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Tatyana
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And cardio.
'Herbal' fat burners
Caffeine
Green Tea
Sida Cordifolia (ephedra like alkaloids)
I find herbal fat burners work on me, like San Tight, Animal Cuts. My coach has told me they will work as long as long as people have not taken too many drugs, AAS or recreational. Whether or not this is true........................
Pharma fat burners
Clenbuterol
T3
Ephedrine
'Herbal' fat burners
Caffeine
Green Tea
Sida Cordifolia (ephedra like alkaloids)
I find herbal fat burners work on me, like San Tight, Animal Cuts. My coach has told me they will work as long as long as people have not taken too many drugs, AAS or recreational. Whether or not this is true........................
Pharma fat burners
Clenbuterol
T3
Ephedrine
Theres this new thing, very few people know about and and of those who do, even fewer are brave enough to try and stick with it... Dont say it too loud, coz its kind of a secret...
DIET!
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DIET!
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Tatyana, I am assuming that hes just a beginner so I guess he'll see results by just altering his diet & once he has perfected his diet & training then fat burners & stuff would be useful.
esp. for things such as ephedrine, t3 and clen! Good to study investigate and research, but not to use or consume at this point imho!
JimSnow
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I'd go with VIGOROUS AND REGULAR EXERCISE, then DIET. ? In the end, they become equally important. But, exercise makes the largest impact in overall health, "well-being" and appearance. Thus, you begin a "lifestyle" alteration.
I respectfuly disagree.
No matter how much one trains, does cardio or with how much "vigor", or even how much stimulants, fat burners, supplements or AAS one uses, diet is 95% of this game.
Try putting diet second in a contest prep and see the results!!!
Diet really is key. Once thats set N proper, everyhting else falls into place...
I have always put diet/nutrition above exercise in terms of weight loss, you can exercise all you want but if your diet is shit you will not see much improvement, whereas if you have an excellent diet and don't wokout, you will still see results.
Start with what you can control and the rest will fall into place eventually. Diet was the hardest part for me, so I just started lifting and saw decent results. The more I get my diet in order, the better the results I see. Don't think by doing exerscise only you won't see results, but it's obvious that in order to reach your ultimate goal you are going to have to clean up the diet.
JimSnow
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This quote most emulates my situation at present. I've been working out 7-8 months. I've seen great results. But beforehand, I knew I'd have to make radical diet changes to make the most of my effort. Now, that I've reached my first plateau... I'm refining. I have to in order to continue those gains with respect to changing my program. So, you are right.
I just think focusing on the diet, or supplements, first... may send the wrong message to newbie enthusiasts. You need some experience before you can refine your dietary needs. The most important thing is to become immersed in new things that are happening in your body.
Respectfully.
Supplements I agree... Aside form a good quality multi, a recreational lifter needs little more...If his/her diet provides the necessary nutrients.
That said, EVERYONE has diet experience....Uve been eating all your life, so sure, after months of training, setting specific or different goals, hitting plateaus, one can adjust... "Refining" ure diet should be at the top of the list for anyone who actually has goals or aspirations for their bodies... Say ure overweight or too thin, obviously Uve been maintaining dietary habits that have led to such a physical shape.
Unfortunately for the many who are out of shape, this is the hardest part. When you have people like yourself that have great will power this is much easier said than done. Going "cold turkey" so to speak can be very overwhelming, and rather than shove that down peoples throats why not ease them into it? This is one of the main reasons IMO fat people who lose alot of weight, gain it right back. They focus on the diet and don't supplement it with the proper training. Why not flip that around, build the LBM that's going to help you expend more calories in the long run and in turn make the diet all that much more effective?
When you are a newbie to training (as all of you are fully aware) you see results like crazy, this is the type of positive reinforcement someone who has struggled with weight their whole lives needs. Not someone telling them it's a waste of time if they don't get their diet in order, and I see that all too often in this forum. Most new people who come here for advice aren't trying to get in contest shape, they are just trying to get in better shape. I consider myself a fairly strong willed person, but that would be an immidiate turn off to me... Just my two cents.
JimSnow
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Nicely said.
Working out showed me that I could change my body rapidy and well. Then, came the natural question, "How can I improve my diet to facilitate my need to further improve?"
The horse pulls the cart.
I understand ure point...both of u.
But I still have to disagree...U said it, most overweight people struggle all their lives with yoyo dieting and gain the weight back. Catch is, even if they train with weights fiercly, do 2 hours cardio a day then come back home to their old eating habits of shoving 3 McD's meals down their throat daily....theyre still gonna go thru the same struggle, with the same results.
I train various people with varied needs and INSIST they incorporate some form of cardio vascular AND weight training into their lifestyle and behavioural modification.... Dont get me wrong, Im not saying one should only focus solely on diet. Training is not only good for the body, its good for the soul, it often creates a sense of pride and accomplishment in these "newbies" and provides numerous health benefits. Were all on the same wavelenght here.
But this thread was titled getting ripped...And asked about getting completely shredded...the key to this is...yes, u guessed it, diet!
And lets be real, who really wants to change their body and life will...Sure its hard, sure ure bound to fall off the wagon at times...Getting back on, now this is what draws the line between the men(and women) and children... Those who dont want it, simply wont, no matter how educated and guided they are. If it were easy, simple everyone would look fantastic!
food for thought!
But I still have to disagree...U said it, most overweight people struggle all their lives with yoyo dieting and gain the weight back. Catch is, even if they train with weights fiercly, do 2 hours cardio a day then come back home to their old eating habits of shoving 3 McD's meals down their throat daily....theyre still gonna go thru the same struggle, with the same results.
I train various people with varied needs and INSIST they incorporate some form of cardio vascular AND weight training into their lifestyle and behavioural modification.... Dont get me wrong, Im not saying one should only focus solely on diet. Training is not only good for the body, its good for the soul, it often creates a sense of pride and accomplishment in these "newbies" and provides numerous health benefits. Were all on the same wavelenght here.
But this thread was titled getting ripped...And asked about getting completely shredded...the key to this is...yes, u guessed it, diet!
And lets be real, who really wants to change their body and life will...Sure its hard, sure ure bound to fall off the wagon at times...Getting back on, now this is what draws the line between the men(and women) and children... Those who dont want it, simply wont, no matter how educated and guided they are. If it were easy, simple everyone would look fantastic!
food for thought!
Absolutely, and I agree, eventually diet will have to be refined. Of course we're get pretty extreme there with the 3 meals a day at McDonalds. I guess what I'm refering to more is when a "newb" posts a diet with great macros that is 5000% better than what they were eating previously and 20 different people chime in "that's a horrible diet!! you need 2 more servings of veggies, and the aspartame is going to kill you!!" Like the 8 big macs a week weren't?? Hehe, I guess that's really a topic for another thread.
..."newb" posts a diet with great macros that is 5000% better than what they were eating previously and 20 different people chime in "that's a horrible diet!! you need 2 more servings of veggies, and the aspartame is going to kill you!!" Like the 8 big macs a week weren't?? Hehe, I guess that's really a topic for another thread.
LOLOLOLOL
This is obviously a dispute being carried out with less and less regard to the original requisit. Diet is a word that probably shouldn't even be used in my opinion. When most people refer to a diet, "going on a diet" and so on, it's meant as a temporary solution to a neverending challenge. Which is why diets always fail. I know that's not how you guys are using the term diet but I just thought I'd throw that out there. It's not a good thing to advise on a "newb".
No matter what the person is like at the start, the nutritional intake needs to improve, doesn't need to be perfect, just needs to improve. If you're eating 8 big macs a day then cutting back to 2 and eating a couple salads is an improvement... even though they're still eating big macs. The only way to EVER make a successful and long lasting transition into proper nutrition is to do it gradually. Exercise is going to be gradual no matter what because your abilities will only allow you to do so much, and it will get better from there.
This all together, the gradual and steady increase in physical training discipline, along with the gradual and steady improvement in nutrition will not only show good results, but motivation won't be so hard to keep a grasp on because you're not just jumping straight into the frying pan.
Final word block. To get ripped, no matter where you're at with exercise and no matter where you're at with your eating habits, work to improve them both at a pace you can handle and whatever you do, don't lose sight of your goals, they're your number one motivator.
No matter what the person is like at the start, the nutritional intake needs to improve, doesn't need to be perfect, just needs to improve. If you're eating 8 big macs a day then cutting back to 2 and eating a couple salads is an improvement... even though they're still eating big macs. The only way to EVER make a successful and long lasting transition into proper nutrition is to do it gradually. Exercise is going to be gradual no matter what because your abilities will only allow you to do so much, and it will get better from there.
This all together, the gradual and steady increase in physical training discipline, along with the gradual and steady improvement in nutrition will not only show good results, but motivation won't be so hard to keep a grasp on because you're not just jumping straight into the frying pan.
Final word block. To get ripped, no matter where you're at with exercise and no matter where you're at with your eating habits, work to improve them both at a pace you can handle and whatever you do, don't lose sight of your goals, they're your number one motivator.
Agreed 100%
