Funny analysis of Religion

[ZECH]

Originally posted by Prince
I want to make one point I am not an athiest, I see them just as I see christians.

I cannot prove there is no god, and you cannot prove there is.

therefore, I like to think of myself as agnostic.

It's on our money!! Our country was founded on God!

 

[Jodi]

Originally posted by dg806
It's on our money!! Our country was founded on God!

Lets not start that again! LOL

 

[Dero]

Originally posted by Jodi
Lets not start that again! LOL

Too late!!!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by dg806
It's on our money!! Our country was founded on God!

oh, it must be true then.

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by Prince
oh, it must be true then.

That is how I see it!

 

[ragingbull]

A couple of thoughts on the topic. (Which I can't believe is on the board!!)

1. God didn't create humans as "puppets", he created us as logical beings able to make choices. It would be Gods will that all go to heaven but, He will not make you choose to believe in him. We are different from other species because God made us responsible for all other species. He knew that their had to be one species to rule all others. That's what makes us different.

2. As for "pushy" christians. Honestly they make me sick. Some feel that as christians it's their responsiblity to convert people to christianity. Fact is, as a christian your responsibility is to live as God would, share what your faith mean TO YOU, and let GOD do the work. Often times christians mess up everything by "judging" others.

3. We all believe in a GOD. In some capacity we all believe in a God. The ultimate test is when you go through a horrible time, were do you ultimatly turn. Some turn to God, some turn to work, some turn to a spouse, some to to themselves for support. What ever gives you support and comfort is ultimatly your God.

4. The question as to why Christians believe that their religion is the only religion that will get you to heaven. Because all other "Gods" are still in the grave. Why because they were man. Jesus was the only God that was raised from the tomb, which is substantiated by history. Christ was raised to show that he concored (sp) hell and satan. Those who believe in him will have eternal life.

5. Using religion as a security blanket, "just in case". Make a choice but don't ride the fence on this one. God wants a relationship not a security blanket. I don't see it written anywhere that you go to heaven because you used religion as a security blanket. You either believe in it or you don't.


Finally, these are just some facts on christianity. No one should be judged one way or another because it's a personal choice.

What's cool about the whole thing is you can have a decent dialog about it and see different perspectives. I've learned alot.


Oh, one more thing, "If you would turn in your bibles....."
JUST KIDDING

 

[Tboy]

Originally posted by ragingbull
5. Using religion as a security blanket, "just in case". Make a choice but don't ride the fence on this one. God wants a relationship not a security blanket. I don't see it written anywhere that you go to heaven because you used religion as a security blanket. You either believe in it or you don't.

I agree there. The point I was trying to make to Prince was, If you dont do it for any reason at all, do it just because there is a chance it could happen. I'd rather have him with us accidently on purpose than not at all. (boy is that as clear as mud?)

Originally posted by ragingbull
Oh, one more thing, "If you would turn in your bibles....."
JUST KIDDING

He He He... I had to scroll down, I thought you were fixin to get on da soap box and give us one.


Prince and others.... There are a few things that we'll have to agree to disagree on. I just like a good argument every now and then Diversity: It's what makes the world go round, right?

 

[Dero]

Originally posted by Tboy
Diversity: It's what makes the world go round, right?

YUP,you got that right!!!

And thank gawd...(no pun intended)
Imagine if we were all like you!!!
OMG!!! Nooooooooooooo!!!



all is good!!!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by ragingbull
Jesus was the only God that was raised from the tomb, which is substantiated by history. Christ was raised to show that he concored (sp) hell and satan. Those who believe in him will have eternal life.

sorry, but that is a crock.


"which is substantiated by history"?

What does that really mean? Is history factual? Think deeply about that.


Here is the biggest problem with christians: the bible has great stories that are metaphorical, not to be taken literal. They all have great morals, but christains literalize everything in the bible, that's their mistake.

 

[ragingbull]

Prince,

You say, "Here is the biggest problem with christians: the bible has great stories that are metaphorical, not to be taken literal. They all have great morals, but christains literalize everything in the bible, that's their mistake."

You say this as if you speak for everyone. Fact is you have done very little research of your own about the "stories" in the bible to prove fact or fiction. Let look at the great flood. There has been actual research done that proved that there was a great flood. Substatiated, documeted, fact.

If christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he created the universe....assuming this is true...then tell me why the same god that created the universe could not fulfill every story in the bible.

I'm not on my soap box, it just frustrates me when I see comments about any group of people, religious or ethnic, that comes out of persoanl belief and not fact. For christians the bible is literal, if you want to prove the bible is anything than that, then prove it. Don't just insinuate that all christian are making a "mistake", by have the belief system that they do.

 

[irontime]

Ah boy, here we go again
Well raging bull I for one have done research, and if you have done some then some of the things that have taken place in Chrisitianity would make you sick. I have already mentioned some of the instances and do not feel the need to repeat them, but here's one that the ladies should like, it was written in Solomon I believe.

'And husbands, do not bully your wife if she does not listen, simply scold her as you would a child. If she still does not listen then take up the rod and beat her until she concedes, for it is better to beat the body then to surrender the soul.'

So how literally do you take the bible? Do you beat the shit out of your wife when you have an arguement?

 

[irontime]

Not trying to flame you here, just making a point.

 

[tidalwaverus]

Originally posted by irontime
but here's one that the ladies should like, it was written in Solomon I believe.

'And husbands, do not bully your wife if she does not listen, simply scold her as you would a child. If she still does not listen then take up the rod and beat her until she concedes, for it is better to beat the body then to surrender the soul.'

So how literally do you take the bible? Do you beat the shit out of your wife when you have an arguement?

Really your research sucks which screwed up version of the bible did you find that in? and where?

This why their is so many religions. they twist the bible to fit their view. Beat their wife(or wifes) sleep with children etc. etc.

You want to know GOD read his book (The whole thing)

NASB 1 corinthians 15 ver 20-32

LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE

Read it for yourself

believe what you want just don't miss quote the bible


War has always been about religion and still is to this day

 

[ALBOB]

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
War has always been about religion and still is to this day

Thankfully we're starting to change that..............now it's about oil.

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by ALBOB
Thankfully we're starting to change that..............now it's about oil.

I really shouldn`t be,...but I`m ROTFLMAO

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by irontime
Ah boy, here we go again
Well raging bull I for one have done research, and if you have done some then some of the things that have taken place in Chrisitianity would make you sick. I have already mentioned some of the instances and do not feel the need to repeat them, but here's one that the ladies should like, it was written in Solomon I believe.

'And husbands, do not bully your wife if she does not listen, simply scold her as you would a child. If she still does not listen then take up the rod and beat her until she concedes, for it is better to beat the body then to surrender the soul.'

So how literally do you take the bible? Do you beat the shit out of your wife when you have an arguement?

IT, that was old testament...........we don't live under the law anymore more!

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by ALBOB
Thankfully we're starting to change that..............now it's about oil.

And money!

 

[tidalwaverus]

So which one is the Infidels this time?

 

[craig777]

Hey IT, although that sounds like a very good verse. I searched and searched for it and I couldn't find anything even remotely like it. Could you find it for me, I want to use it.

 

[ALBOB]

Originally posted by craig777 I want to use it.

What's the closest hospital to your house, I want to know where to send your "Get Well" card.

 

[craig777]

Oh, and I disagree with war always being about religion. Do you have any idea how many wars have been fought over women The trojan wars which lasted many many years were all over Helen. She must have been one heck of a good looking lady.

 

[craig777]

Originally posted by ALBOB
What's the closest hospital to your house, I want to know where to send your "Get Well" card.

You got that right

 

[ragingbull]

IT, do a little more research into the word "Rod" that was used during that specific timeperiod and you will find that it is not a stick, bat, golf club, or any other device that you would literally beat the crap out of someone with. The word "Rod" is translated into taking control of a situation and using discipline, much like we do in BB and fitness. Discipline takes on many different forms in many homes. Ultimatly in every household there has to be one person who makes a final decision. In many homes the husband, with counsel of his wife or signifant other, will make the final decision. My point is that the word "Rod" doesn't mean stick, it mean discipline.

Another scripture that uses "Rod" is "spare the Rod and lose the child". I think we've all heard this one. Again, this refers to the fact that you should never lack discipline with a child or they will go wild. Again, I think we can all agree on this one.

Many times, when translantions take place, say from Greek to King James to NIV, it' s difficult to find the exact word that the Original Greek had intended.

IT, you make good points and keep it up.

 

[Arnold]

First of all the bible has been translated so many times and in those translations lost it's original meaning, that is fact!

Secondly, I do not have to prove that stories in a book are not true, prove that they are true, which you can't. Science disputes just about everything in the bible, it does not support it.

I am not intending to insult christians, but the majority of them (not all) believe that they and their religeon is righteous.

As far as what christians have done in the past? How about killing so called witches in Salem, read up on that and you will be sickened. Go type in "witch hunts" in google.com and start reading.

As far as research, I have taken upper division college classes in philosophy, sociology and religeon, so I do not speak out of ignorance here.

What are your credentials aside of going to church and reading the bible, which are biased. Do you have any "objective" education in religeon?

 

[ragingbull]

Prince,

I will agree with you on one point, when you say.

"I am not intending to insult christians, but the majority of them (not all) believe that they and their religeon is righteous"

This is one thing that makes me mad about christians. Just like anything in life, there are extremist. It seem that many of them overshadow those of us who are just trying to get by day to day and be a good friend to those who need one.

Prince, I'm not trying to change your mind, just giving my side of the issue. I'm also not saying that you haven't done research. There are Theologians who study this stuff on a constant basis and still can't agree. Who's to say I'm right and your wrong. This is just a choice that I have logically made for myself and choose to believe in. You've made a different choice than me, doesn't mean your good or bad, just that we made different choices.

One thing I know for sure we can agree to disagree.


PS. About the witch thing, remember, there are extremist in every circle of life. It only takes a few to make us all look bad.

 

[mmafiter]

I'm glad to see everyone is remaining adult about ths discussion. It's refreshing! I think we should ALL remember that no one is going to convince someone to believe or not believe in God here. We are having a great debate, and it's eye opening and interesting nature shouldn't be lost to anger or insults.

 

[Arnold]

it's also important to remember that no one knows if there is or is not a god, there are those that have faith, those that do not, and those like me that just sit in the middle.

 

[mmafiter]

Originally posted by ragingbull
Prince,

You say this as if you speak for everyone. Fact is you have done very little research of your own about the "stories" in the bible to prove fact or fiction. Let look at the great flood. There has been actual research done that proved that there was a great flood. Substatiated, documeted, fact.

I've seen documentaries on this subject and similar ones. And the conclusion was that there WAS a flood, not in worldwide proportions, but on a grand scale.

So here's my question. Isn't it possible that the bible is a collection of stories/legends passed down from generation to generation? Let's look at the flood episode. The people in those times couldn't hop in a car a go a few hundred miles on a whim, so when you have a flood that wipes out a small continent say, wouldn't that seem like the whole world to these people?

And wouldn't those stories evolve and change over time, taking on epic scale? Much like the game where you say a sentence to one guy in a circle and by the time it gets back to you, you have no idea what the hell happened! Isn't the new testament a revision of the bible? How can the laws change?

It just seems that the bible is a collection of stories with grains of truth, and was meant to be used as a learning tool and moral compass.

 

[ragingbull]

MMAFITER,

Bro, this is all your fault. You are soley responsible for this classic debate. I think it's pretty cool!!

To your point, I don't think any of us could deny what you have stated. There is a possibility that the flood was a great flood that covered alot of space and not global flooding.

But when you say, "It just seems that the bible is a collection of stories with grains of truth, and was meant to be used as a learning tool and moral compass." For me personally, the bible more than a moral compass, but, more of a way of life. I choose to wake up every day and believe that Christ died for my sin, I except that, and will have eternal life.

To our point also, I do believe that if society would look at the bible as a moral compass, we would have much less problems with our society. I say this because, one of the main points in the New Testiment is "love your neighbor as your self." If we all looked at life through those glasses, I think we would all behave a little differently.

 

[ragingbull]

Prince,

I feel that we all have faith in something. Some put it in themselves, friends, society, or God. I think it's human nature to have faith in something, otherwise what is the point of life.

This is just my belief but, I feel that the reason we have suicide is because people choose to put their belief in something or someone and was let down. They had emptiness in their life so they choose not to live.