeable when it come to this subject I???m not trying to convert anyone here. This seems to be an adult debate.

First, the answer is NASB Genesis 7 verse 2 ??? you shall take with you of every clean animal by SEVEN, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean TWO, A MALE AND HIS FEMALE.

How can you quote what you don???t know? People do it all the time the bible says this and that, ya right ,are you sure. Have you read it your self?


Did any of you read why you should ???eat and drink for tomorrow you die???
Anyone know the answer? then I could tell it says anything you wouldn't know differance.

P.S. IT
GOD hardened his heart the hebrew word is chazaq
look it up for yourself don't take my word for it

 

[ZECH]

Prince refered to the interpertation of the bible in one of his posts.........You have to have the original greek and hebrew version. All this new crap is usless.

 

[tidalwaverus]

My point is interpertion .........that's in last 100 years we went from 20 to over a 100+ religions all disagree on one thing the bible.

My second point most people quote what someone else has told them and never read it to be sure that's what is says. Because most of the time they get it wrong.

My third point is unless you read it for your self how are you going to know what the truth is ?

but nobody knows because nobody read it ?

Prince you read it and I will something about science and the bible for ya. All but 30 seconds to read it, maybe longer to find it

But then you would know why you should "eat and drink for tomorrow you die"

P.S. I do have org. greek and hebew because alot of people do that too. It's says this and that. Nice to know the truth.

If this gets personal I don't want any part of! DEBATE ONLY

 

[Arnold]

It does not matter if you read it now, my point was it has been translated so many times that it has lost it's original meaning.

 

[tidalwaverus]

But that's true and not true.

example: hard to read but the org. King James is the most arcurate translation From greek and hebrew it matches the dead sea scrolls.

Example: the worse being the J W's holy scriptures which is not called a bible anymore becaused they got into a law suit over it and LOST! no offence

Depends on how well read you are.

 

[Arnold]

okay, then tell me the original meaning of hell.

just a hint, it has nothing to do with the devil or a hot, burning underground world where sinners go.

 

[tidalwaverus]

Got to go to work now I'll do it when I get home.

 

[mmafiter]

 

[mmafiter]

Just kidding guys!

 

[tidalwaverus]

Our present meaning of "hell" then applies to gehenna, but not to the other word hades or sheol. "hell" fromerly did apply when the A.V. of the bible was writen:it then meant "hole," "hollow,"or unseen place. Shoel comes from a "root to make hollow,"the common receptacle of the dead below(Num.16.30,Deut.32.22)
that's a short answer.

now will you answer mine ?

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
Our present meaning of "hell" then applies to gehenna, but not to the other word hades or sheol. "hell" fromerly did apply when the A.V. of the bible was writen:it then meant "hole," "hollow,"or unseen place. Shoel comes from a "root to make hollow,"the common receptacle of the dead below(Num.16.30,Deut.32.22)
that's a short answer.

now will you answer mine ?

not sure where you dug that up from, maybe an internet search?

but that is not the original meaning, or story of hell, the reason you cannot do the research to find it, or at least not easily, is because there is no original meaning of "hell", that is a mis-translation of the original story.

you would have to go to the original transcripts, and be capable of translating them to get the real story. I could give you the basic story, but not all of the exact details because it was something that I studied around 10 years ago in college.

I am reluctant to tell the story because I am not capable of giving full detail...let me see if I can find some documentation from school on it.


What question did you ask me that I did not answer?

 

[Freeman]

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
But that's true and not true.

example: hard to read but the org. King James is the most arcurate translation From greek and hebrew it matches the dead sea scrolls.

Example: the worse being the J W's holy scriptures which is not called a bible anymore becaused they got into a law suit over it and LOST! no offence

Depends on how well read you are.

Religions suing religions...am I the only one finding this absolutely hilarious??

Think god would be happy?

 

[craig777]

This is kind of funny. The word hell does not appear in the Bible so this argument is total irrelevant to anything. It is arguing apples and oranges. The two words that appear in the Bible are sheol and gehenna. They are very poorly translated to be the english word hell. They are not equivalent It is the meaning of those two words, sheol and gehenna, that is important when doing a Bible study. Look them up in your Hebrew and Greek concordance. The original meaning of the word hell is totally irrelevant to the Bible. I could say that seeing Albob naked would be hell. It doesn't matter at all what we think hell is, and there isn't a guy there with a three pronged pitch fork all dressed in red either.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by craig777
This is kind of funny. The word hell does not appear in the Bible so this argument is total irrelevant to anything. It is arguing apples and oranges. The two words that appear in the Bible are sheol and gehenna.

that is because the bible is constantly being "revised". I guess god continues to speak to select individuals and tells them how to rewrite it.

 

[Freeman]

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by Prince
that is because the bible is constantly being "revised". I guess god continues to speak to select individuals and tells them how to rewrite it.

Now you are getting it Prince. When you study the Bible the first thing you do is go and find the exact words that were used, then you go and find out what the writer was truly trying to say. You can basically throw out the English word or words that were used in translation. When I study the Bible I don't even care what English words are used. I never ever even use an English Dictionary. There are really no good translations that is why you have to go back to the Hebrew and Greek and study that.

The English language is really not a very good one.

 

[craig777]

And the reason there are so many translations of the Bible is because of just what we are doing here, we don't like what one translater used for a certain Greek or Hebrew word so off goes someone else to do another translation.

Good grief

 

[Arnold]

no matter what version or translation you use, I still firmly believe that the bible should be used metaphorically, do not try to literalize the stories.

are you familiar with the story of the boy who cried wolf? I am sure you are, most people read it in elementary school. It is a great little story with a good moral, but do you really think it was true? anyone with intelligence knows that the story is a metaphor, and has a underlying moral about lying.

 

[Freeman]

Hell, you dont' even need to be THAT intelligent to know that the boy/wolf story is a metaphor...a STORY!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by freeman1504
Hell, you dont' even need to be THAT intelligent to know that the boy/wolf story is a metaphor...a STORY!

exactly, so why is it so difficult for people to understand that the bible is metaphorical?

 

[Jodi]

I don't like to get involved in these conversations because I have no facts to back up my beliefs.

What I came in here to say is that saying the Bible and its stories are metaphorical is probably the best explanation I have ever heard.

Who is to say that the book was not written as stories and should be used as words of wisdom or words to live by or morals for that matter. I really liked that explanation.

 

[ragingbull]

When you say that the bible IS based off "Medaphores". What factual evidence to you have to backup that claim.

Just because you don't believe that a particular "story" could happen doesn't mean it didn't. Remember, in the old testiment, God had not yet sent his son. So, one of the ways that God could demonstrate his power to the people was through miracles.

Put yourself in their shoes, would you ever believe in God if he never domonstrated his power to you and do it in a significant way. Probable not.

 

[Arnold]

You're confusing my opinions here, I never said that I don't believe in god, I said that I cannot prove god does not exist, and no one can prove that god does exist.

My problem lies within christianity and it's beliefs.

Why would I or anyone else have to disprove the stories in the bible? You're saying that they should be regarded as truth because......why?

 

[Arnold]

basically what I meant was I do not think that the onus is on my shoulders to disprove the bible, I see it the exact opposite.

 

[Freeman]

I'm with Prince on this one.

If I say, "well, you can't prove it either way...for or against" then the response I've often gotten by christians has been "but that's the way it is" or "because the bible says so" or "because I believe it to be that way"...well, that may be well and good, but just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's true...by the same token, it doesn't mean it's not true (ok ok I know, double negatives..fuck off!)

anyways, I believe that I have a small wanker....now, whether tha'ts true or not is up to all the ladies

 

[Jodi]

Freeman I can't say that would have been my choice of analogies!

 

[coleman]

i believe religion formed out of lack of understanding. i can't remember the movie exactly but in the opening scene, a coke bottle dropeed from out of an aeroplane landed amongst a group of African tribesmen. they can't explain the coke bottle, so assume it has something to do with a God.

We, with more understanding, know exactly what happened and know it has nothing to do with God.

I believe it's the same with the beginning of Christianity.

Person A: How did that ball of light form?
Person B: I don't know, maybe God put it there.
A: Whose God?
B: This all powerful being that created everything.
A: Oh okay then

Nowadays, we all know the real explaination for how the Sun came to be (gravity, gases, fusion), but still some claim it to be God simply because of the tradition created by some guy a few thousand years ago who used some non-visible being to explain away everything he didn't understand.

 

[ragingbull]

If you are saying that religion formed out of a lack understanding than you are saying that science is understanding. That being the case explain the second law of thermodynamics (everything in existance goes from a more complex form to a lesser complex form) ie. everything degrades. So how is it that evolution can occur. Fact is it can't, according to science.

The Sun came from (Fusion, Gas, Gravity). Take it back a step further. Where did fusion, gas and gravity come from. Had to come from somewhere. "Big Band" where everything in the universe came from somthing smaller than an atom? Come on. It takes more faith to believe that everything universal came from nothing than to believe it was created.

 

[Freeman]

Originally posted by coleman
i believe religion formed out of lack of understanding. i can't remember the movie exactly but in the opening scene, a coke bottle dropeed from out of an aeroplane landed amongst a group of African tribesmen. they can't explain the coke bottle, so assume it has something to do with a God.

We, with more understanding, know exactly what happened and know it has nothing to do with God.

I believe it's the same with the beginning of Christianity.

Person A: How did that ball of light form?
Person B: I don't know, maybe God put it there.
A: Whose God?
B: This all powerful being that created everything.
A: Oh okay then

Nowadays, we all know the real explaination for how the Sun came to be (gravity, gases, fusion), but still some claim it to be God simply because of the tradition created by some guy a few thousand years ago who used some non-visible being to explain away everything he didn't understand.

The movie was "The Gods Must Be Crazy" and it was Fucking Awesome! It was more of a critique on globalization more than religion however.