Funny analysis of Religion

[Arnold]

I do not think that education = intelligence, nor that education = wisdom.

I know plenty of intelligent people that have no college education, and I also knew plenty of people that graduated with a Bachelor's that in my opinion did not deserve it. As far as wisdom is concerned that comes with age IMO.

You get what you put in with education. You can put very little in and still get a Bachelors degree. Or, you can be someone like me who put in 110% and got a lot out of college. I used to carry a dictionary in my school backpack and if a professor used a word I did not know I looked it up in class! (I know, what a nerd) I did my very best to attend every class/lecture because I enjoyed learning, I also graduated with a shit load of credits because I changed my major, my emphasis in undergrad was sociology, psychology, philosophy and business.

I am now working on master's in business management, and had I not done well as a undergrad I would have had a hard time getting into my current school and master's program.

If someone has a PhD from a reputable school, it means quite a bit as far as their intelligence, and knowledge in their field is concerned. And they do deserve a certain amount of respect for their credentials. To discount that or say any asshole can get one is an ignorant statement.

 

[Tboy]

A guy with a PHD is likened to a TV evangelist. If youve seen one youve seen them all. They must all be the same.

Boy, this is fun...

 

[cornfed]

granted it was rough, but it was more for emphasis than a statement of percieved fact. And I did state that I respect it. But as far as knowledge in a field is concerned, it based on what they are taught to a gr8 degree. However, I guess my main thing is that you can be completely knowledgable about a chool of thought and that does not make the school of thought right. Does that make any sense? I guess it's like this... (enter another of my bad analogies) ... a chemist who has spent decades in the field and is revered for his prowess that still firmly holds to his beliefs and convictions for the laws and theories that he bases his life's work upon along w/ the majority of his collegues (my spelling sux today). What happens if (as projected) absolute zero is proven not to be the lowest possible temperature and all of the gas laws that elementary chemistry is based upon are debunked? Is he still right? just a thought to ponder

 

[cornfed]

c'mon now let's hold back the sarcasm and keep it nice shall we

 

[ragingbull]

My take on higher education is this: No matter what your level of degree, you have to be open to objective learning. What I find in the medical field is that some, not all, physicians feel that because they have an MD after their name, they know better. Fact is, MD's know a little about alot of different disease states but, chances are, since I specialize in one particular disease, I know more than they. It's what I do, it's what I learn, It's what I sell. For a MD to look at me and discredit what I say because "your not qualified", is offense. I never say they have to believe everything I say, all I ask is that they look at the information I provide through objective lenses and decide for themselves.

Example:
Physician knowledge of Cyclosporins (Gereralized information)
1. Physician think there is only 1 modifed cyclo, there are six
2. Physician don't know pharmacodynamic and kenetics of all six, I do
3. They don't understand reimbursement. I do.
4. They don't understand the research of all six, I do.

My point is, just because I don't have an MD doesn't mean I can't offer some value to their practice. Likewise just because they are an MD doesn't mean they know everything there is to know. We all can learn from each other if we are open to learning. Tear down our biases and look at the info objectively.

 

[tidalwaverus]

Your right cornfed I just hate to see people misquote God and the bible.

You want to know God, read his book NASV is easy to read and a very good and accurate translations.You don't party on

Peace to all

 

[cornfed]

Originally posted by ragingbull
My take on higher education is this: No matter what your level of degree, you have to be open to objective learning. What I find in the medical field is that some, not all, physicians feel that because they have an MD after their name, they know better. Fact is, MD's know a little about alot of different disease states but, chances are, since I specialize in one particular disease, I know more than they. It's what I do, it's what I learn, It's what I sell. For a MD to look at me and discredit what I say because "your not qualified", is offense. I never say they have to believe everything I say, all I ask is that they look at the information I provide through objective lenses and decide for themselves.

Example:
Physician knowledge of Cyclosporins (Gereralized information)
1. Physician think there is only 1 modifed cyclo, there are six
2. Physician don't know pharmacodynamic and kenetics of all six, I do
3. They don't understand reimbursement. I do.
4. They don't understand the research of all six, I do.

My point is, just because I don't have an MD doesn't mean I can't offer some value to their practice. Likewise just because they are an MD doesn't mean they know everything there is to know. We all can learn from each other if we are open to learning. Tear down our biases and look at the info objectively.

Agreed but don't lump all MD's together. Specialization is more a cornerstone of many fields.

 

[ragingbull]

I agree Cornfed.

 

[Arnold]

I know more about computers, databases and networks than any MD, so what?

An MD is an expert in their field, medicine. Does that mean they know everything, hell no. That's why there are so many specialites, it would be impossible for one MD to be an expert in every field of medicine.

 

[Tboy]

Originally posted by cornfed
c'mon now let's hold back the sarcasm and keep it nice shall we

That was being nice. You shouldve seen what I really meant to say.

I was making lite of his stereotypical generalizations about Christians being like the TV money grabbers.

 

[ragingbull]

Prince,

I was gathering from your post on higher education, that educated people deserve a greater amount of respect because of their years of education. My point is that some educated people are close minded and very subjective. Maybe they deserve a greater amount of respect...could be. My point is look at all the evidence provided and decide on the truth. I'm saying the truth, not my truth or your truth but, the truth. When it comes to the bible, most can be confirmed through archeological finds others through non-religious writings. I know your stance is that it's not your job to prove christianity is a farce but, our position to prove it as credible. Think about it this way; we have had 2000 years of time to prove the bible as ficticious. Neither by ancient writings, nor archeology can we find even one instance where there is a substantial compromise in the bible and infact on numerous occasions the bible is proven as correct. Never...Never... has the bible been proved wrong either in the writings nor archeology and we've spent 2000 years gathering information. Think about that. As a ancient document, there is none that can compare to the accuracy of the bible.

If you want specifics, give me specifics, I'll do the research and get back with you.

 

[coleman]

Originally posted by Prince
As far as wisdom is concerned that comes with age IMO.

Most arrogant statement ever:

Prince, I am 18 and I think that you'd be of the opinion I'm wiser than some of the much older religious folk out there.

But seriously, although I don't agree with what some members here are saying about God, at least some of them can be given credit for at least knowing about their religion. Nothing gets on my nerve more than blind faith.

As they are so knowlegable, I was wondering if one of them would be so kind as to quote me a modern day example of devine intervention. Why did God help the Jews of Moses' time but not in the time of the Holocaust? What changed? God no longer wants to help out his people, surely more died in the Holocaust than in the time of the Pharohs.

Also, just a small aside question. One of what I think to be the most strong examples of how the Bible is used to explain what ignorant people a few thousand years ago didn't understand is the story of Noah's Ark. Is it not true that at the end of the story it was said that the sign of God's promise to not create a second such flood was that of the rainbow? Most people who did seconday school will know that the rainbow is caused by the refraction of the visible light wavelength through the prisms of raindrops. Is this not some sort of proof that the Bible is used to explain what people did not know and that some magical all powerful being was behind it rather than some other, logical explaination?

 

[ZECH]

Prince, just one question. Why do most people that have a Masters or PHD, think they are better than everone else? Is it because they think they are smarter or because they know they have the money to get it?

 

[ragingbull]

Genesis 9: 16-17

"Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth" 17 So God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on earth"

So you can see the rainbow is just the reminder of the covenant with God and man. God didn't just make a rainbow after the event.

As why people in modern times act in hidious ways i.e. Hitler. God is the ultimate gentleman. He will not make you except him nor will he make you act on his behalf. Hitler acted out of his human nature. Human nature, left to itself, is destructive. Take God out of the equasion and mankind would destroy itself. Germany was a microcausim of this. In the old testiment the world only had the miracles that proved the power of God. (This next part is a little deep). When Christ was nail to the cross, God sent his spirit to be with man. Not to say that miracles do not happen today, but, christian believe they have the holy spirit with them daily. It's like having direct access to God.

 

[tidalwaverus]

Very good RB,

md's phd's read Romans:1,22

"Professing to be wise ,they became fools"

more to it read 18-27

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by coleman
Most arrogant statement ever:

Prince, I am 18 and I think that you'd be of the opinion I'm wiser than some of the much older religious folk out there.

I guess we're defining wisdom differently. In this context I am defining wisdom as knowledge that is obtained thru age. I guess you could say I am using an "older" definition of the word.

regardless of my higher education I do not think that i will ever be wiser than my elders.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by dg806
Prince, just one question. Why do most people that have a Masters or PHD, think they are better than everone else? Is it because they think they are smarter or because they know they have the money to get it?

that is a generalization, you cannot say everyone that has a master's or PhD thinks that they're better or smarter than others.

Maybe some do, but I do not think the majority think this way.

anyone can go to college with federal student loans, you do not need money.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by ragingbull
My point is that some educated people are close minded and very subjective. Maybe they deserve a greater amount of respect...could be.

hmmm....that is how I see christians, closed minded and they fail to see things with objectivity, but I guess anyone can be this way, educated or not, religeous or not.

I like to think that I am open minded and objective, although I admit I am very opinionated. But I am open to new ideas and I try to see things without bias.

 

[cornfed]

Originally posted by coleman
Most arrogant statement ever:

I am 18 and I think that you'd be of the opinion I'm wiser than some of the much older religious folk out there.

If it's any consolation, I agree w/ the preface, but not the latter.

and as for wisdom... IMO the best use of this word is descernment, many times a result of the combination of knowledge about the issue or subject and either the experience or the ability to understand the subject from a non-academic point of view, as ethics and moral grounding are not academic in nature.

 

[cornfed]

Originally posted by Prince
hmmm....that is how I see christians, closed minded and they fail to see things with objectivity, but I guess anyone can be this way, educated or not, religeous or not.

I like to think that I am open minded and objective, although I admit I am very opinionated. But I am open to new ideas and I try to see things without bias.

Well, I guess I see myself in much the same manner... am I really agreeing LOL


and I'M NOT closed minded, and I don't care what any of you think about it... BECAUSE I'M RIGHT!!!

 

[Arnold]

Just an example: I have been drinking dairy milk my entire life but I am now thinking that maybe it's not very healthy and I have added soy milk to my diet, and I am going to try and switch completely to soy milk.

we'll see....

 

[ragingbull]

Originally posted by Prince
that is a generalization, you cannot say everyone that has a master's or PhD thinks that they're better or smarter than others.

Maybe some do, but I do not think the majority think this way.

anyone can go to college with federal student loans, you do not need money.

Agreed, I was using a generalized statement. But wouldn't you agree that someone with a higher degree of education on a specific topic would hold themselves in a higher place than someone without that formal education (on that topic). My point was even someone without that specific education could bring some value to the eduated.

As far as wisdom coming from age....That only applies to the everday effects of life and how there interact with one another. If you never educate yourself on specific topics, all the life experience will never help.

 

[cornfed]

But cows are good

actually, I'm theorizing w/ a food science prof right now about how to leach milk of lactose w/o altering the rest of the milk and then substituting w/ aspartame or sucralose. on a side note, I have a Cornfed's recipe for a milk substitute that has moderate fat.

 

[ragingbull]

200th Post. Just wanted to make sure that I left it here. I enjoy this debate. This is still MMFITER'S fault!!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by ragingbull
But wouldn't you agree that someone with a higher degree of education on a specific topic would hold themselves in a higher place than someone without that formal education (on that topic). My point was even someone without that specific education could bring some value to the eduated.

yes to the first part of the question in most cases.

and yes to the second.

If you have 20 years experience in a specific field than I think you will have in depth knowledge of that subject.

Here's a real life example: My father had over 20 years in the fire department, 10 years as a training officer. He was accredited to teach Fire Science at the university level based on experience, he had no formal degree.

 

[tidalwaverus]

Originally posted by Prince
yes to the first part of the question in most cases.

and yes to the second.

If you have 20 years experience in a specific field than I think you will have in depth knowledge of that subject.

Here's a real life example: My father had over 20 years in the fire department, 10 years as a training officer. He was accredited to teach Fire Science at the university level based on experience, he had no formal degree.

Prince Ya me too,

But you are on a suject you reallly have not studied?

Do you seriously you want to debate the end of the book?

I wonder if you have ever read Rev.? much less the whole thing.
A like a lot o people think they know but do they really?

Example :Noah, everybody knows the story right? I proved you didn't.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
Example :Noah, everybody knows the story right? I proved you didn't.

huh?

lost me on that one.

I am familiar with the story of Noah's Ark, is that what you're referring to?

 

[ragingbull]

Tidalwave,

Coleman was actually the one who had the question in regard to Noah's ark.

 

[Arnold]

damn, tidalwaverus!

get your crap straight!

 

[Freeman]